GAME 1: ROYALS 5, TIGERS 4, 11 innings

PENTHOUSE:
- Renteria's first hit was perfect placed single up the middle made it 1-0.
- Cabrera looks like Albert Belle. Nice line drive HR to left field.
- Verlander was filthy for 5 innings
- Ordonez is locked in as a .333 hitter
- Guillen may have a better year than I predicted
- Trade Inge for a reliever while we can. He is in for a nice year if not.

TOWNHOUSE:
- the bullpen wasnt so bad. It held the dam as long as it could.
- Sheffield is a great #3 hitter. Will be a great table setter for O and MC
- I bet Polanco wont have another spell this year of 0 for 6

OUTHOUSE:
- Grilli sucked as usual
- this team has to hit in the clutch! dont pressure the pitchers. 4 runs in 9 innings should have been enough for this O.

Looks like only one tiger batter showed up today...Ed Renteria... three hits for him, nada for the rest of staff. Second game in a row that one our ace pitchers has a shut out going into the six inning and fades with no run support. I wondered about how good this team would be after seeing their so-so spring traing record ..oh well it still early --160 more to go...

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Very difficult to do that to our lineup. Except for Renteria, 0 hits and 1 walk for us. That is pretty anemic.

The good news is that Verlander and Rogers each pitched some strong innings.

It is early, but it is not pretty. I could understand if Santana was pitching. But this guy? And nobody can get on base? Nobody is going to roll over just because they have star-studded lineup. They have to produce to win. I am sure they will be alright, but they shouldn't have many games like this where only 1 out of 9 showed up.

KC-Det 4-1.

Another loss for the Tigers who get swept by the KC at home to open a promising World Series campaign. Another listless offensive performance with only Brandon Inge's solo homer to account for all the scoring. At least they didn't get shut out. Sheff got his first hit of the year, but got thrown out trying to stretch a single into a double. Thames with a couple of very nice catches to keep this from being a blowout. Bonderman with a couple of mistakes that left the ballpark and that was the ballgame as the offense didn't come to the plate again. Bullpen came in and allowed that inherited runner to score, but didn't give up anything else. Now, on to Chicago to see if the offense can wake up.
Cabrera has missed the game with the pulled quad (?) and is listed day-to-day.

Jim L. should be ready to slap them around a little.

Jim L. should be ready to slap them around a little.
You think that'll help when batters are in a slump? I didn't watch the game, so I can't talk about the effort. But it is weird that the whole team is slumping.

I think this is a 3-day-long April Fool's joke that the Tigers are playing on their fans.

Unfortunately, nobody is laughing.

During S/T the Tigs lost 4 won 5 lost 1 won 5 lost 5 . It's cold now let them warm up. Aren't Tigs a "nite" team anyway?

Maybe they just need to get out of Comerica Park for ahwile. If Brandon Inge is the only bat that can get over those deep fences in two days then they got some real issues. (should have moved those fences in 3 years ago....:MusicBigGrin:)

- stats

LOB
Game 1, 10
Game 2, 2
Game 3, 8
That is 20 potential runs, but they only score 5?? and three of those were 3 solo home runs...

I watched all three games..when ever would actually they put runners on base, seems like the next batter would pop up. Meanwhile, the KC batters seem to be hitting those seeing eye base balls that found their way untouched out to the outfield grass

Looks like we're not going to go 35-5 out of the gate this year.

Looks like we're not going to go 35-5 out of the gate this year.

well still a chance.... but not 18-2 thats for sure....

There pressing now, i think once the first little rally starts we'll see the flood gates open, unless half the team is in the trainers room.... any word on how long folks are going to be out?

we're never going to win a game :(

we're never going to win a game :(
Yeah, a record-setting 0-162 season is on the horizon. :gun1:

Looks like Carbrera will DH today against ChiSox and Sheff is sitting this one out, but won't go on the DL with the finger injury.

Sox -Tigers >Update-

Tigers send up six batters in the first inning including loading the bases with no outs.......and get one run out of it. :yellowprison:

You know with Nate Roberston pitching, runs are always at a premium...

Meanwhile,, just as expected the Sox take advantage of the Tiger anemic run issues by coming back in the top of the second and taking the lead on 2 run homer by Carlos Quentien as Nate grooved one right down the middle

In a nut shell here is what happen>>Tigers go down again 8-5 and drop to 0-4!!

Tiger send six men to plate in the bottom of the 1st and get one run
White Sox get 2 runs on two pitches in the top of the 2nd to take the lead (a back to back doube and home run off or Nate
Tigers come back and tie the game in the bottom of the second as Pudge gets on and scores on a Clete Thomas single.

3rd inning Sox continue to ppund out doubles on Nate and push across three more runs.

bottom of the 3rd Tigers get the tthree runs back and the score remains tied 5-5 for three innings .....until Jason Grilli came in to start the 7th inning..dude gives up 5 straight hits to open the inning, including a 3 run dinger to AJ Pierzynski and before you knew the wind was out of the bag and that point you knew the Tigers were not coming back....

The bats looked like they were trying to wake up, but once again 10 runners left on base and the opposing team hits two homers to effectively win the game and our only extra base hits for the Tigers were two doubles by Pudge who combined with Clete Thomas, got 6 of the Tigers 10 hits.

If this had been a road game, I am sure the players would not have let Grilli on the bus:)

In a nut shell here is what happen>>Tigers go down again 8-5 and drop to 0-4!!

Tiger send six men to plate in the bottom of the 1st and get one run
White Sox get 2 runs on two pitches in the top of the 2nd to take the lead (a back to back doube and home run off or Nate
Tigers come back and tie the game in the bottom of the second as Pudge gets on and scores on a Clete Thomas single.

3rd inning Sox continue to ppund out doubles on Nate and push across three more runs.

bottom of the 3rd Tigers get the tthree runs back and the score remains tied 5-5 for three innings .....until Jason Grilli came in to start the 7th inning..dude gives up 5 straight hits to open the inning, including a 3 run dinger to AJ Pierzynski and before you knew the wind was out of the bag and that point you knew the Tigers were not coming back....

The bats looked like they were trying to wake up, but once again 10 runners left on base and the opposing team hits two homers to effectively win the game and our only extra base hits for the Tigers were two doubles by Pudge who combined with Clete Thomas, got 6 of the Tigers 10 hits.

If this had been a road game, I am sure the players would not have let Grilli on the bus:)

the 3 runs grilli gave up to start the 7th were on the first 3 pitches he threw...... :gun1:

Yeah, yeah, there are 162 games in the season, and it is only 4 games old, but you don't want to dig yourself a hole too deep and have to chase the Indians, and the Yanks, and Angels, and BoSox, and whoever else is going to be on the top.

I'm sure we can pick up a mid relief guy at the trade date.
Then blow by everybody 35-5 down the stretch.

Man, I jumped out of work to grab a quick lunch and catch an inning of the Tigers game and all I saw was the Grilli debacle.

Getting a little worried here. I guess we have enough tradable assets that we can get more pitchers if need be.


Just a quick pet peeve here. Having Clete Thomas bunt in the 5th inning is pretty weak IMO. Did Leyland really think that we needed just 1 run to win this game? It was obvious that we were going to have to outscore them when our relief pitchers came in. Also, Clete had 5 hits in a row, or something like that.

the 3 runs grilli gave up to start the 7th were on the first 3 pitches he threw...... :gun1:

Yep you are right there...JL didn't even get a chance yank him or to give him the evil eye before three runs were across....In one of the previous games somebody got the hook after pitchin to only one batter... sure wish JL had been to get up the steps before that second pitch.....

Desperation...

Man, I jumped out of work to grab a quick lunch and catch an inning of the Tigers game and all I saw was the Grilli debacle.

Getting a little worried here. I guess we have enough tradable assets that we can get more pitchers if need be.


Just a quick pet peeve here. Having Clete Thomas bunt in the 5th inning is pretty weak IMO. Did Leyland really think that we needed just 1 run to win this game? It was obvious that we were going to have to outscore them when our relief pitchers came in. Also, Clete had 5 hits in a row, or something like that.

I think that bunt was an accidental bunt :nerd2:

Also,

WE'RE DOOMED!

DOOOOOOOOMED!

:(

Yeah, yeah, there are 162 games in the season, and it is only 4 games old, but you don't want to dig yourself a hole too deep and have to chase the Indians, and the Yanks, and Angels, and BoSox, and whoever else is going to be on the top.


Yeah there are 158 games to go so maybe we are overly concerned, but this ain't the 2003 Tigers.. expectations are high and payroll is even higher:)

> Tigers 5-38 in the four games with runners in scoring position,
> only 3 homers in four games >all solos
>only team in the league without a victory
Coments on ESPN,>no team has ever gone to the World Series after losing their first four game at home...

Did anyone see Ozzie Guillen first stare down Jose Contreras on the mound where he couln't look at him...and then chew him out in the dug out after he gane the hits that the game to be tied? I don't remember if they showed Leyland saying anything to Grilli when he came to the dugout. The fans cheered him because he finally got somebody out.:)

Yeah there are 158 games to go so maybe we are overly concerned, but this ain't the 2003 Tigers.. expectations are high and payroll is even higher:)

> Tigers 5-38 in the four games with runners in scoring position,
> only 3 homers in four games >all solos
>only team in the league without a victory
Coments on ESPN,>no team has ever gone to the World Series after losing their first four game at home...

Did anyone see Ozzie Guillen first stare down Jose Contreras on the mound where he couln't look at him...and then chew him out in the dug out after he gane the hits that the game to be tied? I don't remember if they showed Leyland saying anything to Grilli when he came to the dugout. The fans cheered him because he finally got somebody out.:)
Imagine Pistons starting out year at 0-4...
Roscoe's server would've exploded.
:stirthepot:

Yanks started 0-4 a couple years ago and finished with 114 wins. Team needs W. Hermann as a middle reliever.

Yanks started 0-4 a couple years ago and finished with 114 wins. Team needs W. Hermann as a middle reliever.


Yep and Tay as the south paw with the crazy wind up as the closer.:nerd2:

I was able to watch all four games this week on free preview. It'll be just my luck that now that they are on Fox national Tv and we are getting the mets vs Braves down here, they'll win 14-2 today!!!!!!

Lets hope so...

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Tigers reliever Fernando Rodney has suffered another setback in his attempt to get healthy, and the club has added an extra reliever to compensate for his absence, Tigers manager Jim Leyland said Saturday.

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Leyland made it clear that he doesn’t expect Rodney to pitch for the Tigers any time soon.


Not good news, and I don't know who that Beltran guy is. I guess, we'll have to wait and see. But now because of the bullpen issues Tigers are carrying an extra reliever and sent Rayburn down to Toledo.

White Sox 5 Tigers 3
Tigers lose fifth in a row to go to 0-5 to start this promising campaign. Willis struggled with walks, but left leading the game in the 6th inning after walking the first two batters he faced in the inning and then giving up a double to score the 1st Chicago run. After that Miner came in and promptly gave up 3 more runs, aided by Thomas's fielding error, and that was the ballgame as the bats go silent once again. All of the production came from the #8 and #9 hitters that went 4 for 6 with a homer, 3 rbi and 2 runs, and 2 walks. Middle of the lineup did nothing.
Is this the time to start worrying?

AGGGGGHHHHHHHh

This is funny, some of the sports writers are starting to recall years of Bobby Higginson and Dean Palmer with the middle of current Tigers lineup not doing squat. I guess I could go back as far as Cecil Fielder and Mickey Tettleton. And, by the way, Rob Deer, where art though?
:pound:

White Sox 5 Tigers 3
Tigers lose fifth in a row to go to 0-5 to start this promising campaign. Willis struggled with walks, but left leading the game in the 6th inning after walking the first two batters he faced in the inning and then giving up a double to score the 1st Chicago run. After that Miner came in and promptly gave up 3 more runs, aided by Thomas's fielding error, and that was the ballgame as the bats go silent once again. All of the production came from the #8 and #9 hitters that went 4 for 6 with a homer, 3 rbi and 2 runs, and 2 walks. Middle of the lineup did nothing.
Is this the time to start worrying?


Well same ole stuff> Starters hold serve thru five innings and run out of gas in the sixth. Batters put up little fuss in the beginning, score a couple of runs but blow several scoring ops., and in a carryover from last season the batters go dorment in the last three innings. ..today 7 runners LOB, the stat the tigers probably league in.

Willis gave up only 1 hit, but as Mikhail says SEVEN Walks!! The Sox only had 3 HITS total...but they were playing the Tigers..

Meanwhile the Tigers leading hitter is the guy they tried to throw under the bus, Brandon Inge with a .375 hiiting average. Guillen mattches that batting average, bu the "new look" tigers are stinking up the batting box with Cabrera clocking in with a .143 and rinteria at .227. Not to be out done though is Polanco who barely standing with a .087 batting average.

We should consider going 2 games with all starting pitchers (even at the relief spots) and then just concede the next 2 after that. It would be better than blowing every single game.

We should consider going 2 games with all starting pitchers (even at the relief spots) and then just concede the next 2 after that. It would be better than blowing every single game.


Other than Nate, all the starters were good thru five, but they eached collapsed in the sixth inning. So in your scenario, JL needs to pull the starter after five and then put in another starter.:)

Tommorrow Verlander and is on ESPN display , maybe that is the day they all wake up and bring it together:pray:

Other than Nate, all the starters were good thru five, but they eached collapsed in the sixth inning. So in your scenario, JL needs to pull the starter after five and then put in another starter.:)

Tommorrow Verlander and is on ESPN display , maybe that is the day they all wake up and bring it together:pray:

All we can do is hope. Verlander was pissed off after his first start, so maybe he can do a better job and go deeper in the game.

Nothing like losing 5 straight to the 2 worse clubs in the division from last year.

Nothing like losing 5 straight to the 2 worse clubs in the division from last year.


Have the Tigers been playing in FORD FIELD this season. Maybe that's it.:)

I feel like a Knicks fan

:hanged2:

I feel like a Knicks fan

Why not like Lions fan?

Another ugly, ugly loss. Tigers get blown out by Sox 13-2 to go 0-6 to start the season. Offense has been non-existent, pitching stunk, and defense showed some holes. Hopefully, going on the road will help team's morale.

Why not like Lions fan?

I don't really keep up with the NFL but I doubt that the Lions have one of the highest payrolls in their league.

I don't really keep up with the NFL but I doubt that the Lions have one of the highest payrolls in their league.

Actually, Lions were never tight with money and their payroll is in the upper tier of the NFL. Funny how things are, aren't they?

By the way, this is the first game I get to watch and it is such a stinker today.

Actually, Lions were never tight with money and their payroll is in the upper tier of the NFL. Funny how things are, aren't they?

There is no such thing as high or low payroll like MLB and NBA. Cap controls all teams spending to the same level. It's how and where it's spent that is good or bad.

How bad was that for Dumbrowski? Sitting there with the Sunday Night Crew and watching the team disintegrate in front of them.

There is no such thing as high or low payroll like MLB and NBA. Cap controls all teams spending to the same level. It's how and where it's spent that is good or bad.



The 2007 NFL payrolls ranged from $75 million (NY Giants) to $123 million (Washington). I don't think that is spending to the same level.

USATODAY.com (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/totalpayroll.aspx?year=2007)

I am so numb, its hard to type!

Other mind numbing moments:

1. The accident of Vladimir Konstintinov
2. Tigers in World series 2004
3. Larry Bird stole the ball
4. Dantley and Wave bump heads
5. The death of Owen Hart
6. Game 6 loss to Cavs
7. Stewart and Colorado hail mary Michigan
8. Magic has HIV (ignorance set in first)
9. Shock lose to Phoenix in Game 5
10. Zeke's last game to due injury
BadBoys lose to Bulls 4-0..tie

BOOOOO!

The 2007 NFL payrolls ranged from $75 million (NY Giants) to $123 million (Washington). I don't think that is spending to the same level.

USATODAY.com (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/totalpayroll.aspx?year=2007)

Exactly what I had in mind.

I am so numb, its hard to type!

Other mind numbing moments:

1. The accident of Vladimir Konstintinov
2. Tigers in World series 2004
3. Larry Bird stole the ball
4. Dantley and Wave bump heads
5. The death of Owen Hart
6. Game 6 loss to Cavs
7. Stewart and Colorado hail mary Michigan
8. Magic has HIV (ignorance set in first)
9. Shock lose to Phoenix in Game 5
10. Zeke's last game to due injury
BadBoys lose to Bulls 4-0..tie
I had the same feelings in 2-4, 6-9 and the Badboys lose to Bulls

I was sadden by Vlady and had to look up who Owen Hart was...but I recall the incident.. and that's coming from a father whose son flew from California to Orlando a week ago to attend Wrestlemania 24 in person:nerd2:

Maybe what the Tigers need is some Road Cooking....or a look at the Green Wall...But why do I have a feeling like the Tigers will be 0-9 when they head into Chicago next weekend??

I had the same feelings in 2-4, 6-9 and the Badboys lose to Bulls

I was sadden by Vlady and had to look up who Owen Hart was...but I recall the incident.. and that's coming from a father whose son flew from California to Orlando a week ago to attend Wrestlemania 24 in person:nerd2:

Maybe what the Tigers need is some Road Cooking....or a look at the Green Wall...But why do I have a feeling like the Tigers will be 0-9 when they head into Chicago next weekend??

Well, the difference between this and all the other episodes is that in all those cases there was no tomorrow, and this season is only 6 games old. I have to admit that saying this doesn't make me feel any better, but there's still hope, especially if there's hope for Lions than there should be lots of hope for the Tigers.

The 2007 NFL payrolls ranged from $75 million (NY Giants) to $123 million (Washington). I don't think that is spending to the same level.

USATODAY.com (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/totalpayroll.aspx?year=2007)

Like to know how they come up with that since the cap is $116M. Like I said, depends on how some teams spend it or not.

Please reftain from any future Lions references in my baseball threads by order of the gaming commission and Charleton Heston. Thank you.

Doesn't look good for Tigers in the 1st game in Boston so far. After 4 innings they are down 3-0. They only have 1 hit with 4 K's. Kenny has thrown 89 pitches.

And they leave the bases loaded on the top of the 6th. I wonder if they'll get another chance to get back into the game.
This is frustrating, as Tiger's middle of the lineup can't get that "timely hit". Magglio comes up with 2 on 1 out and strikes out. And then Guillen flies out with bases loaded. This is just sad.

How can all of these good hitters be slumping at once? Terrible.

How can all of these good hitters be slumping at once? Terrible.
It doesn't seem as though anyone has an answer to that puzzle.

Detroit fan favorite Grilli comes in to replace Rogers and pitches a gem. 1 inning pitched - 41 pitches, 2 hits, 2 walks, 2 runs allowed (1 on a walk).

Lopez comes in and strikes out Varitek to close the 6th inning. It is 5-0 BoSox. Grilli's ERA comes down to 19.29.

Its fine if the Tigers want to self destruct their own season, but I'm a Blue Jays fan and playing in a division with Boston and NY, I'd appreciate a little help every now and then.:stirthepot:

Lopez comes in and strikes out Varitek to close the 6th inning. It is 5-0 BoSox. Grilli's ERA comes down to 19.29.
I heard that Grilli just signed a deal with Cheli's Chili Bar. They're calling it Cheli's Chili with Grilli.

I heard that Grilli just signed a deal with Cheli's Chili Bar. They're calling it Cheli's Chili with Grilli.
Lots of free chili there.
:pound::pound::pound:

Its fine if the Tigers want to self destruct their own season, but I'm a Blue Jays fan and playing in a division with Boston and NY, I'd appreciate a little help every now and then.:stirthepot:
What help? Gotta win your own games.
:hoops:

And another great day in Tigers nation as the team gets shutout for the second time in 7 games and falls to 0-7 on the season by the virtue of losing to the Red Sox 5-0. Hitters 2 through 6 go 4-17 with 3bb and 6K. Team finishes game with 11 strikeouts. Ouch!
Can't blame this on pitching, as giving up 5 runs is not horrible, while not good either.

No game can be blamed on anything in particular, cause we are doing it all poorly.

Scored 16 runs in 7 games. That is as bad as it gets.

Also, we have almost given up the most runs in the league.


The hitters will snap out of the funk at some point, but the pitching and defense will be like this for a while.

Here're the stats for the Tigers' top hitters through the first 7 games:

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/3774/tigje0.png (http://imageshack.us)

Nobody on this list has more than 1hr or 1rbi. They produced 2hr and 3rbi total in 7 games. As a matter of fact, Pudge has 2rbi and Inge has 4. Nobody else has more than 1. The team has scored 15 runs in the 7 games, the next closest team scored 23.

I do agree, however, that these numbers will improve. Will the pitching? We'll have to wait and see.

What help? Gotta win your own games.
:hoops:
Hey, we have. We won 1 of 3 from the Yankees @ their place (and lost by 1 run in the other 2) and then we just swept Boston in 3 games in Toronto.

By my count, thats 4 more wins than the Tigers have, in one less game played. :stirthepot:

Hey, we have. We won 1 of 3 from the Yankees @ their place (and lost by 1 run in the other 2) and then we just swept Boston in 3 games in Toronto.

By my count, thats 4 more wins than the Tigers have, in one less game played. :stirthepot:
Your math is correct. That's all I'm going to say about this.
:yellowprison:

Time to trade one of those so called "heavy hitters" to another team to get a better relief pitcher and you can throw in Grilli with them. That might scare the other batters out of their slump.

I heard Barry Bonds is still available on the FA market...he might take less money now that know one has signed him out of the gate...at least he knows hot to get on base and he can DH the whole season:)

The thing that sucks is that except for maybe the 1st game, the Tigers haven't even been competitive. EVERYTHING has been horrible. The starting pitching has pretty much sucked, the relievers suck (send Grilli to Toledo), the defense sucks, the base running sucks...and who would have thought 10 days ago that this mighty offensive unit would be sooooo offensive at the plate?

All I can say is I'm glad they didn't trade Inge in the off season.

Leyland better do something to shake these guys up soon or the Tigers might go 5-35.

Here're the stats for the Tigers' top hitters through the first 7 games:

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/3774/tigje0.png (http://imageshack.us)

Nobody on this list has more than 1hr or 1rbi. They produced 2hr and 3rbi total in 7 games. As a matter of fact, Pudge has 2rbi and Inge has 4. Nobody else has more than 1. The team has scored 15 runs in the 7 games, the next closest team scored 23.

I do agree, however, that these numbers will improve. Will the pitching? We'll have to wait and see.

I took Cabrera with my first pick in Fantasy. I can't believe how poorly he and the team are playing. I just can't understand WHY they are playing so poorly. They aren't competing at all as det said above. There's this general malaise on the team. Seems as if they have lost their confidence, collectively.

I can't remember being so excited for the start of a season of any Detroit sports team and than being so disappointed so quickly. It's a roller-coaster, I tell ya, and I want off.

Jamm you might get more help from the Rays.
Tigs are just trying to make a dramatic worst to first...they don't fool me.

Both Detroit newspapers have the exact same headline: "Eight is Enough: Tigers Finally Win"

Eight is enough: Tigers finally win | Freep.com | Detroit Free Press (http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080409/SPORTS02/304090002/1048/SPORTS)

EIGHT IS ENOUGH: Tigers finally win after 0-7 start (http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080409/SPORTS0104/804090475/1004/SPORTS)

Both Detroit newspapers have the exact same headline: "Eight is Enough: Tigers Finally Win"

Eight is enough: Tigers finally win | Freep.com | Detroit Free Press (http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080409/SPORTS02/304090002/1048/SPORTS)

EIGHT IS ENOUGH: Tigers finally win after 0-7 start (http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080409/SPORTS0104/804090475/1004/SPORTS)


The streak is over! Even Erica Cane is breathing a sigh of relief that the Tigers won as they threaten to break her winless streak of 19 noms without an Emmy:cold:

Time to put together six more W's to get to .500:MusicBigGrin:

Well, well, well. The Tigers finally pull one out. The pitching held and the offense got going and...uh... this is just one win. Hopefully more of the same to come.

Dang, was hoping kind of that the Lions would win one first. hahahaha----NOT

Both Detroit newspapers have the exact same headline: "Eight is Enough: Tigers Finally Win"

Eight is enough: Tigers finally win | Freep.com | Detroit Free Press (http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080409/SPORTS02/304090002/1048/SPORTS)

EIGHT IS ENOUGH: Tigers finally win after 0-7 start (http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080409/SPORTS0104/804090475/1004/SPORTS)

I hate to see that worthless TV show getting all this pub.

YouTube - Eight is Enough season 3 intro (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tincTKPfpw)

I hate to see that worthless TV show getting all this pub.

YouTube - Eight is Enough season 3 intro (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tincTKPfpw)

I CAN POST AGAIN!!!!!:party2:WOOO-HOO! I told myself I wouldnt post until we won a game! Now I can attack black (inside joke...see "the Nutty Professor")...

1. Gazoo- I used to have fantasies about the daughters on "8" show. Not one of them looked alike!!! Ah, to be 15 and not in control of my facilities again! Sigh......(did u know the original mom thay died was dating Henry Winkler who was 12 yrs younger at the time? The joke was that only Tv could give Dick Van Patten a wife like that!:MusicBigGrin:)

2. Tigers look so.... scared? Its still a lonnnng season. Lets see if we can win 2 of 3 for a while.

3. Here's a tough stat. Lets say Detroit wants to win 90 games. We're 1-7 ..to go 10-10 after 20 games (my goal) we have to go 9-3, a .750 pct. To get to 90 wins, we need to go 80-62, a .567 pct. Not to hard to do, eh?

feel better?

I CAN POST AGAIN!!!!!:party2:WOOO-HOO! I told myself I wouldnt post until we won a game! Now I can attack black (inside joke...see "the Nutty Professor")...

1. Gazoo- I used to have fantasies about the daughters on "8" show. Not one of them looked alike!!! Ah, to be 15 and not in control of my facilities again! Sigh......(did u know the original mom thay died was dating Henry Winkler who was 12 yrs younger at the time? The joke was that only Tv could give Dick Van Patten a wife like that!:MusicBigGrin:)

2. Tigers look so.... scared? Its still a lonnnng season. Lets see if we can win 2 of 3 for a while.

3. Here's a tough stat. Lets say Detroit wants to win 90 games. We're 1-7 ..to go 10-10 after 20 games (my goal) we have to go 9-3, a .750 pct. To get to 90 wins, we need to go 80-62, a .567 pct. Not to hard to do, eh?

feel better?
Hey, HQ, if it is not too hard to go 80-62, why so few teams manage to do so? :stirthepot:

I guess Tigers farm system is not all that depleted after all.

Tigers roving instructor likes makeup of Whitecaps - Extra Base Hits - The Grand Rapids Press - MLive.com (http://blog.mlive.com/whitecaps/2008/04/tigers_roving_instructor_likes.html)


Roof said the No. 1 goal for the players is to develop enough to warrant moving up the Tigers' minor league ladder. Many of the current Whitecaps have that potential, Roof said.
"You have to take ability and mesh and mold it into that Detroit kind of player," he said. "This team has a little more experience, but the Tigers don't look at ages."

Tigers-Red Sox: Finally! Tigers Are off the Schneid | Bleacher Report (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/17051-Tigers-Red-Sox-Finally-Tigers-Are-off-the-Schneid)


Go ahead and call me a foolish optimist, but after tonight, I am very confident in the Detroit Tigers' playoff chances.
Yes, the Tigers are now 1-7, a record nobody would have predicted before the season, and have played some sloppy baseball along the way, but I have to say that I have never felt so much confidence in a team with this record.
Tonight, I think that the Tigers got over the hump. They beat a pretty good pitcher in Jon Lester, and held the mighty Boston lineup to two runs.

playoffs are along ways away but some positives

Boston 4-5
Yankees 4-5
Cleveland 4-5

So none of the favorites are gettting away to a great start either....

Hey, HQ, if it is not too hard to go 80-62, why so few teams manage to do so? :stirthepot:

thats why i said it would take that JUST to win 90 games....note not myy sarcasm did you?

I CAN POST AGAIN!!!!!:party2:WOOO-HOO! I told myself I wouldnt post until we won a game! Now I can attack black (inside joke...see "the Nutty Professor")...

1. Gazoo- I used to have fantasies about the daughters on "8" show. Not one of them looked alike!!! Ah, to be 15 and not in control of my facilities again! Sigh......(did u know the original mom thay died was dating Henry Winkler who was 12 yrs younger at the time? The joke was that only Tv could give Dick Van Patten a wife like that!:MusicBigGrin:)

2. Tigers look so.... scared? Its still a lonnnng season. Lets see if we can win 2 of 3 for a while.

3. Here's a tough stat. Lets say Detroit wants to win 90 games. We're 1-7 ..to go 10-10 after 20 games (my goal) we have to go 9-3, a .750 pct. To get to 90 wins, we need to go 80-62, a .567 pct. Not to hard to do, eh?

feel better?

HQ, you can't pull a hollywood comment over on me my astute alumni brother from EMU and CT, so I must correct you here and say that it was actually John Travolta who was involved with the late Diana Hyland who played the first wife of DVP on 8 is enuf, and he was 18 years younger than her.

Diana Hyland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diana_Hyland)

John Travolta (http://www.nndb.com/people/927/000022861/)

Oh yeah, I am predicting an 84-78 season and five games out of the wildcard spot:(

Cabrera is clearly pressing as he strikes out for the 2nd time. This time in the 3rd inning with bases loaded and 1 out. :(

And Guillen pops out to leave the bases loaded. After 3 innings Tigers have no hits, but they have 4 walks and a HBP. Wakefield has thrown 71 pitches through 3. Robertson needs to hold the fort down until the bats get going.

Well, Robertson comes through in the 3rd after giving up a leadoff double to our good pal Sean Casey, and Tigers finally break through scoring 2 runs - one on sacrifice fly by Inge and another on a single by Polanco. Wakefield has already thrown 94 pitches in 4.

As soon as I get excited, Robertson just falls apart and gives back the lead and more. It is now 4-2 Boston after 4.
:hoops:

Thinkin' the skipper needs to shuffle the batting order around. Needs to try something to stir the pot.

At least we haven't traded B. Inge yet. He has been our best player so far.

Maybe Cabrerra needs to sit for a while and get healthy because so far; I for one am not impressed.

Thinkin' the skipper needs to shuffle the batting order around. Needs to try something to stir the pot.

At least we haven't traded B. Inge yet. He has been our best player so far.

Maybe Cabrerra needs to sit for a while and get healthy because so far; I for one am not impressed.
Pitching is the issue at this point. If offense knows that they have to score a lot to win, it puts too much pressure on them. They are hitting better and scoring quite a bit more. But you won't win many games giving up 9 walks.
Boston's Ortiz is hitting something along the line .080.

Pitching is the issue at this point. If offense knows that they have to score a lot to win, it puts too much pressure on them. They are hitting better and scoring quite a bit more. But you won't win many games giving up 9 walks.
Boston's Ortiz is hitting something along the line .080.

Not sure about that. They are averaging 3 runs per game. Sounds to me like the pitching is what is under pressure. They have to be almost perfect every time out to get a win. Hard to "pitch to contact" when you only can allow2 runs over 9 innings.

Not sure about that. They are averaging 3 runs per game. Sounds to me like the pitching is what is under pressure. They have to be almost perfect every time out to get a win. Hard to "pitch to contact" when you only can allow2 runs over 9 innings.
The offense is just getting going. They scored 13 runs in the last 2 games, but they gave up 14. 6 runs should be enough to win the game on most nights.
Also, have you ever heard a phrase - pitching wins games?

Kind of a strange game last night, but the Tigs win 5-2. Willis landed awkwardly on a pitch in the 1st and went out with a hyper extended knee, but Lopez, Grilli and Bautista did a pretty good job setting up Jones for the save.

WHO is Clete Thomas? The rook looked like All-Star material last night. Listed at 5'11" 195#, his power is apparently deceptive. He doubled in a run off the opposite field wall in LC with a swing that looked like a pop-out to me. The next inning, he runs down a ball hit down the line and throws a perfect one-hopper to 2nd in time to easily take away what I thought was a sure double. This guy looks like a great all-around ballplayer.

HQ, you can't pull a hollywood comment over on me my astute alumni brother from EMU and CT, so I must correct you here and say that it was actually John Travolta who was involved with the late Diana Hyland who played the first wife of DVP on 8 is enuf, and he was 18 years younger than her.

Diana Hyland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diana_Hyland)

John Travolta (http://www.nndb.com/people/927/000022861/)

Oh yeah, I am predicting an 84-78 season and five games out of the wildcard spot:(
Ah so!, OL' Ancient One! Thats right. She WAS however, the nurse on the Happy days episode when they tried to enlist the Fonz in the army. That's what thru me off.
The Fonz, "Ahhhh!"..."Ayyyyy!":pound:

Leyland promised changes and a minor change was made. But it made an impact, for at least one game, as bullpen was nearly flawless in this one pitching the entire game and giving the team a chance to win by giving up only 1 run.

Well, it is really painful to follow this team right now. They are not capitalizing on any opportunities they get in the game. Sheffield grounds out with a runner on 3rd and 1 out, Polanco bounces into inning ending double-play with runner on 1st and 2nd and 1 out swinging on the 1st pitch.

Now Mags bounces into a double-play. And Cabrera strikes out. Tigers have no hits through 4. The team is clearly off, especially considering that Floyd is pitching.

Tigers go 1-2-3 in the 5th. They are down 1-0 on the HR by Cabrera (no pun intended).

Another unbelievable listless performance by Tigers hitting as they are shutout for the 3rd time in 11 games. All they could muster was 2 hits, and Verlander finally succumbs in the 8th after giving up only 1 run through 7. Hitting needs to get going or this will be over quickly.

Tigers lose left-hander McBride for season (http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080412/SPORTS0104/804120409/&imw=Y)

Except for the inning he threw for Triple-A Toledo in his only start, McBride will miss the entire season because of surgery to repair a torn ligament in his left elbow.

Tigers lose left-hander McBride for season (http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080412/SPORTS0104/804120409/&imw=Y)

Wow, more good news. If we had a thread that said, "Positive News about Your Detroit Tigers," it would be empty.

Hitting needs to get going or this will be over quickly.

It won't be quick, it'll be a long drawn out incredibly disappointing season, full of trade rumors and players and press throwing people under the bus. Not good at all.

2 and 9 baby, better than 0 and 11.

3 shutouts in 2007. 3 in 2008.

I have to admit, this is as puzzling to me as it looks like it is to Leyland, the writers, the players, etc. It's not like Tigers had all the young kids who overachieved last couple of seasons. And everyone, and I mean everyone is struggling. Just doesn't make much sense.

It's really strange how Clete Thomas has been our best player this year. Inge (our supposed weak link) isn't too far behind in the MVP race for the team.

We didn't know how tough the Yankees had it all those years with their pseudo all-star teams.

It's really strange how Clete Thomas has been our best player this year. Inge (our supposed weak link) isn't too far behind in the MVP race for the team.

We didn't know how tough the Yankees had it all those years with their pseudo all-star teams.

I haven't given up yet, but it doesn't look good at 2-9. However, this is nothing a nice streak like 10-2 can't fix.

I think Jim Leyland is the problem. I really do. He's too old-school and he's not willing to shake up the lineup enough or possibly bruise some of the egos of these high-paid athletes. And I don't care if the Tigers got to the Series under him. All I remember is how terrible they were in the Series under him. And I remember some really bad collapses in both seasons under him in addition to the early-season collapse that is going on right now.

I've posted this before, but it's a great tactic used by a coach. Billy Martin, when the Yankees' hitters struggled, would place numbers in a hat, 1 through 9. The number you grabbed outta there is where you batted in the lineup. Reggie batted 8th one time.

Not saying that Leyland should do the "hat trick," but the guy needs to start thinking outside the box. I don't think he can. I think Trammell would be a better manager than Leyland is. Tram never had the talent.

I'll eat my words if Leyland turns the team around. But the guy is an overrated manager IMO.

I hear the Tigs have the second highest payroll. OMG
Let's give them about 10 more games before we fire the whole lot. Make that 20.

I think Jim Leyland is the problem. I really do. He's too old-school and he's not willing to shake up the lineup enough or possibly bruise some of the egos of these high-paid athletes. And I don't care if the Tigers got to the Series under him. All I remember is how terrible they were in the Series under him. And I remember some really bad collapses in both seasons under him in addition to the early-season collapse that is going on right now.

I've posted this before, but it's a great tactic used by a coach. Billy Martin, when the Yankees' hitters struggled, would place numbers in a hat, 1 through 9. The number you grabbed outta there is where you batted in the lineup. Reggie batted 8th one time.

Not saying that Leyland should do the "hat trick," but the guy needs to start thinking outside the box. I don't think he can. I think Trammell would be a better manager than Leyland is. Tram never had the talent.

I'll eat my words if Leyland turns the team around. But the guy is an overrated manager IMO.

I dunno Green guy. I think Leyland is the tops. He's done well with other teams too. You follow the sport closer than I do, but I think Leyland should not be blamed for this.

Like TFD said, it's still early in the year too. :)

I dunno Green guy. I think Leyland is the tops. He's done well with other teams too. You follow the sport closer than I do, but I think Leyland should not be blamed for this.

Like TFD said, it's still early in the year too. :)

I think it is Leyland, some of the players and management, but not in any particular order.

First of all we know a whole season has elapsed, but I'mnot sure if this team ever recovered from the W/S loss in 2006. Management relied on the relief pitching from that team and their injured arms and lived on the starting pitching through Mid July and nothing has been the same since in the pitching or offense. The players seem tentative and Leyland still does not know when to fold or hold with the pithing staff and that definitely dates back to last summer.

Looks like they going 2-10 after today's loss and although there are 150 games left, by the time they find a couple of teams that they can possibly win a series from they will be to far behind to catch up...........

I think it is Leyland, some of the players and management, but not in any particular order.

First of all we know a whole season has elapsed, but I'mnot sure if this team ever recovered from the W/S loss in 2006. Management relied on the relief pitching from that team and their injured arms and lived on the starting pitching through Mid July and nothing has been the same since in the pitching or offense. The players seem tentative and Leyland still does not know when to fold or hold with the pithing staff and that definitely dates back to last summer.

Looks like they going 2-10 after today's loss and although there are 150 games left, by the time they find a couple of teams that they can possibly win a series from they will be to far behind to catch up...........

Cabrera, Ordonez, Polanco, and Sheffield. They are all hitting around...what... .160. These guys should be lighting it up. He can't hit for these guys. We should have been fine. No sir...I cannot fault Leyland.

We need to switch Leyland with Saunders.......

Leyland needsto change the batting order to shake things up. Move the players around in the order based upon current avg. That is going to put some players in very different spots but something needs to be done. Drastic times call for drastic measures.

If he doesn't shake things up it could be a long month.

Leyland has a very even keel and demeanor about him. He believes in his players and puts his faith in them. If he panics 12 games into the season and starts creating random lineups, the players will sense the panic and put even more pressure on themselves. There is no way this many great players can continue to slump at the same time. Leyland isn't the problem. Baseball is a funny game. Luckily, they play 162 games, not 12.

Leyland did change up some things, but nothing seems to work so far. He really can't go out there and hit for his star players. They have to do the work. And that would take pressure of the starting pitchers not having to go out there and shutout the opposition every time to keep team in the game.

Leyland finally ripped into this team for the way they are playing:

Tigers' offense remains in hibernation (http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080414/SPORTS0104/804140348/1129)

Dormant for a couple of years, manager Jim Leyland spewed ash and anger following the Tigers' 11-0 loss Sunday, when for the first time ever at home the White Sox hit two grand slams.
As explosions go, it wasn't much, especially when compared to the loud corrective measures Leyland took in his first season, when he thought the Tigers had mentally packed up early for an upcoming trip.

That's the sort of thing that can cause the magma to rise, though. He can tolerate the slumps, even one such as the 2-10 Tigers find themselves in. He also can tolerate the lack of hitting, such as two consecutive shutouts on the heels of which the Tigers left Chicago.
They lost 7-0 on Saturday, 11-0 on Sunday, and now have been blanked four times in 12 games.
Leyland stands by his players through thick and thin, but when the frustration is compounded by a lapse in the long, arduous process of simply grinding it out, it's time to jolt the players back into place.
He doesn't ever mean it personally. They don't take it personally. It's strictly business.
But whatever set it off, perhaps the amount of lame first-pitch swinging the Tigers did late in the game, Sunday was the day Leyland took his team to task. But it could have been that the root of what he said after the game actually was what he talked about before it.

Glad to see Leyland rip these guys. As much as I'm down on Leyland, I'm not saying he should be fired. I just think he should be a little more proactive with these guys. The guys like him because he "treats them like men." Fine. Men who make millions of bucks a year need to earn it, like men.

Wouldn't even bother me if they didn't win the pennant. Just compete better, damnit!

I dunno Green guy. I think Leyland is the tops. He's done well with other teams too. You follow the sport closer than I do, but I think Leyland should not be blamed for this.

Obviously, the guys aren't playing well and Leyland can't be totally blamed for that. But until today, Leyland didn't rip these guys at all. Imagine working at a job where you underperformed consistently and your boss did not bother to say anything about it and still paid you millions of dollars a year? I'd want to earn my money. Baseball is a little different. Even the good hitters fail 2 out of every 3 times they come up to the plate. But these guys are not setting themselves up to succeed. I think some of that falls on the manager and the coaching staff. And Leyland will be the first to tell you that he deserves some of that blame.

And DT, I don't follow the sport closer than you do. If I did, I'd be doing better in Fantasy.

Leyland did change up some things, but nothing seems to work so far. He really can't go out there and hit for his star players. They have to do the work. And that would take pressure of the starting pitchers not having to go out there and shutout the opposition every time to keep team in the game.

So now you are changing your tune? Back on the 11th at 1:14 you were telling me that I was wrong and that the pitching was the problem? :nerd2:

Hooray!!!! :party2::djparty:

So now you are changing your tune? Back on the 11th at 1:14 you were telling me that I was wrong and that the pitching was the problem? :nerd2:

I'm not changing my tune. I said it is difficult to win giving up so many runs. And it hasn't changed. Finally offense breaks through to carry the team even though pitching stunk it up. But they do go hand-in-hand as more offense will give more confidence to the pitchers who won't have to pitch shutouts in order for team to win.

Tigers offense finally woke up and the team on the strength of the 6-run eighth wins it 11-9. The Tigers put up 16 hits with only 1 strikeout. Maybe this comeback gets the team jump-started. Pitching wasn't great again, aided by poor defense, which is worrisome.

Here is the way we should look at it. We are 5 games out of first place and it is only to the Royals. That is all that matters. It's better to be out of first place now than later in the season because we have more games to make up the deficit. We are only 2 behind the biggest threat in the division, Cleveland.

It is clear to me that Polanco, Sheffield, Pudge, and Cabrera are all going to finish the year hitting > .230. That means that they have some making up to do. It is also clear to me that Verlander, Rogers, Robertson, and Willis won't end the year having given up 1 run per inning pitched (which is about where they stand right now).

Being extremely optimistic, maybe this adversity will be the kick in the butt that this team needs to make them tough. If it happens, it will be a good story.

Here is the way we should look at it. We are 5 games out of first place and it is only to the Royals. That is all that matters. It's better to be out of first place now than later in the season because we have more games to make up the deficit. We are only 2 behind the biggest threat in the division, Cleveland.

It is clear to me that Polanco, Sheffield, Pudge, and Cabrera are all going to finish the year hitting > .230. That means that they have some making up to do. It is also clear to me that Verlander, Rogers, Robertson, and Willis won't end the year having given up 1 run per inning pitched (which is about where they stand right now).

Being extremely optimistic, maybe this adversity will be the kick in the butt that this team needs to make them tough. If it happens, it will be a good story.
There are some things that are certainties, as you were talking about hitting. There are some certainties about pitching, and that's Verlander. The other guys? I don't know. Rogers is old, hopefully he can resurrect some of his stuff, otherwise he may just be washed up. Both Robertson and Willis struggled mightily last year, so a drastic improvement is not a given. I sure hope that this is how it plays out.

Just out of curiosity, I looked up the guys that we traded to see how they are faring.

Jurjens in Atlanta. He's 1-1 with a 4.38 ERA. 12.1 innings pitched, 7 runs allowed and 8 strike outs. Solid start.

Miller in Florida. He's 0-2 with an 11.37 ERA. 12.2 innings pitched, 16 runs allowed and 15 strike outs. He'd be fitting right in with us! At least he is hitting .200 though.

Maybin in Florida. He's playing AA ball still and he's supposedly doing well there.

Rabello. Nothing special.

Tigers offense finally woke up and the team on the strength of the 6-run eighth wins it 11-9. The Tigers put up 16 hits with only 1 strikeout. Maybe this comeback gets the team jump-started. Pitching wasn't great again, aided by poor defense, which is worrisome.


Good comeback as the Tigers were actually down 9-4 going into the bottom of the 7th and heading for loss number 11. Did Leyland replay his yelling speech during the 7th inning stretch?? Good first win in front of the home town fans.. How many of the 32000 fans were still to witness the 8th inning comeback?

11 runs is what some expected from this team and they needed everyone of them today to pull out the victory. But giving up 7 runs on Saturday, 11 on Sunday and 9 tonight is not going to win many games even if the batters were hitting .300!!

Despite the dismal showing in the first dozen games, the tigs are only five back of first place and the two leaders got most of their wins off the Tigers....so there is hope

Interesting. Leyland prefers Clete to Brandon as Inge sits for the second straight game.

Robertson just talked about going deep into the games and what does he do to start the game? A double, a stolen base, a walk and an RBI groundout to put Twins on top 1-0 right out of the gate.

The Tigers bat remain hot as they come back from 4-1 deficit to beat Twins 6-5. Tigers had with 4 home runs in the game including Cabrera's two-run shot to put Tigers ahead. Jones with a slight scare allowing a run to earn a save.

This is how serious things are in Detroit at week's start:
• The Tigers already have been blanked one more time this season than they were in all of 2007. They're averaging just 2.75 runs a game, by far the worst in either league. Even in the games in which they scored, they're averaging just a tad over four runs a game. That would still put them deep into the bottom half of all teams.
• Their pitching is just as bad. The staff gave up two grand slams to the White Sox on Sunday and is allowing 6.5 runs a game, worst in the American League by a run and a half.
• Since their 0-7 start the Tigers (2-10) actually have lost a half-game in the standings. If they are to win 92 games they have to go 90-60 the rest of the way. That's a .600 clip. By the way, it has taken an average of 97 wins over the last three seasons to win the vastly improved AL Central.
It's unclear precisely what set off Leyland after Sunday's debacle. Indications are that he feels his hitters -- whom many predicted would produce a record number of runs this season -- are simply not being smart at the plate. They are swinging at too many bad pitches, especially early in the count.
"I do think there's a possibility," Leyland told the Detroit News, "that we're already falling into the trap of thinking our offense is so good, the next guy will do it."


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/john_donovan/04/14/donovan.windup2/index.html

The first pitch is usually the best pitch you're going to see. And when you're stinking you got to stay aggressive. [until the pitchers figure that out]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/john_donovan/04/14/donovan.windup2/index.html

Some positive spins on the tigers

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/john_donovan/04/11/powerranks.one/2.html
As bad as the Tigers have started off, SI still has them ranked 26 out of 30 in their power rankings as of 4/11 when they were still 1-8. ESPN had them ranked 18th and Fox Sports has them 13th as of 4/14. So there is still some who think they are decent despite others mouthing that they are the worst team in baseball.

Tigers have won 3 of their last 5 and are only 4.5 games behind the leader of what could be the toughest division in baseball. Also they are only 1 game behind the Indians the other team they were suppose to battle with this summer. A victory over the Indians tonight and the two teams are tied for last:)

Consider this : The Washington Nationals who share the same 4-10 record with the Tigers, won their first 3 games out of the gate and then lost nine in a row. Of course neither their expectations, nor their payroll was as high as the Tigers.

Armando Galarraga: AL Cy Young Winner, 2008. :)

Bats AND Pitching coming together for a beatdown of the Tribe? Well I never.

Armando Galarraga: AL Cy Young Winner, 2008. :)

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He certainly has one more win than I thought he would get this year.

Armando Galarraga: AL Cy Young Winner, 2008. :)

Bats AND Pitching coming together for a beatdown of the Tribe? Well I never.

If he comes out as sharp in his next start than he needs to be put in the rotation as the third starter and JL can relegate either Rogers or Willis to the middle long reliever.....

Good win tonight for the Tigs vs their adverseries. sp Whatever Leyland said hopefully it was recorded and Wings can listen to it before Fridays' face off. :sssh:

Good win as bats get hotter. Cabrera gets rolling and the youngster pitches a great game. Of course, Grilli had to come in and give up that second run. Oh, well, if that's the biggest issue then Tigers have nothing to worry about. Now they are tied with Tribe for the last place. And their pitching still has given up the most runs.

Verlander struggling big time through the first two innings against Indians giving up 3 runs on 3 hits while walking 4 and throwing over 50 pitches. Tigers leave two runners on in each inning.

Tried watching tonights game. They had the basis loaded on 2 HB's and 2 singles and only got one run out of it. Their only run and that was on a sacrafice fly. its now 8-1. - check that 10-1.

Unwatchable game unless you are a Clev fan.

Tried watching tonights game. They had the basis loaded on 2 HB's and 2 singles and only got one run out of it. Their only run and that was on a sacrafice fly. its now 8-1. - check that 10-1.

Unwatchable game unless you are a Clev fan.

Yea, that inning was a killer. I'm not sure which was worse, Lamont sending Sheffield home or Sheffield not sliding at home.

Wonder if this is going to become a trend? When we do not hit the ball; our pitching is terrible. When we hit the ball our pitching is good.

Wonder if this is going to be an all or nothing team?

Yea, that inning was a killer. I'm not sure which was worse, Lamont sending Sheffield home or Sheffield not sliding at home.

They were saying it was partly the coaches fault for not guiding him in. But when you are comming in all the way from 2nd on a single to left field then you should know its going to be close.

That one play didn't make or break the game. Verlander pitched like crap. And Tigers didn't get any timely hits. They had quite a few opportunities to score runs but failed to deliver when it counted. Simple as that. And their ERA is the worst in the league.

Verlander was wild. He needs to be our ace and guaranty us at least 1 solid win with little or no bullpen help when his turn comes up.

Verlander was wild. He needs to be our ace and guaranty us at least 1 solid win with little or no bullpen help when his turn comes up.


It appears that Verlander has the junior jinx.....this is his third year right//

Remember the Bird Mark Fidrych won ROY in 1976 and by 1978 he was basically finished after all the hoopla of his rookie season in 76. Of course a couple of injuries did him in.....was JV's excuse?? I think that opening game non decision for him, but loss for the Tigers still has him second guessing himself!

It appears that Verlander has the junior jinx.....this is his third year right//

Remember the Bird Mark Fidrych won ROY in 1976 and by 1978 he was basically finished after all the hoopla of his rookie season in 76. Of course a couple of injuries did him in.....was JV's excuse?? I think that opening game non decision for him, but loss for the Tigers still has him second guessing himself!

He was burnt out after one season. Lost all his speed with that injury. Could not adapt after that. If you remember Frank Tanana he had a similiar injury and was able to adapt but not everyone can do that.

Tonight Tigers go against a rookie in Toronto. Hopefully offense can get back into the groove. And, oh by the way, the team really needs Rogers to pitch a decent game. Bullpen needs a rest and he needs a good game for his psyche.

You've gotta be kidding me. Tigers score 1 run in the first 2 innings. But they leave 5 men on including 4 in the scoring position failing to bring runners home with runners on 2nd and 3rd and one out and twice with bases loaded and 2 outs. They just don't have good enough pitching to keep missing out on these. The guy walked 5 in 2 innings, but only 1 run scored.

And of course Rogers gives up a homer, a solo, on an 0-2 pitch. This team just makes me so mad.

The Tigers are now 0 for 7 with runners in scoring position through 3. And this is supposed to be the best offense of all times???
:gun1::gun1::gun1:

The Tigers are now 0 for 7 with runners in scoring position through 3. And this is supposed to be the best offense of all times???
:gun1::gun1::gun1:


Patience, my man. Patience. You just gotta believe!

Patience, my man. Patience. You just gotta believe!

Why do they have to do everything the hard way? When you have your opponent down you step on the throat and don't let go. This team has not done it this year. They were 2-14 with runners in scoring position before they were finally able to string a few hits together, aided by the error. What's missing is that "timely hit" that kind of puts the other team on the brink and does a lot of psychological damage. When you let pitcher off the hook and give him confidence, you make it tough on yourself.
The Tigers ended up scoring 8 runs and winning fairly comfortably, but not all the games are going to be like this.

Here is something interesting.

Lopez, Bautista, and Todd Jones have combined for 28 innings pitched this year and they have only given up 3 runs (1 each). Also, Verlander and Bonderman have had > 20% of their runs allowed of the "un-earned" variety.

On a negative note, Jaques Jones has 8 total bases this year, including walks. That is in 37 trips to the plate. All of his hits have been singles. My Cubs buddy laughed when I asked him about JJ after the trade.

Here is a stat I like to look at. Total bases + walks. So far on the season:
Guillen- 42 (on fire)
Ordonez- 33 solid
Cabrera- 33 solid
Inge- 33 (surprisingly productive)
Retneria- 29 solid
Sheffield- 26 (a ton of walks)
Thomas- 20 (very good for limited at bats)
Pudge- 20 (not good compared to Spring training)
Polanco- 15 (miserable. Hopefully b/c of injury)
Thames- 9
Jones- 8 (Horrendous)


Starting pitching needs to wake up.

Here is something interesting.

Lopez, Bautista, and Todd Jones have combined for 28 innings pitched this year and they have only given up 3 runs (1 each). Also, Verlander and Bonderman have had > 20% of their runs allowed of the "un-earned" variety.

On a negative note, Jaques Jones has 8 total bases this year, including walks. That is in 37 trips to the plate. All of his hits have been singles. My Cubs buddy laughed when I asked him about JJ after the trade.

Here is a stat I like to look at. Total bases + walks. So far on the season:
Guillen- 42 (on fire)
Ordonez- 33 solid
Cabrera- 33 solid
Inge- 33 (surprisingly productive)
Retneria- 29 solid
Sheffield- 26 (a ton of walks)
Thomas- 20 (very good for limited at bats)
Pudge- 20 (not good compared to Spring training)
Polanco- 15 (miserable. Hopefully b/c of injury)
Thames- 9
Jones- 8 (Horrendous)


Starting pitching needs to wake up.

These stats are helpful, but the timing of the things is also quite important. Sheffield struck out with bases loaded. Guillen bounced out. That's what I don't like.

These stats are helpful, but the timing of the things is also quite important. Sheffield struck out with bases loaded. Guillen bounced out. That's what I don't like.

The best hitters only convert 1 in 3. In each situation like that, the odds are against the hitter. Michael Jordan missed more game winning shots than he made.

Also, on a very positive note, Detroit pitched a 3-hitter tonight.


Something I think is funny... our 9th hitter is Inge and Toronto's is Inglett.

The best hitters only convert 1 in 3. In each situation like that, the odds are against the hitter. Michael Jordan missed more game winning shots than he made.
I know those odds are less then 1 in 3. But when you're talking 0 for 7 or 2 for 13 it is not good.
But all good that ends good. They got the W. As long as they don't make a trend of leaving too many on base they should be fine.

I think this can put Jaques Jones's slump in perspective.

Guillen had 7 total bases in the first games of the season.
Jones has 8 total bases on the season.

Maybe there is a spot for Inge in LF when Grandy comes back. Or Clete Thomas.

About that Cleve game, 3 dotted batters and nobody charged? Sounds kinda complacent.
I hate Sport Center on Sirius Radio. 2-4 hrs after some games no update, nothing.

I think this can put Jaques Jones's slump in perspective.

Guillen had 7 total bases in the first games of the season.
Jones has 8 total bases on the season.

Maybe there is a spot for Inge in LF when Grandy comes back. Or Clete Thomas.

Jones is .285 career hitter. Anybody could have a slump. I would give him more time.

Bondo needs to get his stuff together. 5 innings pitched 108 pitches, 6 walks and 2 K's. This has been another weird trend by Tigers pitching - walks.

Tigers' offense couldn't pull this one out. Tigers starting pitching has some major issues right now that need to be worked out fairly quickly if this team is going to compete for something meaningful.

Sheffield out of todays game


TORONTO (AP)—Detroit Tigers (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/teams/det/;_ylt=AtPUJX4uQYlncDEp17wa1Oypu7YF) designated hitter Gary Sheffield (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/4268/;_ylt=As5ThD3kNDM0TqcZaYF_6K2pu7YF) was held out of the lineup Sunday against the Blue Jays because of soreness in his surgically repaired right shoulder.

He will visit a doctor once the team returns to Detroit after a four-game series in Toronto that concludes Monday. Sheffield had surgery last October to repair a tear in his shoulder. He also had surgery on the same shoulder in 1995.

Sheffield believes scar tissue from the surgery is limiting his range of motion.

“I want to get it looked at,” Sheffield said. “I want to make sure I know what’s going on, how much scar tissue I really need to break up. … Obviously I can’t throw a baseball right now and can’t really reach across my body.”
Tigers DH Sheffield sits with sore shoulder - MLB - Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AgL2uD1Jo5xNIv.1vvUCEYGpu7YF?slug=ap-tigers-sheffield&prov=ap&type=lgns)

I don't know if anyone else saw the game Friday night, but Shef took a wicked rip at a pitch that looked different from other swings he takes...it was like he couldn't control his follow through and the inertia of the bat carried him around farther than usual. It looked like it had to hurt. The news today sorta confirms what I saw. I'm doubting his shoulder is going to hold out for a productive season.

Meanwhile, the Jays released the slumping Frank Thomas today

TORONTO (AP)—Slumping designated hitter Frank Thomas (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/4527/;_ylt=Aui5G9nIhnLyVPdMg.vl4Gepu7YF) was released Sunday by the Blue Jays, who cut the 19-year veteran one day after he became angry for being taken out of the lineup.

General manager J.P. Ricciardi said he and Thomas came to “a mutual agreement” after meeting in the clubhouse early Sunday.

“Our best opportunity is to put other guys in the lineup at this point,” Ricciardi said. “Obviously, reduced playing time is not something that he was interested in. In order to let him go forward and get on with his career, I think it’s fair to do it at this point.”

The move leaves the Blue Jays on the hook for the remainder of the two-year $18-million contract the 39-year-old Thomas signed in November 2006.


Blue Jays release slumping DH Frank Thomas - MLB - Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=Au_vVgS6C..ALvd2o.GqvR.pu7YF?slug=ap-bluejays-thomasreleased&prov=ap&type=lgns)

Time to make a move?

I was just thinking that. But Tigers have to find out first what is going on with Shef.

I was just thinking that. But Tigers have to find out first what is going on with Shef.
Release him...

This season is over..

1. we got too greedy in trades
2. the devil is back to collect
3. i overated our pitching..we lost Miller and Jurjjens and kept Bonderman and Robertson
4. Grandy will have to have a MVp season for Tigers to win 90 games.
5. no way this team will go 84- 59 to close out the year
6. sixers will sweep Pistons
7. wings lose in second round
8. I'll be fired from my job
9. viagra will be found to have a virus effect like in I am Legend
10. damon jones will be MVP as cavs sweep lakers

Tigers' offense couldn't pull this one out. Tigers starting pitching has some major issues right now that need to be worked out fairly quickly if this team is going to compete for something meaningful.

still think it is the pitching.

Our offense is atrocious right now. How many times can you come to the plate with men in scoring positions with less then 2 outs and not score?

Shef needed to sit awhile ago with Jones and Polanco.

Nice outing by Verlander tonight. And the 3rd 10 run game in the last 9 (I think I heard the announcer say that).

Renteria with 4 hits. Jones got his first non-single of the year. We had a 3 HR inning with back-to-back jacks by Mags and Cabrera.

The next 2 games are against Texas pitchers with astronomical ERA's. Time to gets some wins before a brutal stretch against BOS, MIN, and NY.

So much for the 3rd Basement of the future. Guillen and Cabrera switch corners. I don't think this is the best line up for us.

Put Brandon on 3rd, Cabrera on 1st and let Guillen DH. That gives us our best defensive and offensive base line up.

I think Shef may be done for awhile. Looks like his body is falling apart from all the violent swings.

So much for the 3rd Basement of the future. Guillen and Cabrera switch corners. I don't think this is the best line up for us.

Put Brandon on 3rd, Cabrera on 1st and let Guillen DH. That gives us our best defensive and offensive base line up.


Given Shef's troubles, that is a pretty good solution. Clete Thomas looks like a great backup outfielder and maybe a replacement for Jones in left if he continues to out-hit him. In fact, all of our utility players/ backups are doing a nice job at the plate.

I guess I would go with your plan to put Inge back at 3rd. Then he should also have no problem backing up Pudge every once in a while. When that happens, throw Cabrera back to 3rd, put Guillen in, and either have Pudge DH, or even let Granderson DH until he's back up to full speed.

I think its a move to keep stability..... Our stud 3rd baseman... i mean 1st baseman has looked better at 1st then Guillen has so far. Let him sit at 1st and play every day. Guillen has played 3rd before and can DH some too and being older probably can take the DH to 3rd swap better then a young player. This way it also sets up that Inge can play alot at 3rd without having to Move folks around. I look at as the skipper making a move to get the best all around team on the field everyday both offensively and on def. The more I think about it the more I like it.

Hopefully with our CF back in the fold shortly and Thomas looking so good (like somebody mentioned playing some in place of Jones once Granderson's back up to speed). Now we just need to get the pitching back in place.

Speaking of pitching... Its not great but seems to be going in the right direction.

Got tickets to the Stons tonight so I'll have to tape the game to see how they fare with the new lineup.

They optioned Clete Thomas back to AAA? He's hitting .295 in 20 games (3rd highest BA on team).

I'm guessing that they think he's making Jaques Jones nervous.

That could have easily been a 20 run game. Not bad for only 8 innings of work from our offense.

The Texas pitching is so bad that I knew we were fine down 5 early in the game.

Granderson with a nice return (3 RBI's I think). JJ with a HR. Cabrera with another one.

Here is how bad their pitching is though, besides the 14+ hits we got, we also got at least 8 walks and 2 hit batsmen.

Sounds like they didn't go with the new line up. Will have to watch it tonight after work. Even though I know the outcome.

We are now the 4th highest scoring offense in the MLB and the 28th best in terms of runs allowed.

Pretty clear where the problem is.

And there isn't much that can be done to fix it. We just have to hope that the starting pitchers will get their groove back (like Jarvis Hayes did for a 3 game stretch a couple months ago).

Looks like Brandon's slump is over.

Our bullpen is our strength compared to our starting pitching. May need to bring up a few youngsters in a hurry this year.

Any word on Willis' return yet?

I hope the starting pitching comes around faster than the bully.
The way they're playing we could be @.500 in 12 more games.

How about Gallaraga? A no hitter through 5 and 2/3 and only 1 ER. Even though he didn't officially get the win, he's been responsible for 3 wins already in place of Willis.

The Tigers offense is ranked about 2nd to 4th in the AL in the stats, depending on which ones you look at (team ave, on base %, etc.).

The pitching/ defensive stats are clearly much worse, but there is one surprisingly good one. BAA, batting average against- we are 6th in the AL with only a .253. What that tells me is that we are A) walking a lot of batters, and B) not fielding well. The reason that I say that is because we are giving up a lot of runs with out giving up a lot of hits.

Not sure what my conclusion is.

TaS; what is your feeling on the whole Cabrerra-Guillen switch? I would prefer to see Inge at third and Guillen DH. I think Sheffield is all DONE.

TaS; what is your feeling on the whole Cabrerra-Guillen switch? I would prefer to see Inge at third and Guillen DH. I think Sheffield is all DONE.

If Inge is out of the equation, then I like the switch. Guillen is clearly a better fielder and moving him to 1st was to save his knees. 3rd would be just as easy on the knees as 1st I would think. You're not involved in every play, you rarely have to hold the runner on base, and theoretically, you should get a similar number of ground balls.

However, it seems like Inge has improved his hitting this year to the point where his offense is not the liability that it used to be (although it might be too early to make that determination).

I guess I'd keep it as is, but I would move Guillen and Cabrera to the DH every few games and put Inge in there.

Another thing to consider is playing Inge at 3rd in games that are expected to be pitcher dominated games, where defense will be more of an issue. In games that are going to be run-fests, then go with the big hitters.

2 in a row over the Yanks. Bonderman could have easily completed this game as his pitch count was unusually low through 8 and 2/3. No point though, as Rapada was smooth.

Polanco is back. 4 hits yesterday and 2 homeruns tonight.

And Grandy is on fire.


We now officially have scored the most runs in the AL without even clicking for 1/3 of the season on offense. Now that we've established the rhthym on offense, the pitching needs to keep up the progress.

When Willis gets back from the DL, we are going to have a really difficult decision to make with Gallaraga. He has the minor league option, so we may need to use it so that we don't have to waive anybody. That would be a shame, cause he's been our best pitcher so far.

2 in a row over the Yanks. Bonderman could have easily completed this game as his pitch count was unusually low through 8 and 2/3. No point though, as Rapada was smooth.

Polanco is back. 4 hits yesterday and 2 homeruns tonight.

And Grandy is on fire.


We now officially have scored the most runs in the AL without even clicking for 1/3 of the season on offense. Now that we've established the rhthym on offense, the pitching needs to keep up the progress.

When Willis gets back from the DL, we are going to have a really difficult decision to make with Gallaraga. He has the minor league option, so we may need to use it so that we don't have to waive anybody. That would be a shame, cause he's been our best pitcher so far.

Keep Gallaraga on the big league roster in the starting rotation and let Verlander or Robertson fight it out for the the fith starter... What's all this blame of the relief help?? Rodgers, Verlander and Robertson have 10 for the Tigers 15 losses and all have ERA's over 6.50!!

Good sign is the Tigers win their last two games scoring only 6 runs...The Tigers have been shut out 4 times, but the pitching staff still has not registered a shut off yet...

Tigers fans get their wish - Grilli was traded to Rockies for a minor league pitcher.
Team is picking up wins, and pitching has been better. Coincidence or not with Granderson coming back?

Tigers fans get their wish - Grilli was traded to Rockies for a minor league pitcher.
Team is picking up wins, and pitching has been better. Coincidence or not with Granderson coming back?

Porcello (sp) coming to the bigs tonight in response to this move. Things may start to click.

Can you have six starters?

Tigers fans get their wish - Grilli was traded to Rockies for a minor league pitcher.
Team is picking up wins, and pitching has been better. Coincidence or not with Granderson coming back?

All I know is a healthy Granderson/Polanco is making my fantasy team better then the AAA level team I have been fielding till this point.

Tigers are moving up the pitching ranks too.... there are two teams below them now in ERA and getting alot more respectable.

We already sent Clete Thomas back to the minors b/c we didn't have room for him... even though he was hitting up a storm.

Sending our best pitcher, at least so far, back to the minors would be really tough.

It makes me realize how hard it is to break into the big leagues.

Porcello (sp) coming to the bigs tonight in response to this move. Things may start to click.

Can you have six starters?
Where did you read about Porcello coming up?

When Willis gets back from the DL, we are going to have a really difficult decision to make with Gallaraga. He has the minor league option, so we may need to use it so that we don't have to waive anybody. That would be a shame, cause he's been our best pitcher so far.

I think it's a pretty easy decision actually. Continue to pitch Gallaraga until the league figures him out. Insert Gallaraga at the 4, put Willis at the 5 and send Robertson to either Toledo or the bully. He and Miner can sit down there and tell jokes to one another until we either get a 10-run lead or are down by 10 runs.

And it doesn't matter to me that Nate has a fairly big contract. He stinks. Now that I've written this, he'll pitch great against NY tonight.

'Course, the problem with sending Nate to the bully is that we already have Seay and Rapada down there and we would have to send someone else back to Toledo. So, with that in mind, trade Nate for a young catcher. 'Course, the problem with that is who wants to pay Nate $7 million per? I wouldn't give him $7 to wash my car.

We started winning before Granny got back.
Just knowing he was coming was enough.
I hear JVs lost 5mph on is stuff. 98 down to 93
I'm ready for these guys to go 20 and 5 thru June :smile:

I think it's a pretty easy decision actually. Continue to pitch Gallaraga until the league figures him out. Insert Gallaraga at the 4, put Willis at the 5 and send Robertson to either Toledo or the bully. He and Miner can sit down there and tell jokes to one another until we either get a 10-run lead or are down by 10 runs.

And it doesn't matter to me that Nate has a fairly big contract. He stinks. Now that I've written this, he'll pitch great against NY tonight.

'Course, the problem with sending Nate to the bully is that we already have Seay and Rapada down there and we would have to send someone else back to Toledo. So, with that in mind, trade Nate for a young catcher. 'Course, the problem with that is who wants to pay Nate $7 million per? I wouldn't give him $7 to wash my car.

I don't recall Nate ever being productive even during the W/S year of 2006. He is the lefty you throw out there just to see if you can score enough runs to beat the oppoosing teams' pitcher, but then the Tiger bats go quiet. I agree send him to the bullpen

I would wait with Nate to see if he can regain his frorm from a couple of years ago. He was decent enough to win, especially with these bats.

The problem is that we will have too many men on the roster.

With the addition of Willis and Porcelo, we need to get rid of 2 players. Trading Grilli for minor leaguers solves 1 spot. Now we need to open up another spot relatively quickly. Sending Robertson to the bullpen doesn't help.

This is why the Tigers are considering sending Galarraga to the minors until we can work out a real solution (like trading another player for minor leaguers). Galarraga still has minor league options, like Clete Thomas did.

If there were no rules, I would think that both of those guys would be on the roster for good at this point, given their performances.

The problem is that we will have too many men on the roster.

With the addition of Willis and Porcelo, we need to get rid of 2 players. Trading Grilli for minor leaguers solves 1 spot. Now we need to open up another spot relatively quickly. Sending Robertson to the bullpen doesn't help.

This is why the Tigers are considering sending Galarraga to the minors until we can work out a real solution (like trading another player for minor leaguers). Galarraga still has minor league options, like Clete Thomas did.

If there were no rules, I would think that both of those guys would be on the roster for good at this point, given their performances.
When is Porcello coming up to the majors? It may not happen this year. So it would be simple when Willis is back up to send Galarraga down.

Jason Grilli traded to make room for Francisco Cruceta | Freep.com | Detroit Free Press (http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080501/SPORTS02/805010428/1050/SPORTS)

Sorry, I meant Cruceta. I'm getting my vowel pitching prospects confused.

Here is why we have to add him:
The Tigers placed Cruceta on Major League Baseball's restricted list when the regular season started, meaning they now have two weeks to decide whether to add him to the 25-man roster, trade him or see if he can pass through waivers and stay in the Minors.

I guess he had some Visa problems for a while.


Just a quick observation too. We have 1 win less than the first place White Sox! If we play to our potential for a 20 game stretch, we can put some real seperation on the division.

When is Porcello coming up to the majors? It may not happen this year. So it would be simple when Willis is back up to send Galarraga down.

I just don't like the idea of sending the best pitcher at the moment down to the minors when Willis comes back, especially if 2 of your other starters are still struggling. It would be like sending Amir back to the D league last year and continuing to play Nazr. u no-whatamean-


I agree you pitch him until he fails a couple of times and the others show that they have regained their form and are earning their paycheck......heck it's early but we could be looking at the rookie of the year!!

I agree you pitch him until he fails a couple of times and the others show that they have regained their form and are earning their paycheck......heck it's early but we could be looking at the rookie of the year!!

I agree with you that he should keep on truckin.

But you would have to make a trade or waive a player. Who would that be?

I agree with you that he should keep on truckin.

But you would have to make a trade or waive a player. Who would that be?

Let me analyze the roster and get back with you. As I say to my boss, how much time do I have or what's my time frame?:)

I agree with you that he should keep on truckin.

But you would have to make a trade or waive a player. Who would that be?
I bet everyone would jump at a possibility of trading Miner. I would give Robertson more time to show that he can be effective, especially since the guy has a minor league option. Baseball is not only a sport, it's also a business.

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Sorry, I meant Cruceta. I'm getting my vowel pitching prospects confused.

Here is why we have to add him:


I guess he had some Visa problems for a while.


Just a quick observation too. We have 1 win less than the first place White Sox! If we play to our potential for a 20 game stretch, we can put some real seperation on the division.
I knew the rules, just that you're the second person in this thread indicated that Porcello is being called up. Since I haven't seen anything in the news I was wondering if you guys have some kind of inside info.
:hoops:

I knew the rules, just that you're the second person in this thread indicated that Porcello is being called up. Since I haven't seen anything in the news I was wondering if you guys have some kind of inside info.
:hoops:

No, I think that I saw that Porcello reference and unconsciously repeated it.

I come here for my inside information.

I think Sheff should be released, he's just too worn out.

What a night for DEEEETROIT sports! The Pistons & Wings (7-1 end of the 2nd) close out their respective playoff series with dominating wins...and the Tigers sweep a series in Yankee Stadium for the first time since 1966!

I'm exhausted and going to bed with a BIG smile :)

What a night for DEEEETROIT sports! The Pistons & Wings (7-1 end of the 2nd) close out their respective playoff series with dominating wins...and the Tigers sweep a series in Yankee Stadium for the first time since 1966!

I'm exhausted and going to bed with a BIG smile :)


May day, May Day, May day in Detroit >>>>Sweeps and close outs.. did the Shock play a preseason game today and win?? ....If WC Ford had fired Millen today then all of the Detroit teams could have celebrated:cheers:

Tigers are picking up steam. I wish the starters could come out strong out of the gate rather then spot an opponent an early lead and have to come back. This offense is capable, but why play from behind everytime?

Tigers are picking up steam. I wish the starters could come out strong out of the gate rather then spot an opponent an early lead and have to come back. This offense is capable, but why play from behind everytime?

I think its a sign of a smart baseball team, a starter may get thru the order once on us, but that 2nd and 3rd time our hitters are making the correct adjustments.

Don't look now but were only 1.5 out of the division lead. tied for wins.....

....If WC Ford had fired Millen today then all of the Detroit teams could have celebrated:cheers:




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First sweep of the Stinkees since '66 in NY, I think. As Borat would say, "Very niiiiiicccceeee."

Now on to my least favorite team (Minnesota Twins) in my least favortite park (the Metrodump)

Cruceta took Grilli's spot. Cruceta was the guy stuck down in the Dominican with the visa problem.

Right. And Willis is coming back. So someone else needs to go.

We're talking in circles here.

Right. And Willis is coming back. So someone else needs to go.

We're talking in circles here.

I apologize. I meant Cruceta instead of Porcelo earlier in the thread.

To solve this problem; waive or trade Sheff. He is done. Move Guillen to DH, Inge to third and run down the championship.

I am so sick and tired of Sh