There are reports that Brent Barry is getting bought out from his recent trade... I'm not sure what his injury status and interest in salary are... but is he worth taking a look at?

I know we just pick up Dixon, but Barry is a proven playoff deadly 3 point shooter. He would be worth cutting if Joe could wheel something together.

Brent Barry could definitely help the Pistons.

The Spurs are getting him back.

He would be a nice addition to our bench. Wouldn't that push us into luxury tax territory though?

Brent Barry could definitely help the Pistons.

I would be strongly in favor of us picking him up.

The Spurs are getting him back.

He would be a nice addition to our bench. Wouldn't that push us into luxury tax territory though?


Man, the Spurs are looking tough. This is probably the most excited I have been to actually watch all of the Western Conference playoff matchups. The first round is going to be awesome.

I have also heard reports that the Phoenix suns have a chance of getting him. So if he is interested in joining another team, I hope Joe D at least puts us into the running, it'd be hard to pass up on talent like that in a position that we could use.

The big question is salary - how much he wants and if we go over. And of course, if he wants to sit behind Rip Hamilton for 35 minutes a game, share limited time with Afflalo, just to shoot threes. Might not be his best option, but worth a try.

Roscoe, what's the deal on the salary cap threshold?

Aren't we just under right now?

It is my understanding that we have room to sign someone like Davis for the minimal amount, but that we are completely unwilling to go over the line and sacrifice the luxury tax rebate.

Brent Barry would surely command twice as much as a Davis, right?

Roscoe, what's the deal on the salary cap threshold?

Aren't we just under right now?

It is my understanding that we have room to sign someone like Davis for the minimal amount, but that we are completely unwilling to go over the line and sacrifice the luxury tax rebate.

Brent Barry would surely command twice as much as a Davis, right?


Even if you are over the cap you can sign guys to the minimum. Do we have part of the MLE still, or do we lose that?

The big question is salary - how much he wants and if we go over. And of course, if he wants to sit behind Rip Hamilton for 35 minutes a game, share limited time with Afflalo, just to shoot threes. Might not be his best option, but worth a try.

It sounds like the Spurs have a deal to just sign him back.

If Barry did come to the Pistons, I'm sure they would find him the same 18 minutes he is getting in San Antonio. Afflalo would be squeezed out of the lineup and I'm sure he could help out at SF some, as well.

Even if you are over the cap you can sign guys to the minimum. Do we have part of the MLE still, or do we lose that?

Oh. That must have been negotiated in by the players union for the benefit of guys like Dale Davis. Otherwise they'd be effectively frozen out of the league b/c no teams would budget for that.

Oh. That must have been negotiated in by the players union for the benefit of guys like Dale Davis. Otherwise they'd be effectively frozen out of the league b/c no teams would budget for that.
MINIMUM PLAYER SALARY EXCEPTION -- Teams can offer players minimum salary contracts even if they are over the cap. Contracts can be up to two years in length. For two year contracts, the second season salary is the minimum salary for that season. The contract may not contain a signing bonus. This exception also allows minimum salary players to be acquired via trade. There is no limit to the number of players that can be signed or acquired using this exception.

This exception begins to reduce in value after the first day of the season. For example, if there are 180 days in the season, then this exception reduces in value by 1/180 of its initial value each day. If a team signs a minimum salary player 90 days into the season, it can pay the player only half the minimum salary.

see #19

NBA Salary Cap FAQ (http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm)

You can always sign players to the min, that is a cap exception.

I'm not sure the Spurs can re-sign Barry.

http://www.pistonsforum.com/nba-stuff/791-lm-coons-nba-salary-cap-faq-updated-2005-cba.html#post10953

Traded Players who are waived by their new team cannot be re-signed by the team that traded them until 30 days during the season or 20 days in the offseason has passed. We'll call this one the "Joe Dumars Rule".
So it's all contingent on the last day that a player can join a roster and be eligible for the playoffs.

Even though you can do it, does it still allow you to get the luxury tax distribution?

Even though you can do it, does it still allow you to get the luxury tax distribution?

it's all explained in that link.

And if it gets you a ring, who cares about that for ONE SEASON.

It's not like the roughly 6 mill gets magically added to your cap or something...

Would you rather be the titleless 07' pistons 500k under the luxury tax limit, or the 07' world champion spurs just over the limit?

Even though you can do it, does it still allow you to get the luxury tax distribution?
When you "cap out", you are restricted in how much you can spend to sign players. But signing players using any of these so-called exceptions still adds to your aggregate payroll.

So if you are over the lux. tax threshold, you are eligible for a smaller share. If you are under, you are entitled to a greater share.

I need to overhaul the #s, but I've been busy today. Suffice it to say, I'm pretty sure the Pistons will be under the tax # by a few million.

it's all explained in that link.

And if it gets you a ring, who cares about that for ONE SEASON.

It's not like the roughly 6 mill gets magically added to your cap or something...

Would you rather be the titleless 07' pistons 500k under the luxury tax limit, or the 07' world champion spurs just over the limit?
Well, it could cost you between $4 and $6 million in redistributed tax monies, so if you are over, not only did you pay dollar for dollar tax, you also miss out on a nice chunk of the rebate.

Is winning a title worth giving up (potentially) $7 million? For a privately owned team of modest means like the Spurs, probably not.

The only reason that I care is because I'm trying to assess the likelihood of it happening. To add a 3-point shooting specialist like Barry, Joe and Davidson probably won't make a $6M gamble. If the rule allows them to do it and it only costs the amount that they pay him, then I could see them going for it.

The only problem with that would be that we couldn't add a big man to the mix... unless we also bought someone else... like Dixon. That's a lot of buying out and wasted money for not much return.

When you "cap out", you are restricted in how much you can spend to sign players. But signing players using any of these so-called exceptions still adds to your aggregate payroll.

So if you are over the lux. tax threshold, you are eligible for a smaller share. If you are under, you are entitled to a greater share.

I need to overhaul the #s, but I've been busy today. Suffice it to say, I'm pretty sure the Pistons will be under the tax # by a few million.

i agree that most of the time you should be under, but if you need to go over for a year or two it's not the end of the world.

Well, it could cost you between $4 and $6 million in redistributed tax monies, so if you are over, not only did you pay dollar for dollar tax, you also miss out on a nice chunk of the rebate.

Is winning a title worth giving up (potentially) $7 million? For a privately owned team of modest means like the Spurs, probably not.

yeah, it's 7 mill, have Bon Jovi play 1 more night and sell a few more mullet wigs.

Not a big deal if you are talking about isolated situations and you don't make it a habit.

We need to get the Finley's, Posey's, Barry's, Kurt Thomas', and not the guys we've been getting.


I believe the trade machine on ESPN lists the payroll if you don't want to do it long hand.



Pistons Payroll: $67,063,085 Cap Room: $-11,433,085


With Dixon included...

$67.865 million appears to be the magic # for this season.

Maybe they could do a Bon Jovi concert/ Pistons game and charge twice as much. The band could play during timeouts, free throws, and halftime.

Maybe they could do a Bon Jovi concert/ Pistons game and charge twice as much. The band could play during timeouts, free throws, and halftime.

I'm sure there is already some sort of handshake-wink-wink-under-the-table deal already in the works, especially with the Bon Jovi banner rising to the rafters of the Palace last week.

Don't forget introductions.
Chauncey used to work for the Pups
With our coach – not bright
But it ain't right if it's not rough...
Rip'll run the curl all day
Picking off his man, then he sinks the J:
Two-love...

Sheed's not going to hold on to what he's got
He's gonna get T'd up
If you like it or not...

Woah, oh
We're half way there
Woah, oh
Living on a prayer
We've got Flip Saunders
So we'll make it I swear
Woah, oh
Living on a prayer


Very fitting indeed.

You guys are so lame. And I like it.

So it's all contingent on the last day that a player can join a roster and be eligible for the playoffs.What is that date this year?

Apparently it is March 1. That is the date he must be waived by. So not exactly as I thought it was.

NBA Salary Cap FAQ (http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#97)


:)

This thread was created to blow up my mind!!!!!!
If the Spurs didnt want this man from the breeding ground of losers, what would make you think we'd want him?

This thread was created to blow up my mind!!!!!!
If the Spurs didnt want this man from the breeding ground of losers, what would make you think we'd want him?

Because they do want him and they are going to get him back and win the Championship with his last second shot when Sheed screws up.

This thread was created to blow up my mind!!!!!!
If the Spurs didnt want this man from the breeding ground of losers, what would make you think we'd want him?
The Spurs needed a big man and Barry's contract fit. I don't think they "wanted" to get rid of him. In fact, I'm almost positive they didn't in any way want to get rid of him. He's a truly phenomenal shooter and a very good passer, even if he's soft and doesn't play defense. That places him one step above Jarvis Hayes in my book.

Still, he'd probably have more value in San Antonio than here.

Because they do want him and they are going to get him back and win the Championship with his last second shot when Sheed screws up.
:pound:great one...

he still has 29 days to sit out and heal what ails him and come back to the Spurs...he just have to keep his mouth:tape:

He sure would look good wearing #9 or #5 for us!!!

This whole Barry thing was just a traveshamockery, right? They pretended like they didn't have a pre-arranged deal in place and then he pretended to weigh his options, etc. Now he goes right back to the Spurs.

Am I misunderstanding it?

This whole Barry thing was just a traveshamockery, right? They pretended like they didn't have a pre-arranged deal in place and then he pretended to weigh his options, etc. Now he goes right back to the Spurs.

Am I misunderstanding it?


Nope, you got it correct.....for once.... :pound::pound::pound::pound::pound:

Nope, you got it correct.....for once.... :pound::pound::pound::pound::pound:

Finally! Now I can talk to you guys on the same level.