Same time same place

tv: ESPN 8:30PM

Hopefully the Pistons will make the necessary adjustments.

We win at a 95% clip when AA plays in the first half. We lose at a 50% clip when he doesn't. Quit screwing with fate and get him in the game in the first half.

I don't care if it is fate, luck, voodoo etc. These are the stats. Don't mess with it and get him in the game. I don't care if you stand him in the corner picking his nose. Getting him in gives us a win more times then not.

What is so hard to understand? :stirthepot:

If we don't play Amir and AA, we will lose in the first second third round.

We are still the archetype for dominance. This is going to be a long, drawn-out blood bath.

If we don't play Amir and AA, we will lose in the first second third round.

We are still the archetype for dominance. This is going to be a long, drawn-out blood bath.

All I am saying is that there is some power greater then us all that has decided that when he plays; we win 95% of the time. It can't be explained but if he plays the next game; and we win...?

Isn't the ultimate goal to win?

All I am saying is that there is some power greater then us all that has decided that when he plays; we win 95% of the time. It can't be explained but if he plays the next game; and we win...?

Isn't the ultimate goal to win?
I'm on your side honestly. AA is one of my fav players, although I think Amir is terribly overrated.

GO PISTONS!!!! :D

although I think Amir is terribly overrated.




Thats why he needs to stay on the inactive for the rest of the year, so Joe can get more than he is worth for him this summer.

I don't know about the rest of you but it is starting to get tiring trying to cling to a players hype when their on court performance is embarrassingly lacking in comparison.

For once I wish Joe would take advantage of the situation and swindle someone into giving up more than they should for one of our unproven guys before their stock drops.

Amir's on-court performance has ranged from good to absolutely fantastic.

Flip's inability to spot talent (defensive talent esp) and refusal to play him does not make him overrated.

Also if you saw when he was getting consistent PT, he was getting more and more comfortable and started to relax and not press at all. He was playing great, and then UTAH happened where he was yanked for no reason.

Ever since then Flip's been jerking him around. Amir is not Darko. Darko has some sort of mental block that Amir has shown absolutely no sign of. In fact his attitude has been the opposite, ad he's showed a maturity beyond someone his age in handling an obviously sucky situation.

Personally, i wish we'd stop hearing about potential and play the players already. This refusal to do is just contributing to the frustrating "hype".

Amir's on-court performance has ranged from good to absolutely fantastic.

Flip's inability to spot talent (defensive talent esp) and refusal to play him does not make him overrated.

Also if you saw when he was getting consistent PT, he was getting more and more comfortable and started to relax and not press at all. He was playing great, and then UTAH happened where he was yanked for no reason.

Ever since then Flip's been jerking him around. Amir is not Darko. Darko has some sort of mental block that Amir has shown absolutely no sign of. In fact his attitude has been the opposite, ad he's showed a maturity beyond someone his age in handling an obviously sucky situation.

Personally, i wish we'd stop hearing about potential and play the players already. This refusal to do is just contributing to the frustrating "hype".

I agree with you 100%, I've just given up the impossible task of convincing the virtual masses. So far, all indications are that Amir rises to the occasion when he is rewarded with playing time. He dives for loose balls, blocks shots, rebounds, makes unselfish passes, gets put back baskets, etc. He's pure energy, which most coaches love. He's the kind of player that LB would have rewarded with real PT. Darvin Ham with benefits.

:pound:If we don't play Amir and AA, we will lose in the first second third round.

We are still the archetype for dominance. This is going to be a long, drawn-out blood bath.
:pound:

Yea, whatever happend to accountability.

9.65 DR
CB should just stand at the arc and drain 3s on off.
We shot like 37% and was still in the last game.
43% and we win.
Open the Reserve.

Amir's on-court performance has ranged from good to absolutely fantastic.
:rolleyes:

Amir can play good at times. Disappear at others. Foul himself into oblivion with depressing regularity.

I listened to the Big O on Rome today, and it made me think of Amir. Some guys can't transition to the big show where they are not the biggest, the fastest or most athletic. In the NBDL, Amir was a giant among scrubs. In the NBA, he's at best a 9th man.

I hope Lee gets you for that.

I wanted Amir to make an impact this year soooooooo... bad. My belief is that he sits because he fouls too easily and then becomes a non-factor too often. Better luch next year. Put on the weight... :burgereater:

I hope Lee gets you for that.
You are so cute. Buddy.

:hoops:

You are so cute. Buddy.

:hoops:

He's not your buddy, guy!

:rolleyes:

Amir can play good at times. Disappear at others. Foul himself into oblivion with depressing regularity.

I listened to the Big O on Rome today, and it made me think of Amir. Some guys can't transition to the big show where they are not the biggest, the fastest or most athletic. In the NBDL, Amir was a giant among scrubs. In the NBA, he's at best a 9th man.

Those fouls are a product of his lack of PT, over exuberant youth which is exacerbated by lack of PT, and the fact that our perimeter defense is crap, and instead of letting everyone score like Dice, and (sometimes) Sheed do, he tries to contest. Also i can't even remember all the fouls he picked up that could solely be attributed to Arvis.

When he got consistent PT, his fouls went down. When his PT got taken away and he got these 2 min stints to impact the game when the game was already over, he started pressing again.

He hasn't seen enough time to warrant that 9th man distinction, and wouldn't it be nice if we could stop arguing about what Amir can/can't do, and actually see on the court ?

Flip seems to think if he plays Amir, the Celts would win the entire series is those 6 min.

edited to add;

At least the players seem to get that this loss was on the defense not the offense . . .

Detroit disappointed in defensive effort vs. Celtics - Detroit Pistons Basketball: News, Blogs, Photos, Audio, Schedule & Stats - MLive.com (http://www.mlive.com/pistons/index.ssf/2008/05/detroit_disappointed_in_defens.html#comments)


They play better offensively, they win right?

Well, not exactly.

The need to be more efficient offensively is not lost on the Pistons players. But what has been overlooked in the disappointment and struggles in their Game 1 loss, was a defensive effort that was lacking on several fronts.

"You can't play defense like we did in Game 1 against a team as good as Boston, and expect to win," Detroit guard Lindsey Hunter said. "That's not going to get it done."


Now if only we can get Flip to play AA on Rondo/Perice specifically.

I think this amir-hype was brought in to create excited atmosphere: overall it has been same starting5 for years and fans needed "fresh" stories.

But hype has never materialized and fans blame coach for that.

But nobody asked fans to buy hype...

I want to do a poll about who will be here in the next years.
Amir is gone. Had to go Darko for min. AA same. Stuck = Houston.
I hope I'm wrong.

Those fouls are a product of his lack of PT, over exuberant youth which is exacerbated by lack of PT, and the fact that our perimeter defense is crap, and instead of letting everyone score like Dice, and (sometimes) Sheed do, he tries to contest. Also i can't even remember all the fouls he picked up that could solely be attributed to Arvis.
As I've said before, I like Amir and want to see him out there too, but he really does foul a lot and it's a major flaw in his game. He was in constant foul trouble in the D-League last year, and that was when he was starting and tearing up the league. He's one of the league leaders in fouls per minute this year. Lots of guys learn how to play D without getting into foul trouble. Amir needs to get stronger and play more under control or he's never going to get reliable minutes.

So how does that work, you got 5 min. to use and 5 fouls to use. Free chili ?
He blocks as well as anyone.

I want to do a poll about who will be here in the next years.
Amir is gone. Had to go Darko for min. AA same. Stuck = Houston.
I hope I'm wrong.

Only Okur has been a player from "GM dumars era" pistons camp, who has really blossomed elsewhere. But he could have left anyway( I really do not want to reopen this discussion). Delfino, keep that in mind, has a contract year, so he decided to go to team where he could pump his stats for fatter contract. Ben Wallace is 50% what he was here.

So only three players from dumars GM era have some meaningful impact in their new teams. Oh yes, some " I, as a rookie, was treated unjustifily by detriot coaches and therefore my development stopped" players have tried to prove that in new surrounding they can do , but they have failed. I think this blows widespread theory here how pistons coaches hate their( rookie) players.

Rax I just hate losing talent or seeing it waste away, for whatever reason.

So how does that work, you got 5 min. to use and 5 fouls to use. Free chili ?
He blocks as well as anyone.

What's worse? 5 fouls in 8-10 minutes of play or a lay up line to the Pistons hoop? If some of our other players took a cue from him and put some players on their arses we may see them think twice before prancing into the paint.

Even if Amir doesn't get the block; he has the opposition looking for him to avoid the block or the hard foul they know is coming. That is Piston Basketball!!!! :football:

What's worse? 5 fouls in 8-10 minutes of play or a lay up line to the Pistons hoop? If some of our other players took a cue from him and put some players on their arses we may see them think twice before prancing into the paint.

Even if Amir doesn't get the block; he has the opposition looking for him to avoid the block or the hard foul they know is coming. That is Piston Basketball!!!! :football:

its not just the 5 fouls he does in the 10 mins... its the fact that those 5 fouls put the other team at the ft line early in the quarters... The bench played more then well enough in game one... well besides what I felt was a lack of energy out of max. but the veterns off the bench held there own thats what you want out of your bench on the road... bench keeps you even and the starters win the games. Thats what there paid to do. If our starters can't do better then -14 (which 3 of our starters were or worse) for the game, were never going to win any playoff game. end of story.

I think this amir-hype was brought in to create excited atmosphere: overall it has been same starting5 for years and fans needed "fresh" stories.

But hype has never materialized and fans blame coach for that.

But nobody asked fans to buy hype...

How has it not materialized when he's played well overall? He was a major part, as well as AA, of that great West Coast swing we had, and in general was a contributer in the games he played extensive min.

His defense, rebounding, and hustle was lauded not only by fans, but by HIS coach who said those are the things he needs to do to get minutes then promptly stopped playing him, and who also waxed poetic on the greatness of Afflalo but still manages to find ways to take him out of the rotation even though he successfully guarded LBJ, who is much tougher than Pierce. Pierce will rarely be able to get around AA. That's a gauruntee.

You can see his talent on the court, and the coach REFUSES to play him to the point where he takes away min he deserves, gives them to a guys that just joined the team, and then to add insult plays Hermann over him. He can't even get 2 min when we're getting blown out in the PO's!

This is not a fantasy in people's heads. It's based on actually seeing him play, and the reason it's stressed so much is b/c Flip seems to have some sort of vendetta against playing him.

I really truly believe he belives that the world will explode if Amir steps on the court.

I mean really what will happen if you put Amir in in the 2nd quarter. We will get outscored? blown out? Doubt it. Besides, the starters are doing a good enough job of f'ing it up all by themselves already, but let's just keep playing them and hope. Great strategy.

edited to add;

This is not directed specifically at you. I'm just frustrated. And if/when we lose this series, i won't be the only one.

Good discussion of Amir on this thread. I don't think he'll be a factor in this series. Even if he does play, Flip's MO is still to go with the vets even when bench guys have shown "flashes." That being said, I'd like to see him get some minutes. I never like to wonder "what if." But given that the stakes are higher (it's the ECF), I think Flip continues with "safe" personnel decisions. Also, I don't think Amir will be traded. I think Dumars likes the kid and feels differently about him than he did about the Serbian gangsta. If Detroit loses to Boston, I think Flip should be traded.

A bigger question: Which Jason Maxiell is gonna show up tonight? Can this guy perform outside the Palace?

How has it not materialized when he's played well overall? He was a major part, as well as AA, of that great West Coast swing we had, and in general was a contributer in the games he played extensive min.

His defense, rebounding, and hustle was lauded not only by fans, but by HIS coach who said those are the things he needs to do to get minutes then promptly stopped playing him, and who also waxed poetic on the greatness of Afflalo but still manages to find ways to take him out of the rotation even though he successfully guarded LBJ, who is much tougher than Pierce. Pierce will rarely be able to get around AA. That's a gauruntee.

You can see his talent on the court, and the coach REFUSES to play him to the point where he takes away min he deserves, gives them to a guys that just joined the team, and then to add insult plays Hermann over him. He can't even get 2 min when we're getting blown out in the PO's!

This is not a fantasy in people's heads. It's based on actually seeing him play, and the reason it's stressed so much is b/c Flip seems to have some sort of vendetta against playing him.

I really truly believe he belives that the world will explode if Amir steps on the court.

I mean really what will happen if you put Amir in in the 2nd quarter. We will get outscored? blown out? Doubt it. Besides, the starters are doing a good enough job of f'ing it up all by themselves already, but let's just keep playing them and hope. Great strategy.

edited to add;

This is not directed specifically at you. I'm just frustrated. And if/when we lose this series, i won't be the only one.

If we lose this series, I'm ready to blame absolutely everyone( except for myself, of course), so I hear you!

It's not about Amir, AA or anyone, it's about the head coach. Flip is not the one who capable to go beyond conference semifinal, he's not the one who willing to groom young players without a name, he's not the one who capable to know his players. I don't trust this guy, I wish I'm wrong but I doubt.

The Pistons have played 12 playoff games so far. Amir has played in 6 of those games, but in only 2 of them games has he played more than 6 minutes. His totals from those 6 games are 41 mins., 11 rebs., 0 stls., 2 blks. and 7 fouls.

IMO, at this point he needs at least 10 minutes in the game (and not garbage time) to get up to playoff pace.

But even beyond that, we allowed < 90 points in Game 1. We needed better offensive execution, not defense. Amir brings nothing on the offensive end other than the possibility for put-backs because his man cheats so far off of him defensively.

I do prefer to see Chauncey/Rip/AA rotations than Chauncey/Lindsey/Rip, if only so that Rip isn't forced to defend Pierce.

The Pistons have played 12 playoff games so far. Amir has played in 6 of those games, but in only 2 of them games has he played more than 6 minutes. His totals from those 6 games are 41 mins., 11 rebs., 0 stls., 2 blks. and 7 fouls.

IMO, at this point he needs at least 10 minutes in the game (and not garbage time) to get up to playoff pace.

But even beyond that, we allowed < 90 points in Game 1. We needed better offensive execution, not defense. Amir brings nothing on the offensive end other than the possibility for put-backs because his man cheats so far off of him defensively.

I do prefer to see Chauncey/Rip/AA rotations than Chauncey/Lindsey/Rip, if only so that Rip isn't forced to defend Pierce.

Defense creates offense.

It's not about Amir, AA or anyone, it's about the head coach. Flip is not the one who capable to go beyond conference semifinal, he's not the one who willing to groom young players without a name, he's not the one who capable to know his players. I don't trust this guy, I wish I'm wrong but I doubt.

This is a great point, and probably the basis for alot of frustration.

its not just the 5 fouls he does in the 10 mins... its the fact that those 5 fouls put the other team at the ft line early in the quarters... The bench played more then well enough in game one... well besides what I felt was a lack of energy out of max. but the veterns off the bench held there own thats what you want out of your bench on the road... bench keeps you even and the starters win the games. Thats what there paid to do. If our starters can't do better then -14 (which 3 of our starters were or worse) for the game, were never going to win any playoff game. end of story.

So instead of sending them to the free throw line to hit 10 shots you would rather give up the lay up or dunk? The fouls are what make them think about going to the paint. Rip gets his ARSE beat everytime he gets near the paint. Don't you think that has some bearing on which shots he is more likely to take during the game?

Make Rondo think twice before diving down the lane for a lay up!!!!

At his best, Flip brings nothing to the table for the Pistons. The best you can hope for is that he doesn't take things off the table for them, but more often than not, he does.

He has zero influence over them and even less of a clue on how to maximize their talents. The only changes that may be made tonight will be making more shots or turning the ball over less. It will have nothing to do with Flip. We're looking at the 2nd half of G4 before Flip makes a change of any consequence, a change anyone else would have made at the half of game 1. They came out and played worse in 2nd half after looking terrible in the 1st.

Amir Johnson or Afflalo as individuals will not help just like Jordan Farmar or Sasha Vulavcxihvgcd as individuals wouldn't. They can help as part of a group though.

Instead, DET will continue to run an offense during key stretches that would be better off trying to punt the ball into the hoop after inboudning it then trying to complete the play. At least they'd already be back on D after kicking it than having to scramble back after throwing another pass away. Look on the bright side, 79 is the new 100.

Instead, DET will continue to run an offense during key stretches that would be better off trying to punt the ball into the hoop after inboudning it then trying to complete the play. At least they'd already be back on D after kicking it than having to scramble back after throwing another pass away. Look on the bright side, 79 is the new 100.

I love the "punt" comment.

:pound::pound::pound::pound::pound:

Make Rondo think twice before diving down the lane for a lay up!!!!

He thinks twice now. Should I dunk it or lay it up?

In the NBDL, Amir was a giant among scrubs. In the NBA, he's at best a 9th man.

In Amir's current state of development (or lack of development), I totally agree with this statement.

BUT

AJ is a "9th man" that can provide the Pistons with a unique skill-set as well as game-changing energy.

I kinda view Amir the same way a lot of people view Arvis: stick him in the game, let him jack up a couple of 'heat-check' shots, get him outta there quick if he's off.
It's the same deal with Amir. - give him a couple of minutes, if he's active on the glass and bothering/blocking shots, give him some run. If he picks up a couple of quick fouls, YANK him.

He thinks twice now. Should I dunk it or lay it up?

:pound: :pound: :pound:

In Amir's current state of development (or lack of development), I totally agree with this statement.

BUT

AJ is a "9th man" that can provide the Pistons with a unique skill-set as well as game-changing energy.

I kinda view Amir the same way a lot of people view Arvis: stick him in the game, let him jack up a couple of 'heat-check' shots, get him outta there quick if he's off.
It's the same deal with Amir. - give him a couple of minutes, if he's active on the glass and bothering/blocking shots, give him some run. If he picks up a couple of quick fouls, YANK him.

In some games it may only take 3 or 4 minutes to change the outcome. I would hate to be sitting at home early in the play offs thinking " I wonder how Amir would have done against Posey" or "I wonder if Afflalo could have broke Paul's rythm?"

Look folks, we need better games from Rip, Sheed and Billups and we can beat Boston in Boston. Period.

We can overcome not playing AA, AJ and Flip not coaching. :)

Look folks, we need better games from Rip, Sheed and Billups and we can beat Boston in Boston. Period.

We can overcome not playing AA, AJ and Flip not coaching. :)

'scoe, you are my man.

Btw, we all know that owner Davidson is cheapskate. We should mention to him that this team actually does not need a coach, so Davidson can save several millions from paying to somebody.

My lifetime experience says that when you put things into "money perspective" then message goes through.

Look folks, we need better games from Rip, Sheed and Billups and we can beat Boston in Boston. Period.


Yeah, but then Prince and Dyess will play poorly and Ray Allen will go for 30.

We can overcome not playing AA, AJ and Flip not coaching. :)

You DO realize they are on OUR team, right. I guess that is one way of approaching it? How sad is that?

Sheed is the key. He must not continue to underperform. His outside-inside threat has stagnated because he can't hit a 3 all of a sudden. If this continues, he will most likely self-destruct like he did against Cleveland in Game 6 last season. Man, I feel like a Debbie Downer. :MusicBigGrin:

We can overcome not playing AA, AJ and Flip not coaching. :)

I guess I'm more hung-up on the "Flip not coaching" part of the deal.

You DO realize they are on OUR team, right. I guess that is one way of approaching it? How sad is that?
Yeah, but how long can one hope against reality?

It is what it is. They should play, but they probably won't. Flip is tightening up his rotation, and he will play it increasingly tight as the series goes on.

I guess I'm more hung-up on the "Flip not coaching" part of the deal.
I was trying to provide food for all trains of thought. :)

Yeah, but how long can one hope against reality?

Rhetorical question, right?

After all, I know some Cubs fans...

Rhetorical question, right?

After all, I know some Cubs fans...
Yes.

Ouch.

:D

this game feels like a do or die game. we lose this one and its over.

roscosbball (http://myespn.go.com/roscosbball) (5 minutes ago)

Ill take the stones loosing a series for the wings to hoist the Stanley.

Roscoe, did you just post that on ESPN.com?

this game feels like a do or die game. we lose this one and its over.

I hope also for a steal in game 5. However, I still have the same views for this game that I had for the first one, I believe we're gonna win... but just if the players want it as bad as the Celtics.

If tonight the team is a representation of Rasheed's current skills and will, then we're doomed.

Roscoe, did you just post that on ESPN.com?
No. This is the only sports forum or message board I really participate on.

I post at the DetNews a couple times a year, sometimes the Pistons.com forum but not for ages, and I used to post frequently at DBB, but haven't in awhile.

I would rather the Pistons win. The Wings window will be open for a few more years yet.

this game feels like a do or die game. we lose this one and its over.
No way! the Spurs played the homecourt strategy and stole Game 7 against N.O. We can do that against these chumps. We only need to win one game in Boston to make this a 6 or 7 game series.

I feel like we actually need to win 2 road games to advance. Assuming that we will hold home court 3 times in a row against Bos will make an ass out of u and Sheed.

No way! the Spurs played the homecourt strategy and stole Game 7 against N.O. We can do that against these chumps. We only need to win one game in Boston to make this a 6 or 7 game series.

uhhhmmmm, Q is....

are we = SAS

and

NO = BOS??

uhhhmmmm, Q is....

are we = SAS

and

NO = BOS??
Sounds good to me!

Hey, I knew a lady from the Philippines, she made fried plantain bananas with a dark syrup. Do you know what that dish is called?

We will get swept in the 1st round unless Amir and Afflalo play.

I think Avery johnson is very intellingent in wainting for the playoff season to be over before choosing whee he wants to coach. I would definately wait to see the outcome of the conference finals. You never know...Avery my be in our locker room next year.

The Pistons will indeed win the game tonight and build on that to win the series as will the Spurs.

Sounds good to me!

Hey, I knew a lady from the Philippines, she made fried plantain bananas with a dark syrup. Do you know what that dish is called?

uhhmmmm mr. roscoe i think you're trying too hard to be the clown of this site

uhhmmmm mr. roscoe i think you're trying too hard to be the clown of this site
Ok, but what about the bananas? I was being serious about them.

Ok, but what about the bananas? I was being serious about them.

Pwede ka nang maging barbero parekoy

Ask that lady you knew what that means.

I just stopped by Costco on my way home from work and picked up a case of tissues. Looks like we will need it with all the crying going on around here.

The biggest reason that the Pistons lost game 1 of the ECF was Boston. The Celtics played very, very well. 26 assists on 36 made baskets. Take the excellent play of Boston, combine it with the horrible shooting night for the Pistons (36%?) and you got a recipe for game 2. If the Pistons can pick up their shooting a little (Sheed, you gotta MAKE those 3's, man!) they can beat Boston tonight.

I'm not going to start my crying until the Pistons are down 3-0, or the Celtics have won 4. Until then,

GO PISTONS!

Pwede ka nang maging barbero parekoy

Ask that lady you knew what that means.

Is that Tagalog?

Ask that lady you knew what that means.
I would but I don't know how to contact her. :(

But I might know someone else who can translate it for me. :)

I would but I don't know how to contact her. :(

But I might know someone else who can translate it for me. :)

ok. dont worry i didnt curse u.

ok. dont worry i didnt curse u.
Of course not. Why would you do that? ;)

I'm not going to start my crying until the Pistons are down 3-0, or the Celtics have won 4. Until then,

GO PISTONS!
I'm going to start my crying a little earlier. I see tonight's game as do or die for the Pistons. They win, and they go back to Detroit with homecourt advantage in a five-game series. That is not a bad situation.

However...they lose tonight and they have to win four out of five. The way the two teams are playing right now I don't see that happening.

ok. dont worry i didnt curse u.
Why would you ask me to say that to her? Did you think it would be funny?

Chat is open!!!!


http://www.pistonsforum.com/playoff-chat/

I'm going to start my crying a little earlier. I see tonight's game as do or die for the Pistons. They win, and they go back to Detroit with homecourt advantage in a five-game series. That is not a bad situation.

However...they lose tonight and they have to win four out of five. The way the two teams are playing right now I don't see that happening.

Amen, and Amen.

I'm going to start my crying a little earlier. I see tonight's game as do or die for the Pistons. They win, and they go back to Detroit with homecourt advantage in a five-game series. That is not a bad situation.

However...they lose tonight and they have to win four out of five. The way the two teams are playing right now I don't see that happening.

If the Pistons lose tonight in a close one, I will start my worrying. If they lose tonight in a blowout, I will start to tear up.
If they lose one in Detroit and are down 3-0, I will seriously start my crying. :crying:

But I don't think they are going to lose tonight!

:gun1::gun1::gun1:I can't believe how biased ESPN is in their coverage. I WANNA SEE THEM BLOW THEM UP IN BOSTON!!:granade:

If Boston wins tonight and LA wins game two of the WCF, it will take divine intervention to prevent the matchup that the NBA and media want.

If they lose tonight I will be upset, but I am not going to cry and kick the dog until we are down 3-0... Remeber the series starts when someone wins on the road. IFFFFwe get swept it will not be a good memorial day that I want to keep in my memory.

Other than being down 3-0, the other worst scenario would be down 3-2 as Flipper has not been aable to win game 6 when in that position... If we lose tonight, we need to win games 3, 4 and 5 to take control and win this series.

Game 5 and 6 are key games
Game 5 of the 2004 finals was the ring clincher
If we had won game five 2005 series (sheed) we would have won that ring too.
Lost game 6 of the 06 and 07 ECF and those seasons was over.

Just play some g'd ball tonight! Play!

If they lose tonight I will be upset, but I am not going to cry and kick the dog until we are down 3-0... Remeber the series starts when someone wins on the road. IFFFFwe get swept it will not be a good memorial day that I want to keep in my memory.



Dre, there is no way in hell the Pistons will win 4 out of 5. That is what they will have to do if they lose tonight.

Ain`t gonna happen dawg............

YEEEEEEEEEAH!

THAT'S WHAT WE DO!

YES SIR!

:djparty:

YEAH BABY

quick comment before I go to sleep: pistons did what NOBODY has done so far!!!!!

Nice hard fought win.

I doubt we will see the Celtics not win a game on the road but the Pistons winning the next 3 games would really make my year:)

Words cannot say how happy I am because we won in Boston. So Imma going to make up a word myself for expressing it:

ASDJALKSDJLKSAJDLKASDNJLKADKASDJKALSDAKSDLKA YEAH!

BUT lets not fool ourselves and be blind because we won. We had some big troubles in the offense having too many contested shots, but hey a good game nevertheless. We had an excellent Rodney Stuckey playing, I liked that. We had an aggressive Billups (damn I had fear when he felt pain >.<).

The ones that really sucked in this game were the refs... and for both sides.

Ray Allen gets off the schneid, goes for 25...

Boston's Big Three goes for 75 total...

Rondo almost gets a triple double: 10 pts, 9 boards, 8 assists...

AND THE PISTONS STILL WIN.

IN BOSTON!

:p_welldone:

Pistons will win the next two in Detroit, Boston takes game 5, its over in 6 next Friday..........

I told y'all. This is a special year. Anything can happen.

But nothing is better than stealing a game in Boston, from the most arrogant fans in the league.

I hope Bill Simmons has nightmares of Rasheed's bald spot all night.

I'm sorry but Rodney Stuckey rules

YEEEEEEEEEAH!

THAT'S WHAT WE DO!

YES SIR!

:djparty:

I'm sorry for my comments and im proud of this win, but Game 3 will be the legacy maker for this team. This was US against the world (even me) because ESPN was crap tonight!!!

Great win and this definetly swings it the Pistons way. Stole home court for what thats worth as Celts still would get game 7 at home.

Gutty win, great execution down the stretch. Stucky making a name for himself. Rip and Dyess stepping up huge. Have to thank the league too for giving us a seasoned ref crew that did not get influenced by the crowd.

My only complaint would be that Ratliff has been worthless out there and if your main complaint for not playing AJ is because of fouls, Theo was a foul waiting to happen out there combined with that one bone headed play when he tripped over the ball as it was going out of bounds giving it to the Celts. Anyway. Afflalo's 26 secs out there could have been the difference in this one.

Just a great win and the Celtics are a very good team. One thing though, even though Ray Allen is heating up they seem to mainly go with the hot hand ignoring the other big 2. If this holds where either Allen or Pierce go on runs but not at the same time its going to help negate Allen getting over his slump. We will see.

Going to be a good game on Sat.

That is WTF I am talkin' about! This might be the big one Elizabeth! DET closed quarters strong and (GASP!) scored some easy buckets courtesy of Dyess.

They started both halves with their offense going backwards and took a while to get going, but they really did a nice job going forward after that.

I watched this at my in-laws and I'm pretty certain they'll be talking to divorce attorney's tomorrow. I haven't been this into a game in a long, long time.

Am I the only one who gets so upset dwelling on CB & Rips missed free throws until my eye starts twitching?

The last 2 minutes took 20 years off my life.

Stuckey did what DET has needed the last few years. Guard points off the bench. A rough start but nice finish.

H-U-G-E game on Saturday. A must win. Do not give this back.

DET has some class too. Hate too see that in the finals. Where is chest pounding and flexing?

Woo!

I told y'all. This is a special year. Anything can happen.

But nothing is better than stealing a game in Boston, from the most arrogant fans in the league.

I hope Bill Simmons has nightmares of Rasheed's bald spot all night.
:pound:

Pistons fought back really hard in the 3rd quarter to preserve their halftime lead after coming out like crap to start the 2nd half. That was really big.

Stuckey preserved the lead with huge minutes early in the 4th, and the starters just flat-out brought it home. Both teams were executing really well and hitting some amazing shots down the stretch. What a great feeling to come out on top when that happens!

Am I the only one who gets so upset dwelling on CB & Rips missed free throws until my eye starts twitching?


You definitely need to chill if that was bothering you...LOL. Pistons were 28-32 from the line tonight! Rip and CB were 17-20. You really can't ask for more than that from the line.

The last 2 minutes took 20 years off my life.
I said nearly the exact same thing in chat. I feel about 100 tonight.

AA played guys!! See, in his 12 second he caused a win. LOL

I haven't watched. I just got home a little while ago from a final. I have another final in the morning. I'm passing out, but i'm so pumped.

I'm so glad i Tivo'ed it.

Looks like Ray Allen found his stroke.

Also looks like we pushed tempo. I'm too tired to read the entire thread, but had to post so i could put 60 !!!!!!!!!!! of happiness.

I actually felt pretty confident down the stretch. Definitely nervous, but I mostly had a good feeling they'd be able to pull it out.

I said nearly the exact same thing in chat. I feel about 100 tonight.

You know I thought the same thing with about 4 mins left that 100 would be what they needed to get to.

I haven't watched. I just got home a little whole ago from a final. I have another final in the morning. I'm passing out, but i'm so pumped.

I'm so glad i Tivo'ed it.

You won't believe the last few minutes of the game. Amazingly clutch plays, definitely like a vintage matchup of the best teams of the '80s.

Stuckeybuns was spectacular.

THE DIFFERNCE MAKER............

http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2008/0522/nba_g_wallace2_sw_412.jpg

WHERE HE GOES, WE GOES,,,,its just that simple!

Sheed was REALLY big in the 2nd half after a bad first half, but this was absolutely a team effort. How about CB with 19 points, 7 assists, and 0 turnovers? And that was in 32 minutes. Nice job by Flip in managing his time on the floor. Of course, Stuckey's terrific clutch play had something to do with that as well.

Very memorable game. Great performances on both ends of the court from all five starters. Stuckey was a tremendous spark off the bench. Reminiscent of some of our best games during the 2004 playoff run, when we were really playing as a team and with great intensity. Pistons were extremely composed under pressure (far more than Boston, which committed a number of dumb and untimely fouls down the stretch). It did admittedly get nerve-wracking in the final two minutes, particularly after Allen hit that three.

Let's also give it up for Dice. He's been very, VERY solid in the first two games, particularly in the first half at times when some of the other guys have been struggling to get going.

I want to do a poll about who will be here in the next years.
Amir is gone. Had to go Darko for min. AA same. Stuck = Houston.
I hope I'm wrong.

He will be traded this summer in a package deal.

As me and Mikhail said in chat when it was in the low 30's, we need points to win and we need to finish above 90 to guarantee it. We got 14 in the last 4 mins to hit 50 and most thought we had it...but wtf, the C's open the 3rd on a 13-4 run. But alas we keep our composure and respond with a 12-2 run to temporary control of the game and lead by 9 at the end of 3.

Yep they came back within 2 with some crazy play by Theo on both ends, but the starters finally stepped up vs the Celtics for the first time this year (the last 4 games). Rodney STUDDkey was huge in the 4th as he and Hunter were the only zoocrews to scored. Billups returned to glory...we hope

We got out boarded 39-31, but the rest of the stats were almost even...both teams hit 35 fgs, both team hit 5 three balls, but the difference was at the free throw line where we got them at the line by 6. Assists were about even, we had 27 points in the paint to their 26.

Tonights meaningless stats=
Pistons were 34-1 during the regular season when scoring 100 pts or more and now 4-0 in the playoffs.

Now nine straight game 2 wins in the playoffs.

First team to beat Boston at home and first score to over 100 pts on their # 1 defense

Six Pistons in double figures

Afflolo got in and played 16 seconds which secured the victory.:)

Stuckey was the story of this game. Fine on D, great on O. He hit jumpers, after creating his own shot, got to the rack, made the shot or got free throws. He had 13 points in his first 15 minutes. Not bad.

In contrast, Boston has nothing for a backup point guard, and indeed, there starting point guard can barely play the game.

Billups had about five times the game vs. the 1st game of the series. He was getting around much better. He at one point late in the 2nd quarter seemed to tweak something - but hopefully it was not a re-tweaking of the Hammy.

Its amazing that we won considering Allen heated up while Pierce and Garnett still had it going. But we shut down everyone else pretty good. We on the other hand, had 6 guys in double figures, the starters plus Stuckey.

Sheed finally buried a three after missing 15 straight, and 19 of his last 20. He added a couple of short to medium jumpers and hit some free throws. On D, he was able to keep Garnett from doing damage in the post. That is not easy.

Billups is not 100%, but he got points here and there. A three made, and a lot of driving to the basket. Fortunately, the pointguard for Boston won't even take a shot so Billups speed on defense did not hurt him that much. Billups must be pretty well healed to do what he did tonight without further reinjury. As far as I can tell, he was fine at the end of the game. As far as I can tell anyway.

Rip was the scoring hero. Got to appreciate that 95% of the time stead shot of his.

Tay did ok. Not great. We are using Hunter to spell the guy, along with spelling Rip. Hunter hit a couple of shots in the first half early in his stint, and made one or two good defensive plays. He had nothing for us in the 2nd half.

Theo played. Still can't figure out what he is doing in this series. However, between Maxiell, who I don't think played in the 2nd half, Ratliff, Hunter, and Stuckey, we played the bench quite a bit. Nobody got overplayed in the 1st half.

Maxiell did not play enough really to get anything going.

Well, thats it. Great win, we took control of the series. Next two games in the D.

GO PISTONS!!!!!

This is tangential to a great Pistons win, but I wanted to comment on Van Gundy as announcer. He is really superb in my view. He has a pleasant voice, is witty and articulate, and offers a lot of intelligent insights. He does not hype what is happening on the floor the way Marv Albert does for TNT. He is refreshingly candid about bad calls (or no calls) and about perceived mistakes by players or coaches. Rarely does he open his mouth without saying something interesting.

Afflolo got in and played 16 seconds which secured the victory.:)

Now that i saw the score i'm wide awake reading this thread which is exactly what i said i wouldn't do. :gun1:

Anyway i think AA gets a chance on Pierce at home. At least i hope he does. His shooting % is still way too high, and we seem to be unable to stop KG and PP. KG stops himself at the end of games so doing a better job on Pierce is crucial.

It's essential we come out like we're on fire. These two games in DET are majorly important. We have a chance to crush BOS' spirit.

Reading the game threads, it seems like Theo was killing us. Why was Max so limited?

He will show up at home.

This is tangential to a great Pistons win, but I wanted to comment on Van Gundy as announcer. He is really superb in my view. He has a pleasant voice, is witty and articulate, and offers a lot of intelligent insights. He does not hype what is happening on the floor the way Marv Albert does for TNT. He is refreshingly candid about bad calls (or no calls) and about perceived mistakes by players or coaches. Rarely does he open his mouth without saying something interesting.


Van Gundy is auditioning for the Pistons job and is pretty astute. He will be the first one to interview with Joe, if flip flops:sssh:

This is tangential to a great Pistons win, but I wanted to comment on Van Gundy as announcer. He is really superb in my view. He has a pleasant voice, is witty and articulate, and offers a lot of intelligent insights. He does not hype what is happening on the floor the way Marv Albert does for TNT. He is refreshingly candid about bad calls (or no calls) and about perceived mistakes by players or coaches. Rarely does he open his mouth without saying something interesting.

You had me going there for a second. Good one.

I hope Bill Simmons has nightmares of Rasheed's bald spot all night.
Right now..

Bill Simmons is drinking heavily, but he's not half as freaked out as David Stern.

And Kevin Durant is at home polishing his Rookie of the Year trophy.

Yessir!

Nice post game interviews with Stuckey and Rip. Stuckey came off great, articulate and confident as he had been doing this for years. Rip dropped about 30 "you knows"..well I lost track of them, but he got his point across. :)

Van Gundy is auditioning for the Pistons job and is pretty astute. He will be the first one to interview with Joe, if flip flops:sssh:

Well, I hope that there is no "flip-flop." If Flip is even partly responsible for the greater intensity and improved execution by the Pistons tonight, then more power to him.

History was made tonight as Flip actually got credit from THE LOW at one point. When CB got the wide open layup coming out of a timeout in the last minute, pigs flew as Flip was explicitly given credit by his most consistent critic.

Great win for the Pistons. Very impressive. Kudos to Mr. Stuckey and the rest.

I will stand by my prediction that the Celtics will win it in 6, but I was thrilled to see the win, and I hope the Pistons prove me wrong.

That floater by Rip in crunch time was the game winner IMO. He misses that, we could have lost. After that, we were in control. And it was an extremely tough shot.

Was Ratliff doing anything? I know he didn't show up on the stat sheet, but was he playing good defense? It seemed like he was out there forever and never affected the game at all.

How dumb was Lindsey's reach in foul right before halftime? He really needs to quit that. I saw a writer give Taysaun Prince credit the other day for what a great defender he is and how rarely he gambles.

DET has some class too. Hate too see that in the finals. Where is chest pounding and flexing?


After the game, the pistons left the court in a cool, businesslike manner. There were high fives, but no wild celebration. Just another day at the office, I guess. For us fans, this should be reassuring, they'll not celebrate until they win it all.

This makes the Pistons all the more frightening!!!! :scared:

Woohoo Go Pistons :p_welldone:

Look folks, we need better games from Rip, Sheed and Billups and we can beat Boston in Boston. Period...oh, and Stuckey too.:)

We can overcome not playing AA, AJ and Flip not coaching. :)

Looks like you were right.

After the game, the pistons left the court in a cool, businesslike manner. There were high fives, but no wild celebration. Just another day at the office, I guess. For us fans, this should be reassuring, they'll not celebrate until they win it all.

This makes the Pistons all the more frightening!!!! :scared:

Woohoo Go Pistons :p_welldone:


This is what I love about the Pistons, even though the flipside is that they seem detached sometimes during games.

But when I saw Paul Pierce celebrating his own ability to call a time out at the end of their most recent game 7, I remember thinking "geez... act like you've been somewhere."

This is what I love about the Pistons, even though the flipside is that they seem detached sometimes during games.

But when I saw Paul Pierce celebrating his own ability to call a time out at the end of their most recent game 7, I remember thinking "geez... act like you've been somewhere."

He has been somewhere. He went to Miami to watch Walker win a title:)

He is a punk. He would celebrate like that beating the rec bball team from the community center in Harlem.

Won't ever change.

Theo wasn't that bad. He was kind of rookie-like, giving back whatever contributions he made. He got a hand on a few shots, came up with the ball off a steal (and threw it away).

Hunter played a big part in turning the game around. No way he shouldn't play.

Dyess.........at times he is the perfect compliment to the other starters. He did a phenomanal job making Garnett work on offense.

The offensive rebounds......

The stretch where CB & Rip got blocked 3 times virtually in a row on fast breaks in the first half near killed me.

Everyone who played (for more than 12 seconds - not that they weren't a big 12 seconds) contributed.

The first ECF road win of the Flip Saunders era. Please don't give HCA back. I am fired up. I was out at dinner walking around flexing like Paul Pierce.

I told you all they would win this one.

Sometimes y'all act like you ain't never seen the Pistons make it to the ECF 5 times in a row. Boston? They have alot of talent, but they aren't a team. Who was on their roster last year? Pierce and Rondo? Garnett, Allen, Cassell, Brown, Posey, and House are all in their first season with the Celtics. Davis is a rookie. I'll take the experienced team with allstar talent over the allstar salary team any day.

If Chauncey can play, the Pistons have this one. Better luck next year, KG.

Van Gundy is auditioning for the Pistons job and is pretty astute. He will be the first one to interview with Joe, if flip flops:sssh:

I noticed that too, even before the reg season ended.

Lindsey is effective as long as he isn't playing more than 10 minutes or so. He's a decent 4th guard at this point in his career.

If Theo wasn't mobile, he'd make a better coat-rack. He plays hyper which gets him out of position and confused on defense. The difference between Theo and PJ Brown is enormous.

Somewhere there in the mire of that ugly first quarter a real basketball game broke out. It was a long time coming. The ball moved, players moved rather than watched - in Q2 - Q4 the Pistons scored at a 113 PPG pace. Nice to finally see some shots dropping. Mostly nice to see the offense play to its strengths rather than to the strengths of the Boston defense.

I loved the last couple of minutes when scorers on both teams just got it done, trading baskets back and forth. And that, at least for the Ps, it was a different guy every possession.

The key now is not to let up at home. Without the next two, this series may not be winnable.


Hey, I like JVG too.

I picked the Pistons in 4. Still like that prediction except its the Pistons in 4 Billups starts........:)

Great game. It almost felt like 1988 watching the 4th quarter. Big shot after big shot from both teams. The Pistons seemed more focused from the beginning, and stayed that way throughout the game. Billups looked like a different player. You guys/gals already covered the specifics, so no need to state them again.

That was the team I enjoy watching, win or lose. I hope they continue to show up, as Boston is not going to lie down in Detroit. As much as Detroit was the team most likely to break Boston's home winning streak, they are as likely to give them their first road win based on their history.

FANTASTIC!

Anybody else see the postgame conference with Pierce and Garnett? When asked about how hard it will be to win a road game, Garnett seemed genuinely concerned. I expected him to mention how they had the best road record in the regular season, and how they beat the Pistons in Detroit this year, but it was like he forgot that.

You could see glimpses of the Celtics' 'hot potato' offense when they were trailing in the 4th quarter. I thought most of the Pistons' shots were good looks down the stretch whereas the Celtics were getting lucky to make some forced shots.

McDyess is so fired up. He played some great D on KG, and seems to be the most consistent offensive rebounder.

But even bigger than McDyess was Stuckey.

Some crazy fouls by the Celtics. The one where Rondo was face-guarding Prince was hilarious! Then you had Pierce committing a shooting foul on McDyess about a foot behind the basket.

Just a few things after watching;

We got back to running our money play with Sheed/Rip that was a staple of the LB era. Beautiful to watch.

LH sucked in the 2nd half. Stuckey was going insane so it didn't affect out offensive flow. His defense was not there either. That play where Allen got that dunk was a dual effort of sucky defense from Theo/LH.

BOS looked tired; confused; slow. Looks like the adrenaline from the Game 7 win wore off. Their defense was a step behind tonight. I don't expect that next game.

We have to get more production out of the bench. Hopedully, the home game inspires Flip to give AA a shot at PP. Tay's minutes are too much. They have been non-stop 40-40-40.

Sheed looked like he was going to die at the end there. Max has step up at home and take some of the pressure of Sheed/Dice. I'm not holding my breath to see Amir.

Chauncey was struggling in the 2nd half defensively probably a product of the hammy he tweaked again, and his usual lapses. Ray Allen essentially went off on him.

Got to get a defensive guard in there to help next game.

Our execution for the most part was pre-Flip Piston-esque. We did have a few breakdowns on both ends, but i didn't see the panic or quick shots that we've become accustomed to. They actually took their time (sometimes too much) and moved the ball.

I don't know what it is about our O rebounding skills, but we can always do it in do or die time. Game 6 CLE, The ORL game, and the funniest part about it is Rip gets alot of them.

All in all, a great win. Just got to tighten up the defense for a full 48 min, and continue what we're doing offensively.

edited to add;

Garnett did look concerned. In fact he looked like he was going to cry LOL. He kept saying it is what it is.

If we can beat the Celtics, and KG cries, my life will be complete. More complete than finding a soul mate, starting a family, curing a deadly disease or traveling to Mars.

The one where Rondo was face-guarding Prince was hilarious! Then you had Pierce committing a shooting foul on McDyess about a foot behind the basket.

It was great that for some reason the director had a camera on Prince for a close up on that play. Combine that one with a follow-up bonehead play from Rondo the next possession and I was really surprised Doc didn't pull him for one play and lay some wood. Popovich would have... well, it wouldn't have been pretty.


BOS looked tired; confused; slow. Looks like the adrenaline from the Game 7 win wore off. Their defense was a step behind tonight. I don't expect that next game.

I wonder if this is going to end up the story of the series. Boston has been playing a lot of games with very heavy minutes and no breaks. I think at least part of the game one loss can be blamed on Pistons' rust, but the rest they got after Orlando could well be the key to winning this series.


Boston reminds me of LA in the finals in '04. Partly because of the hired guns put together, but mostly because of the situation at the point. I think Rondo is substantially underrated, but still, he's the only ball handler on the team. In '04 when the starting Lakers PG went out Larry went to the pit bulls and literally chased the backup out of the game. I'd like to see that in this series - put Hunter and Stuckey on whoever is bringing the ball up when Rondo sits and let them pressure the ball all that way up the floor. Even without steals, that couple of extra seconds off the clock makes the Celtics much easier to defend.

I'd like to see that in this series - put Hunter and Stuckey on whoever is bringing the ball up when Rondo sits and let them pressure the ball all that way up the floor. Even without steals, that couple of extra seconds off the clock makes the Celtics much easier to defend.

That was pretty much what the Pistons were doing, wasn't it? Definitely in the 2nd quarter.

EDIT: Doc mentioned this in his post-game press conferece that Roscoe posted:

You know, it’s a tough decision with us right now with Eddie and Sam or anyone else. Bottom line is so far in the two games we’ve taken Rajon off the floor we’ve struggled offensively, and it’s due to their ball pressure. We have to handle that better, there’s no doubt about that.

That was pretty much what the Pistons were doing, wasn't it? Definitely in the 2nd quarter.

Sort of.

Rondo was only out of the game for less than seven minutes anyway. During both his rests Stuckey and Rip were at the guard spots and I don't recall Stuckey really pressuring him in the back court (though it could easily have happened and I just don't remember). Hunter only played while Rondo was on the court.

I could be overly nuancing this, but seems to me Doc sees a problem with the Celtics offense when Rondo isn't on the floor not because the Pistons are doing a better job of pressuring the point, but because the backup points just aren't very good at running the offense. I'd like to see the Pistons chase the backup off the floor and force Rondo to play even more minutes.

Of course, one reason the Celtics offense bogs down with Rondo out is that there aren't any scorers on the floor during those stints. JVG has pointed that out a couple of times during the games. It's not very surprising that House isn't generating much offense when his team consists of Pierce, Posey, Powe, and Brown. Maybe Doc likes playing the P-name guys together.

Attacking Rondo early and trying to get him into foul trouble is also a pretty good strategy given how badly the Celtics perform without him. Might also provide a way to limit Pierce if he has to be bringing the ball up under pressure. I'll take my chances with the Alien playing (or House for that matter).

I thought most of the Pistons' shots were good looks down the stretch whereas the Celtics were getting lucky to make some forced shots.

I'm pretty sure that is b/c we are biased when we view the game. Stuckey hit a couple J's at the very edge of his range. Plus he had that double clutcher with contact that he got to go. Tay made a tough college 3 right after badly missing the 3-point attempt right before it. And Rip's running teardrop was probably the toughest shot of the game. Throw in a couple lucky offensive rebounds and I would say that we played out of our minds at the end.

Some crazy fouls by the Celtics. The one where Rondo was face-guarding Prince was hilarious! Then you had Pierce committing a shooting foul on McDyess about a foot behind the basket.

I actually didn't know that face guarding was a foul. I should quit doing that at the gym I guess. And yeah, Pierce should have just let the backboard block Dyess.

......

Well, face-guarding is a foul if you actually make contact with the other guy's face!

I agree with your other point, TaShawn, about forced looks vs. good looks. I think it's just that guys on BOTH teams were making some heroic shots at important times. And when the other team has guys like Pierce and Garnett who can do that, you might very well HAVE to be able to hit some hero shots of your own to pull out a win in their gym. I would also argue that Pierce and KG prevented the game from getting away from the Celtics even more by making some super-tough shots against good Pistons D in the first half, not just down the stretch of the 4th quarter.

Hopefully, of course, the Pistons can play well enough at home to avoid needing a repeat performance of relying on lots of heroic shots, and then the one win on the road will turn out to be enough heroism to take the series. Perhaps like the '06 ECF where Miami's bench turned in an extremely unlikely heroic performance in Game 1 when Shaq and Wade were both in foul trouble. They were something like +10 with both those guys on the bench, which made the difference in that game and ultimately in the series, since the Heat didn't end up needing a repeat of that timely bench production; they held serve at home pretty easily with their top guys leading the way.

not sure how espn cuts there highlights... but they seemed to show what i saw as i watched the game last night. we had alot more open looks then boston did. There big 3 all scored there 20 plus points but so many of there shots where off balanced hand in there face shots, when they make those type of shots... you shake there hand and say nice job. I can live with that. If we play with that effort on sat and monday I think we win both games.... but thats a big IF.... hopefully coming home the kids play and play well, Max needs to join the series.... if he doesnt then our bigs are going to start to wear down which is going to catch up with us sooner or later....

Stuckey played out of his mind last night. Did anyone see how he was calling for the ball aggressively at the start of the 4th? It was like he was back on the court in Eastern Washington. His poise is crazy for a rookie, he never seemed rattled the whole game.

Maxiell defiantly needs to step it up at home and I know he will. He always seems off on the road. All we need to do is hold down home court and we got it in the bag.

..I actually didn't know that face guarding was a foul. I should quit doing that at the gym I guess. And yeah, Pierce should have just let the backboard block Dyess.....

I think face guarding is o.k. It's grabbing the other player's face like something from Alien and holding on that's a bit over the line.

History was made tonight as Flip actually got credit from THE LOW at one point. When CB got the wide open layup coming out of a timeout in the last minute, pigs flew as Flip was explicitly given credit by his most consistent critic.

Hey...I'm a man of my word. I'll give credit where it is due...

....it's just not due that often.

not sure how espn cuts there highlights... but they seemed to show what i saw as i watched the game last night. we had alot more open looks then boston did. There big 3 all scored there 20 plus points but so many of there shots where off balanced hand in there face shots, when they make those type of shots... you shake there hand and say nice job. I can live with that. If we play with that effort on sat and monday I think we win both games.... but thats a big IF.... hopefully coming home the kids play and play well, Max needs to join the series.... if he doesnt then our bigs are going to start to wear down which is going to catch up with us sooner or later....

Maybe we should try playing a DIFFERENT big off our bench and see how he does. Who's left to try? :stirthepot:

Maybe we should try playing a DIFFERENT big off our bench and see how he does. Who's left to try? :stirthepot:

we traded darko already :MusicBigGrin:


But.... to be serious now that were back at home.... the young kids normally play better so i am hoping to see both aa and aj get a chance to see what they can do, but we really need max to play up to his normal level. I look at the a's as bonus if they play as well as alot of folks expect they can.

History was made tonight as Flip actually got credit from THE LOW at one point. When CB got the wide open layup coming out of a timeout in the last minute, pigs flew as Flip was explicitly given credit by his most consistent critic.

Hey...I'm a man of my word. I'll give credit where it is due...

....it's just not due that often.


I don't think I will believe it until I read the quote. :pound:

Maybe we should try playing a DIFFERENT big off our bench and see how he does. Who's left to try? :stirthepot:

If only we still had Primo:crying:

I heard about some Amir Johnson kid, but i have no idea what team he's on. We should definately try to pick him up next year.

Hockey had to make a new rule about face guarding the goalie. After some guy just went face to face with a goalie, butt to the open ice. Rondo outdid that guy.
Half the boston coaches were fighting back a smile.
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Hey if Stuck continues to impress, I'm dropping Amir from my "must emerge in P/Os for us to win dogma."

Hockey had to make a new rule about face guarding the goalie. After some guy just went face to face with a goalie, butt to the open ice.

That "some guy" was none other than Sean Avery, the former Detroit Red Wing. He has really become the kind of player that rattles the opposing team.

Avery made Brodeur so mad (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ec_2oKWe2Gw), Martin wouldn't shake his hand (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWj3qcddVGU) during the end of series congratulatory lineup. Good stuff.

I think the play of the game is CB's kickin the door in on House, literally and figuratively to the Celts.

But nothing is better than stealing a game in Boston, from the most arrogant fans in the league.

You got that right. Most arrogant fans in MLB, too.

I guess the Red Sox fans have gotten pretty insufferable over the last few years, but surely they haven't surpassed Yankees fans in sheer arrogance and entitlement.

I guess the Red Sox fans have gotten pretty insufferable over the last few years, but surely they haven't surpassed Yankees fans in sheer arrogance and entitlement.
Yankees = Arrogant baseball aristocracy

Sox = Arrogant baseball peasantry

Yankees = Arrogant baseball aristocracy

Sox = Arrogant baseball peasantry
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Tigs = up start decedent peasantry

At the moment, Tigers fans are more like...whatever Knicks fans are.

Very very sad :(

We won cuz I did not go into the chat room? Said that cuz we were playing them neck to neck in Game 1 til I came into the chatroom. So, I decided to skip chat for Game 2. Coincidence?

ENERGY on both ends of the court won this game for us even when their Big 3 shot over 50%. And they won't shoot over 50% together in this series anymore especially at the Palace. Some shots that KG and Pierce made was unbelievable which I don't think they can make it consistently. Therefore, my confidence that we will win this series has just increased dramatically. Again we need to play with this sort of ENERGY from now on.

Did anyone see Sheed singing to the Guns & Roses 'Paradise City' song after a timeout? That's hilarious.

Good Job Fellas, GREAT JOB!