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Superstarov
04-13-2008, 06:12 PM
I'd like to see game winning goals come back.

I think we could lump SHG and SHA into SHP. And the same with power play stuff too. It won't really change your stats much, but it'll give us less categories to win/lose.

I think we could possibly change from C, C, w, w, w, w to just 6 wingers. As long as we keep faceoff stats in the categories, people will still be encouraged to play/pick C's. But it'd give more flexibility on those nights when you don't have any C's playing, and you have to scratch a playing winger.

I would like to limit the number of roster moves. Is 40 too low?

I don't know if the commish tools will allow you to dictate that you carry a certain number of d-men. If everyone agrees to this, we could discipline with public humiliation for violators.

Since our league tends to be more scoring based, Darth and I had removed penalty minutes, but that's open for debate. To me, penalty minutes just don't seem like something to be proud of, because they ultimately put your team on the PK.

I'll try to keep an eye out here and keep track of what the concensus is.

Please add your thoughts.

Darth Tater
04-13-2008, 06:43 PM
I'd like to see game winning goals come back.

Agree. As many cats as possible, I say.

I think we could lump SHG and SHA into SHP. And the same with power play stuff too. It won't really change your stats much, but it'll give us less categories to win/lose.

Disagree. I like those cats.

I think we could possibly change from C, C, w, w, w, w to just 6 wingers. As long as we keep faceoff stats in the categories, people will still be encouraged to play/pick C's. But it'd give more flexibility on those nights when you don't have any C's playing, and you have to scratch a playing winger.

Strongly disagree. Why burden us with 4 defensemen yet take out the Centers? I'd rather take out a defensemen or two and give the option of using a C or a W. I like the scoring.

I would like to limit the number of roster moves. Is 40 too low?

Agree... but how about 45?

I don't know if the commish tools will allow you to dictate that you carry a certain number of d-men. If everyone agrees to this, we could discipline with public humiliation for violators.

Disagree. No to public humiliation unless nothing else works. We won't need it in hockey. Not with these guys! :)

Since our league tends to be more scoring based, Darth and I had removed penalty minutes, but that's open for debate. To me, penalty minutes just don't seem like something to be proud of, because they ultimately put your team on the PK.

Yeah, but you know, it would be another cat. I'm ok either way on that.

I'll try to keep an eye out here and keep track of what the concensus is.

Please add your thoughts.

Good thread idea!

Superstarov
04-13-2008, 06:58 PM
Realistically, we can blow up the model here and start from scratch.

The more input we get the better.

Can anyone other than Tater or I say that they will for sure be in next season?

Aside from that the issues so far are:
1. GWG
2. Merge SHA & SHG to SHP. Do same with PPG & PPA.
3. Removing C's from the line up and switching to 6 W's.
4. Limit roster moves, and to what number.
5. Number of d-men.
6. PIM

I also don't like how the last match-up of the playoffs is 2 weeks long. But I don't know if you can change that. I think it's because the very last week of the season doesn't end on a Sunday.

One person will be the "Commish", but it's all of our league, so we might as well address any concerns.

Anyone know anything about "hold em" leagues? Never done one before. What happens if someone drops out? I'm proposing this, I've always kind of wondered how they work.

Darth Tater
04-13-2008, 07:17 PM
Anyone know anything about "hold em" leagues? Never done one before. What happens if someone drops out? I'm proposing this, I've always kind of wondered how they work.

Fantasy hockey - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fantasy_hockey)

How To Start a Keeper League Hockey Pool (http://www.dobberhockey.com/content/view/189/54/)

Rules - Keeper Leagues (http://games.espn.go.com/content/fhl/2007/rules?page=ruleskeeperleagues)


I'd love to try a keeper league!!!

Superstarov
04-13-2008, 07:40 PM
Thanks for those links, I'll check them out on my lunch hour tomorrow.

How's this solution:

Go with C,C,W,W,W,W,W,W,D,D,D,D,G,G,.

Increase the roster size, so that you have more players on your team, and then bump the max moves up to 50 or 60 to allow for the extra players. That way you may be more willing to hold onto a player that is struggling, or a young player that has potential.

That way we could mandate 4 d-men and you can still get plenty of stats from forwards. I like keeping the d-men simply because they do contribute something, and it makes good ones more valuable.

Darth Tater
04-13-2008, 08:00 PM
Thanks for those links, I'll check them out on my lunch hour tomorrow.

How's this solution:

Go with C,C,W,W,W,W,W,W,D,D,D,D,G,G,.

Increase the roster size, so that you have more players on your team, and then bump the max moves up to 50 or 60 to allow for the extra players. That way you may be more willing to hold onto a player that is struggling, or a young player that has potential.

That way we could mandate 4 d-men and you can still get plenty of stats from forwards. I like keeping the d-men simply because they do contribute something, and it makes good ones more valuable.

Works for me, but that's a lot of wingers. I would suggest adding a C slot and subtracting a wing. Or also adding another Center with the wings. If we do this, though, we need to keep the league at ten teams max, most likely.

I also think 10 extra moves (rather than 20) is enough for the two extra positions because proportionately, people were talking about giving 40 or 45 for 12 players which is around 3.5 per player).

Superstarov
04-13-2008, 08:03 PM
Yeah, I agree, 10 teams max. 8 would even be fine if interest is low.

The W can be a C. I mean you can put a C in a W spot, it just doesn't work the other way around.

BillLaimbeer
04-13-2008, 08:46 PM
The W can be a C. I mean you can put a C in a W spot, it just doesn't work the other way around.


Really????

jammertime
04-13-2008, 08:52 PM
Really????
I second that.

REALLY???? I had no idea you could do that????

jammertime
04-13-2008, 09:00 PM
Realistically, we can blow up the model here and start from scratch.

The more input we get the better.

Can anyone other than Tater or I say that they will for sure be in next season?

Aside from that the issues so far are:
1. GWG
2. Merge SHA & SHG to SHP. Do same with PPG & PPA.
3. Removing C's from the line up and switching to 6 W's.
4. Limit roster moves, and to what number.
5. Number of d-men.
6. PIM

I also don't like how the last match-up of the playoffs is 2 weeks long. But I don't know if you can change that. I think it's because the very last week of the season doesn't end on a Sunday.

One person will be the "Commish", but it's all of our league, so we might as well address any concerns.

Anyone know anything about "hold em" leagues? Never done one before. What happens if someone drops out? I'm proposing this, I've always kind of wondered how they work.
I'm in for sure next season. I would LOVE to try a keeper league. I've never been in one and would love to give it a shot.

My thoughts on the topics:
1. GWG - I have no problem bringing this one back.

2. Merge SHA & SHG to SHP. Do same with PPG & PPA. - I'd be fine with this, but I'm also fine with them split up as they are now.

3. Removing C's from the line up and switching to 6 W's. - I'd rather keep the 2 C positions and change the RW and LW to 4 W and add a forward spot or two. That gives maximum flexibility IMO. I wouldn't want to add additional forward spots though. That would put too much emphasis on forwards and make D-men even more of a liability.

4. Limit roster moves, and to what number - My position on this subject is well documented and we've pretty much already agreed to a roster limit for next season. Anywhere from 25-55 would be fine with me. I think 40 would be a fair #.

5. Number of d-men - Four was ok, but going down to 3 would provide greater depth of free agent d-men. I'm against forcing teams to have D-men though. I think thats all part of the strategy. Just like I wouldn't force a team to have a goalie. If someone wants to go goalieless, that's fine with me.

6. PIM - I HATE this stat. I would not want to see it added. It is completely contrary to every other stat in the game.

Other stuff:
I'd also like to see the roster size increased by 2 (ish) and the rosters locked at the start of the playoffs. Dance with the ones that brought you. Adding a few roster spots would help to offset any injuries during the playoffs.

There was something else I wanted to add, but I can't remember now....

Darth Tater
04-13-2008, 09:11 PM
I'm in for sure next season. I would LOVE to try a keeper league. I've never been in one and would love to give it a shot.

My thoughts on the topics:
1. GWG - I have no problem bringing this one back.



2. Merge SHA & SHG to SHP. Do same with PPG & PPA. - I'd be fine with this, but I'm also fine with them split up as they are now.

3. Removing C's from the line up and switching to 6 W's. - I'd rather keep the 2 C positions and change the RW and LW to 4 W and add a forward spot or two. That gives maximum flexibility IMO. I wouldn't want to add additional forward spots though. That would put too much emphasis on forwards and make D-men even more of a liability.

4. Limit roster moves, and to what number - My position on this subject is well documented and we've pretty much already agreed to a roster limit for next season. Anywhere from 25-55 would be fine with me. I think 40 would be a fair #.

5. Number of d-men - Four was ok, but going down to 3 would provide greater depth of free agent d-men. I'm against forcing teams to have D-men though. I think thats all part of the strategy. Just like I wouldn't force a team to have a goalie. If someone wants to go goalieless, that's fine with me.

6. PIM - I HATE this stat. I would not want to see it added. It is completely contrary to every other stat in the game.

Other stuff:
I'd also like to see the roster size increased by 2 (ish) and the rosters locked at the start of the playoffs. Dance with the ones that brought you. Adding a few roster spots would help to offset any injuries during the playoffs.

There was something else I wanted to add, but I can't remember now....

Well, if Jammer didn't write this I would say it made sense. I need to reread it.

Superstarov
04-13-2008, 09:34 PM
Really????

I don't know actually, now that I'm thinking about that. Maybe I'm talking out of my...

Maybe it's forward or something, not W. I'll have to check into it.

Superstarov
04-13-2008, 09:39 PM
3. Removing C's from the line up and switching to 6 W's. - I'd rather keep the 2 C positions and change the RW and LW to 4 W and add a forward spot or two. That gives maximum flexibility IMO. I wouldn't want to add additional forward spots though. That would put too much emphasis on forwards and make D-men even more of a liability.


Again, I may have been totally telling stories here. It seems to me that there was a way to do something like this, but now I'm questioning myself. I think I mispoke when I said W, I think I was thinking Forward. I think there is a way to do that.

Woody
04-13-2008, 09:53 PM
I'll probably be in again next year. It's SOOOOOO much fun.

I'd like to drop SHA and SHG. They're too much of a crap shoot. Pure luck.
PPA and PPG are good as some players are better at these and they play the PP more often. People with Statwacker have an advantage in finding those guys. :) (I've never used statwacker).

A limit of 40 moves is O.K. as long as we freeze the rosters come playoffs.

We need centers for faceoffs. There are very, very few wingers who are good at faceoffs. Zetterberg and Iginla come to mind. The teams who have those guys are at a major advantage over everone else!

It would be nice to use extra centers in the winger postions, but not vice versa. The extra centers whould help with FWs, for those who don't have BrindA'mour and the like. That would make the draft less crucial for those of us with poor memories.

I would like to make the number of defensemen a requirement. I don't care if its, 2,3,or4.
Just so everyone is playing with the same deck. They're not a lot of really top notch defensemen, so limiting the number to two would limit someone from stockpiling all the good ones.

Maybe I'm limiting what some of you experts can do, but it would tend to equalize the teams, and make it more fun for everyone.

Darth Tater
04-13-2008, 10:23 PM
I'll probably be in again next year. It's SOOOOOO much fun.

I'd like to drop SHA and SHG. They're too much of a crap shoot. Pure luck.
PPA and PPG are good as some players are better at these and they play the PP more often. People with Statwacker have an advantage in finding those guys. :) (I've never used statwacker).

A limit of 40 moves is O.K. as long as we freeze the rosters come playoffs.

We need centers for faceoffs. There are very, very few wingers who are good at faceoffs. Zetterberg and Iginla come to mind. The teams who have those guys are at a major advantage over everone else!

It would be nice to use extra centers in the winger postions, but not vice versa. The extra centers whould help with FWs, for those who don't have BrindA'mour and the like. That would make the draft less crucial for those of us with poor memories.

I would like to make the number of defensemen a requirement. I don't care if its, 2,3,or4.
Just so everyone is playing with the same deck. They're not a lot of really top notch defensemen, so limiting the number to two would limit someone from stockpiling all the good ones.

Maybe I'm limiting what some of you experts can do, but it would tend to equalize the teams, and make it more fun for everyone.

If you equalize things and make it pretty much a crapshoot based on a good draft, I guess it will be more fun for those who don't put much effort into their teams. I personally admire and congratulate (and DID congratulate) Bezeach and Bill for the hard work they put into their teams on a daily basis this season. I'd rather base it on what is done daily than on whether or not I get a good draft spot.

LOL Woody. Statwacker" doesn't help you find guys who are good on the power play. It's simply the guys who play shorthanded to kill the penalties. Again, that takes doing your homework.

If we had a few more interested people, we could do an advanced & Novice hockey league. But we don't so we need to find something we can all live with and enjoy.

Again, I'll give my input, but I will be there no matter what. The rules don't matter. I will find a way...

Darth Tater
04-14-2008, 12:20 AM
Just make it a weekly lineup thing. That way those who choose to improve their team can tinker with their lineup, but can't make daily adjustments, and therefore cannot stream to get extra players.

jammertime
04-14-2008, 12:34 AM
Just make it a weekly lineup thing. That way those who choose to improve their team can tinker with their lineup, but can't make daily adjustments, and therefore cannot stream to get extra players.
The only problem with that is the injury factor. There are a lot more injuries in hockey than there are in baseball (except on your team Tater :stirthepot:).

Darth Tater
04-14-2008, 01:01 AM
The only problem with that is the injury factor. There are a lot more injuries in hockey than there are in baseball (except on your team Tater :stirthepot:).

Oh, that's just mean. Nevertheless true, though! :pound:


Well, I brought up that very fact myself a couple weeks ago (the injury factor), but you know man...I'm just at that point...:shout:

mikhail1973
04-14-2008, 02:57 AM
Count me in. I agree it was much fun.
Nay for the PIM
Fine with merging SHG and SHA
I like an idea of having 3 centers
40-45 moves should be plenty enough
GWG - lets bring those if the majority agrees
defenceman - I don't particularly care one way or another

Superstarov
04-14-2008, 07:41 AM
The only problem with that is the injury factor. There are a lot more injuries in hockey than there are in baseball (except on your team Tater :stirthepot:).

I'm not sure what you mean. :nerd2:

Superstarov
04-14-2008, 07:41 AM
Thanks for the input all.

roscoe36
04-14-2008, 08:05 AM
This is your leader speaking.

I'm in. I am happy with any format. I'm not really concerned with winning, so I don't spend a lot of time on (any) of my fantasy teams.

If you want to kick my butt, make the league complicated. If it's too simple, my superior GM skills will assert themselves and devastate any and all opponents.

End transmission.

bezeach
04-14-2008, 08:32 AM
I'd be in again, and any format is fine with me.

Darth Tater
04-14-2008, 09:55 AM
I'm not sure what you mean. :nerd2:

He means that in hockey a guy can get injured on a monday or tuesday and you won't be able to replace him until the next week. It happens fairly frequently in hockey.

The baseball reference was Jammer being his obnoxious and petty self and kicking me when I was down because my baseball team thinks it's a football team with all the injuries in the first two weeks of the season. :gun1::gun1::gun1:

round
04-14-2008, 10:43 AM
He means that in hockey a guy can get injured on a monday or tuesday and you won't be able to replace him until the next week. It happens fairly frequently in hockey.

The baseball reference was Jammer being his obnoxious and petty self and kicking me when I was down because my baseball team thinks it's a football team with all the injuries in the first two weeks of the season. :gun1::gun1::gun1:

blah blah blah.... nobody touches me for injuries..... i would have been better off making sure i didn't draft anybody in the top 100 players..... OF SS 3rd injuried and the few folks who arn't injured i kinda wish would be lol

Superstarov
04-14-2008, 02:43 PM
He means that in hockey a guy can get injured on a monday or tuesday and you won't be able to replace him until the next week. It happens fairly frequently in hockey.

I guess I don't like the idea of weekly. But limitting overall roster moves should keep people from streaming their players, right?

Superstarov
04-14-2008, 03:10 PM
Fantasy hockey - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fantasy_hockey)

How To Start a Keeper League Hockey Pool (http://www.dobberhockey.com/content/view/189/54/)

Rules - Keeper Leagues (http://games.espn.go.com/content/fhl/2007/rules?page=ruleskeeperleagues)


I'd love to try a keeper league!!!

I checked these out and still didn't find a ton of info on what happens if someone leaves, but I think it happens, so they have provisions for it.

It looks like it can get pretty complex though. You can institue salary caps and whatnot, which kind of takes away the fantasy if you ask me.

Before we go any further, is anyone opposed the the idea of a keeper league, and does anyone have any concerns about it.

roscoe36
04-14-2008, 03:12 PM
Dispersal draft if someone leaves. Happened all of the time in the CFL during the 90s. :(

Woody
04-14-2008, 06:57 PM
I don't know what a "keeper" league is.

I don't like the idea of a weekly league. I didn't like it in baseball and I don't think I would like it in hockey. Its not necessary, and its very frustrating when someone is hurt or playing poorly and you can't dump him.

I think the idea of doing a lot of homework is for the guys like Tater. Personally, I got fed up with homework when I was in college, 50 years ago. I'm retired now, have the time, but homework??? Get a life!!!

:pound::pound:

jammertime
04-14-2008, 07:42 PM
I'd be interested in giving a keeper league a try.

mikhail1973
04-14-2008, 08:20 PM
What is a keeper league?

Darth Tater
04-14-2008, 08:43 PM
I'd be interested in giving a keeper league a try.

Keeper leagues take a lot of work. Especially by the commissioner, I think. People aren't going to like that, I'm afraid.

Maybe we can penalize the owners who spend more than 10 minutes a week working on their teams by not letting them set their lineups the following week and taking away 5 free agent moves or something. That will help balance things out.

jammertime
04-14-2008, 09:05 PM
Keeper leagues take a lot of work. Especially by the commissioner, I think. People aren't going to like that, I'm afraid.
So where's the problem? I'm not commissioner. :pound:

I don't really know a lot about keeper leagues. I thought it was basically the same as any other league, but you were able to keep a specific # of players from year to year.

If that's all there is to it, the added work would be mostly limited to a bit more prep work during the off season (but I could be wrong, I've never been in one before).

I like the idea of one for the fact that it adds some more strategy to the equation. Short term slumps and long term injuries would play a bigger role and it would force GMs to really consider things before making roster moves.

But I'm also happy with the current way we do things. If it's too much work, I'm fine with what we have now. (since Darth isn't man enough to give it a go)

BillLaimbeer
04-14-2008, 10:05 PM
Keeper league would be fun. You know I wouldn't have dropped Dany Heatley in the last week if it was a keeper league...

Actually, in a keeper league, I would have had tougher decisions about dropping Mat Sundin and Rob Brind'mour when they had season-ending injuries.

Superstarov
04-15-2008, 01:39 PM
Maybe we'll keep the keeper league as a secondary option. If we get the normal league up and running, then maybe more serious players may want to commit to an additonal keeper league.

So, for now I'd say let's stick with the current format, and if there is enough interest in a keeper league we can address that later.

And I don't know that it was ever a real suggestion, but it seems pretty clear that weekly line-up changes are unpopular.

Darth Tater
04-15-2008, 02:30 PM
Maybe we'll keep the keeper league as a secondary option. If we get the normal league up and running, then maybe more serious players may want to commit to an additonal keeper league.

So, for now I'd say let's stick with the current format, and if there is enough interest in a keeper league we can address that later.

And I don't know that it was ever a real suggestion, but it seems pretty clear that weekly line-up changes are unpopular.

Sounded to me like there was lots of interest in the keeper...

BillLaimbeer
04-15-2008, 03:33 PM
Sounded to me like there was lots of interest in the keeper...

Yea, keeper league sounds fun. Let's do it!!

roscoe36
04-15-2008, 04:07 PM
I don't want to do anything that excludes Woody. So you guys should help sell him on keeper leagues if that's your thing.

Btw, everyone cheering for Keeper Leagues better be prepared to be a Commish!

mikhail1973
04-15-2008, 04:13 PM
I don't want to do anything that excludes Woody. So you guys should help sell him on keeper leagues if that's your thing.

Btw, everyone cheering for Keeper Leagues better be prepared to be a Commish!
What is a keeper league?

roscoe36
04-15-2008, 04:15 PM
Simple explanation, you keep your roster, season to season. You actually manage a franchise, not just coach one year at a time.

BillLaimbeer
04-15-2008, 04:41 PM
I don't want to do anything that excludes Woody. So you guys should help sell him on keeper leagues if that's your thing.

Btw, everyone cheering for Keeper Leagues better be prepared to be a Commish!

I agree we need to keep Woody. It's good to have an automatic win every few weeks. :pound::pound::pound:

Actually, since Woody doesn't like homework, a keeper league would make more sense for him. You're not going to be making drastic moves in a keeper league.

I thought Darth was the Commish. He can screw things up with the best of them.




"Darth for NHL Commish - 2008"

mikhail1973
04-15-2008, 05:09 PM
Simple explanation, you keep your roster, season to season. You actually manage a franchise, not just coach one year at a time.
That's cool. I could do that.

round
04-15-2008, 05:38 PM
I'd always wanted to do one in baseball... makes decisions on who to cut and who to keep much more interesting... you also draft each year looking ahead. I would asume you need a bit larger of a rooster so you can have room for injuried players so you don't have to cut that super star who has the season ending injury. again speaking from baseball... ive seen folks keeping anywhere from 4-15 roster spots from year to year. Would be lots of fun. Only tried hockey once and even though i enjoy watching it more then a baseball game, i found the hockey league not as much fun as baseball... But it was a bad league where nobody would even other to reply to a post let alone both to reject/accept a trade offer.

jammertime
04-15-2008, 06:00 PM
You'll find the opposite problem around here round. You'll wish that the other managers will STOP talking! :pound::pound::pound:

Woody
04-15-2008, 06:15 PM
I'm not opposed to a keeper league. I'll play whatever.

MY problem is I can't remember who I have week to week let alone year to year. Plus the fact that all the guys I had two years ago were lousy this past year. I need a new team about once per month.

Now, if I can go back a couple of years to when I had Lidstrom, Iginla, and Brind'Amour, and Vanek was playing well, and I had Broduer and .......

Well, Whatever...

:pound::pound:

mikhail1973
04-15-2008, 07:04 PM
Who needs to remember anything? Isn't this for fun first and foremost?

roscoe36
04-15-2008, 07:06 PM
I mostly play to watch Red Light, TatoHead and Sweepy bicker all season. :)

Woody
04-15-2008, 11:21 PM
A question.

If its a keeper league, and the top teams get to keep all their best players, how do the bottom feeders ever catchup?? I mean their only so many really good players and since you don't start over at draft time, the best teams will slowly get stronger and the worst teams will have no way to catch up. New teams will be at a real disadvantage.

A fresh draft of EVERYBODY each year means that even if your draft sucks one year, you get a chance to do it right the next time.

Am I missing something??? :)

round
04-15-2008, 11:43 PM
A question.

If its a keeper league, and the top teams get to keep all their best players, how do the bottom feeders ever catchup?? I mean their only so many really good players and since you don't start over at draft time, the best teams will slowly get stronger and the worst teams will have no way to catch up. New teams will be at a real disadvantage.

A fresh draft of EVERYBODY each year means that even if your draft sucks one year, you get a chance to do it right the next time.

Am I missing something??? :)

not an expert here... but you don't get to keep all your players, and its a reverse draft in the following years... so the worst team gets the best player out there...

Darth Tater
04-15-2008, 11:45 PM
A question.

If its a keeper league, and the top teams get to keep all their best players, how do the bottom feeders ever catchup?? I mean their only so many really good players and since you don't start over at draft time, the best teams will slowly get stronger and the worst teams will have no way to catch up. New teams will be at a real disadvantage.

A fresh draft of EVERYBODY each year means that even if your draft sucks one year, you get a chance to do it right the next time.

Am I missing something??? :)

I've never been in a keeper, but I think it works something like you get to keep 4 players. Then if you keep extra, you lose your top draft choices. Something like that.

But you bring up a good point woody. I think somebody has to keep track and I think that somebody is the commissioner. I doubt we can get a volunteer to commish, but yeah, a keeper would be very cool.

So in a keeper, Hasek & Brodeur lose value and rookies with potential gain value. It would be new to all of us. The commissioner (NOT ME) would have their work cut out for them explaining it.

BillLaimbeer
04-16-2008, 12:29 AM
I've never been in a keeper, but I think it works something like you get to keep 4 players. Then if you keep extra, you lose your top draft choices. Something like that.

But you bring up a good point woody. I think somebody has to keep track and I think that somebody is the commissioner. I doubt we can get a volunteer to commish, but yeah, a keeper would be very cool.

So in a keeper, Hasek & Brodeur lose value and rookies with potential gain value. It would be new to all of us. The commissioner (NOT ME) would have their work cut out for them explaining it.


Just browsing around the Internet, most of the keeper leagues that I saw allowed managers to keep 7 players from one year to the next.

jammertime
04-16-2008, 12:43 AM
I've never been in a keeper, but I think it works something like you get to keep 4 players. Then if you keep extra, you lose your top draft choices. Something like that.

But you bring up a good point woody. I think somebody has to keep track and I think that somebody is the commissioner. I doubt we can get a volunteer to commish, but yeah, a keeper would be very cool.

So in a keeper, Hasek & Brodeur lose value and rookies with potential gain value. It would be new to all of us. The commissioner (ME, ME, PICK ME!! OVER HERE! I'LL DO IT!) would have their work cut out for them explaining it.
Nice of you to volunteer Darth. :pound:

Darth Tater
04-16-2008, 10:15 AM
Nice of you to volunteer Darth. :pound:

I'd like to be the first to volunteer to join the forces planning to invade and destroy Cannuckia this summer. I think about 15 soldiers should be enough to guarantee a victory.

I hate Jammer!

Darth Tater
04-16-2008, 10:32 AM
Needed: ONE HOCKEY COMMISSIONER.

Desired qualities:

1.Intelligent

2. Able and willing to spend the time and effort necessary to make the league fun yet competitive.

3. Won't put up with nonsense, but hasn't already ticked off half the league.


IMO there are two candidates who would be ideal...if willing, that is.

mikhail1973
04-16-2008, 12:23 PM
Needed: ONE HOCKEY COMMISSIONER.

Desired qualities:

1.Intelligent

2. Able and willing to spend the time and effort necessary to make the league fun yet competitive.

3. Won't put up with nonsense, but hasn't already ticked off half the league.


IMO there are two candidates who would be ideal...if willing, that is.

That's interesting. I could give it a try, but I have no clue what it entails. :sssh:

Darth Tater
04-16-2008, 01:34 PM
That's interesting. I could give it a try, but I have no clue what it entails. :sssh:

That's ok Mikhail. None of us have a clue, I think.

But anyone interested should probably do a bit of research before volunteering so they don't bite of more than they can/are willing to chew. :hungry:

I'm not willing to do it myself, but if the commissioner asks for my assistance, I'll be happy to help them try to figure it all out, or help in any other way I can. :)

mikhail1973
04-16-2008, 01:59 PM
That's ok Mikhail. None of us have a clue, I think.

But anyone interested should probably do a bit of research before volunteering so they don't bite of more than they can/are willing to chew. :hungry:

I'm not willing to do it myself, but if the commissioner asks for my assistance, I'll be happy to help them try to figure it all out, or help in any other way I can. :)
I think first and foremost we have to decide whether we want to have a keeper league. Then people who may want to become a commish would have a better idea since keeper league involves more work on his part. Also, do we want to continue from the league we just completed or should we start from scratch? And we need to all agree on the stats used.

Superstarov
04-16-2008, 02:01 PM
I think with a keeper league, the biggest commitment is setting it up each year, and possibly tracking down someone to replace people who've dropped out. The rules will, by September, have been discussed at nausium, so there shouldn't be a ton of judgement calls.

From what I've seen the leagues are highly customizable, and you can make the number of players you keep whatever you want it to be. I've seen as low as 2 and as high as 10.

I'm not voulenteering, because I've already ticked off half the league. And, aside from that, I am away from home 10+ hours a day, and I think my wife would prefer I spend my home time with her and my son, and not screwing with something on the computer.

But, I'm down with a keeper league, and ticking off the rest of the people in the league by doing well.

mikhail1973
04-16-2008, 02:06 PM
Do we stick with 10 teams?
I guess we can start working on the list of possible managers at this point. Who will join the keeper league?
I guess Superstarov is on board, and you can count me in.

Superstarov
04-16-2008, 02:13 PM
I think first and foremost we have to decide whether we want to have a keeper league. Then people who may want to become a commish would have a better idea since keeper league involves more work on his part. Also, do we want to continue from the league we just completed or should we start from scratch? And we need to all agree on the stats used.

I think the stats will work themselves out, as we've been discussing them.

And I think, personally, we should start rosters from scratch, because drafting for a keeper league is a different strategy.

If we go with a normal head-to-head league, I'd voulenteer as commish, because it doesn't really demand too much time. You just have to check your email a few times a day.

Darth Tater
04-16-2008, 02:19 PM
Do we stick with 10 teams?
I guess we can start working on the list of possible managers at this point. Who will join the keeper league?
I guess Superstarov is on board, and you can count me in.

Mikhail:
Jammer, Bill, Woody, Super, Roscoe (I think) & myself have already gone on record saying we'll be in.

I like your ideas in your previous post.



Super: You've only pissed off a third of the league. I've pissed off HALF!!! :pound:

Superstarov
04-16-2008, 02:22 PM
Mikhail:
Jammer, Bill, Woody, Super, Roscoe (I think) & myself have already gone on record saying we'll be in.

I like your ideas in your previous post.



Super: You've only pissed off a third of the league. I've pissed off HALF!!! :pound:

I've sent RedLine an email to ask him to weigh in on this. He has been in both of the previous leagues, so if he'd like to, we should save him a spot too.

These leagues tend to be deeper (which we already discussed), but I think you certainly don't want more than 10 teams.

mikhail1973
04-16-2008, 02:22 PM
Mikhail:
Jammer, Bill, Woody, Super, Roscoe (I think) & myself have already gone on record saying we'll be in.

I like your ideas in your previous post.



Super: You've only pissed off a third of the league. I've pissed off HALF!!! :pound:
So this is what we've got so far:

1. Jammer
2. Bill
3. Woody
4. Superstarov
5. Roscoe
6. Darth
7. Mik

I know it is kind of early, but I want to make sure that we have enough prep time and not scrambling around at the latter stages. This way we have enough time to discuss exactly how we will set it all up.

Superstarov
04-16-2008, 02:32 PM
So this is what we've got so far:

1. Jammer
2. Bill
3. Woody
4. Superstarov
5. Roscoe
6. Darth
7. Mik
8. RedLine

I know it is kind of early, but I want to make sure that we have enough prep time and not scrambling around at the latter stages. This way we have enough time to discuss exactly how we will set it all up.

I added RedLine, because he'll more than likely play, and he's a good manager. But it may take him a few days to weigh in.

Darth Tater
04-16-2008, 02:33 PM
So this is what we've got so far:

1. Jammer
2. Bill
3. Woody
4. Superstarov
5. Roscoe
6. Darth
7. Mik

I know it is kind of early, but I want to make sure that we have enough prep time and not scrambling around at the latter stages. This way we have enough time to discuss exactly how we will set it all up.

Good idea.

I'm pretty sure if you track down bezeach he will be up to defend his championship. I'm sure my friend from outside the league (or another friend) will join too, but maybe we should try to fill it up from within the forum first.

Superstarov
04-16-2008, 02:43 PM
Good idea.

I'm pretty sure if you track down bezeach he will be up to defend his championship. I'm sure my friend from outside the league (or another friend) will join too, but maybe we should try to fill it up from within the forum first.

Well, that'd make 10.

With bezeach and one of your friends.

If someone has been excluded we can work it out.

BillLaimbeer
04-16-2008, 03:14 PM
I think we should try to get all of the details finalized by at least this Friday. There are barely 6 months left before the season starts.

mikhail1973
04-16-2008, 03:57 PM
I think we should try to get all of the details finalized by at least this Friday. There are barely 6 months left before the season starts.
Laugh all you want, Bill, but you know how things go if you put them on the backburner. It will sit there until it burns a hole in your arse because the season is about to begin and nothing has been decided.

:pound:

Darth Tater
04-16-2008, 05:19 PM
Laugh all you want, Bill, but you know how things go if you put them on the backburner. It will sit there until it burns a hole in your arse because the season is about to begin and nothing has been decided.

:pound:

He's just kidding Mikhail. It's early, but part of the problem last time was that we didn't have time to really think it through. This is a good idea.

mikhail1973
04-16-2008, 05:50 PM
He's just kidding Mikhail. It's early, but part of the problem last time was that we didn't have time to really think it through. This is a good idea.
I know he's kidding. I have to spin it too, comon. This is all about having fun.
:MusicBigGrin:

Woody
04-16-2008, 06:13 PM
I'm having SO much fun reading all these posts. Don't you all have anything/one to talk to???


:pound::pound:

mikhail1973
04-16-2008, 06:32 PM
I'm having SO much fun reading all these posts. Don't you all have anything/one to talk to???


:pound::pound:
I am just bored at work today. Too much financial stuff going on around.
:reading:

bezeach
04-16-2008, 06:45 PM
Good idea.

I'm pretty sure if you track down bezeach he will be up to defend his championship. I'm sure my friend from outside the league (or another friend) will join too, but maybe we should try to fill it up from within the forum first.
I'm definitely in...

jammertime
04-16-2008, 08:52 PM
And I think, personally, we should start rosters from scratch, because drafting for a keeper league is a different strategy.
Absolutely agree. We'd definitely have to have a fresh draft for a keeper league. Bill alone lost out on several of the best players in the league this season that he'd never have dropped had it been a keeper league. Drafting for keeps is an entirely different animal altogether (IMO anyway, since I've never been in one before).

I know it is kind of early, but I want to make sure that we have enough prep time and not scrambling around at the latter stages. This way we have enough time to discuss exactly how we will set it all up.
I just got off the phone with Guinness World Records, we've officially set a new record for the earliest call for participants in a fantasy sports league!:pound::pound::pound:

I'm sure my friend from outside the league (or another friend) will join too, but maybe we should try to fill it up from within the forum first.Careful there Darth. For a minute there you almost made it seem like you actually had real life friends.:stirthepot:

I think we should try to get all of the details finalized by at least this Friday. There are barely 6 months left before the season starts.
I agree. We're cutting it a bit close. I mean, we're already half way through the first round of the playoffs of the season before our fantasy season starts! :lol:

Superstarov
04-18-2008, 07:30 AM
Redline confirmed that he is in, and down with a keeper league.

BillLaimbeer
04-18-2008, 01:29 PM
Redline confirmed that he is in, and down with a keeper league.


Yea, keeper league sounds like a lot of fun. I'm down with that, too. :)