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December 17th
TV: FSN Detroit
Radio: WDFN-AM 1130

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Comments on this game?
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Recap: (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/recap;_ylt=A9htdt3enaVDtx0B4AG8vLYF?gid=2005121730 )

Charlotte coach Bernie Bickerstaff thought the Bobcats would have to play a near perfect game to beat Detroit. When they came out flat, it was more than Bickerstaff could stand to watch.
Chauncey Billups had 21 points and 12 assists and the Pistons routed the Bobcats 103-78 on Saturday night to improve to an NBA-best 18-3 -- the best 21-game mark in franchise history.
Richard Hamilton added 15 points and Ben Wallace had 13 points and 13 rebounds for the Pistons, 11-2 on the road...

Box Score (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore?gid=2005121730)

this one could be either a blow out or to close for comfort. the bobcats play hard and dont usually give up. add in we are on a back to back should be a good game.

Looking forward to going to the game tonight with one of my sons. I taught him right. Love Pistons, Lions, Tigers, Red Wings, and Buckeyes!:)

Looking forward to going to the game tonight with one of my sons. I taught him right. Love Pistons, Lions, Tigers, Red Wings, and Buckeyes!:)


Have a great time.

Love Pistons, Red Wings, Tigers...yes

Love Buckeyes...well ok, better than U of M

Love Lions...why would you do that to your son????

nice job on the preview for this game zoso. i don't know what to expect from this game at all though. usually i kind of have a feeling of what might happen, but i have nothing today.

just think about it....we could be 18-3 at the end of the day.

Hard to know what to expect. Cats are a decent offensive rebounding team mainly with Okafor and we all know how the Pistons rebound when tired. Starters did not play too many mins last night so hopefully they will be good.

Brevin Night may be a little pesky for Billups in the backcourt but Billups will have no trouble posting him.

Cats ended an 8 game losing streak In NJ Wed and have been waiting for the Pistons to erase a 3 home game losing streak.

can you believe I played with Gerald Wallace in high school, and he was not our best player.

can you believe I played with Gerald Wallace in high school, and he was not our best player.

Was he the tallest guy on the team?

Nope. Wasn't even close. In fact our Sg was taller then him (Rod Grizzard 6'8 played at Alabam till junior drafted by Washington) We had 6 guys 6'7 or taller.

Chat is open.

ok. another piston blowout i guess we can argue about darko. he clearly outplayed jmax tonight. 1 thing about darko is that he sure does shut down the paint when he's out there. i think a lot of people get too caught up on how hard he goes offensively. defensively he's right up there with the big 3 maybe a little higher than mcdyess. i think the bench should have played a lot more minutes tonight except evans.

delfino is a good player. people that think our bench is weak need to check out delfino. he's a great passer, good rebounding guard and a streaky shooter. oh yeah he will dunk on you too. he's just as important to our bench success as arroyo and mcdyess. he should be playing wayyyy more minutes than evans.

chauncey is the man. he has to get an all star bid. double doubles all the time now. he is detroit basketball.

We came out doing pretty good. Unfortunately, Flip decided to continue his experiment of making a player out of Mo Evans. Did not work. Our scoring pretty much stopped. But depite us barely scoring while he was on the floor, we just missed getting 50 for the quarter. In case anyone thinks Arroyo was the problem, think again. Arroyo was playing with a minefield on the floor. Named Evans. The ball goes to Evans, the offense dies. Kind of hard to play under those conditions.

Delfino came in from the left on a fast break and slaughtered one down thru Okafor. Pretty impressive. In contrast, Evans got fouled driving in, but missed the layup by a mile. That was not from the foul mind you. And the announcers had the gaul to say that was Evans strong point, driving in. Show me he can make a simple layup before you tell me he can drive in.

Tay had yet another sky slam from a pass from Rip. CB continues to hit triples and everything else he throws up there. Sheed hit a triple. Can't recall Rip doing a whole lot of scoring yet in this one. An excellent defensive half, a few points off our record and a new record low for Charlotte. (In less than 2 years.)

Once again, Carlos Delfino finds himself in the rotation. But once again, no Darko. Dale Davis did get 2 minutes at the end of the half. Sheed has not rested much after having high minutes for us last night. Hopefully, we can finish this one off fast. Still got 2 games to go in this 4 game in five night stretch. Next team is Memphis too at Memphis. GO PISTONS!!!!!

Rip, who had not done much in the 1st half, heated up in the 3rd quarter. Our lead never shrunk much nor grew either during the quarter. Dyess played a bunch of it as Sheed rested for foul trouble. Dale Davis came in too for more foul trouble. Evans again came off the bench before Delfino, but again, Delfino played plenty. This time, he did hit a triple, and he also actually dribbled the ball a dribble or two and pulled up and hit one. Thats is a little better. Still, pretty much just missed shots from him in this game and little more.

We ended up with a good deal of garbage time due to 2 straight assists from Delfino to Ben for dunks on fast breaks. That put the lead up to 25 with about half the 4th quarter to go. Darko and Maxiell got in the game. Nothing from JMAX. Darko got a fast break dunk and also got an assist on a fast break. And a block on May. Arroyo did a fancy between the legs pass to Evans to set Evans up for spin dunk on a fast break. Anyone notice how often Evans benefits from great passes from Delfino and Arroyo the last few games? They must like him helping them with their assist numbers. If only Evans could handle the ball as well as shoot.

Well, that game should not have tired our starters out too much. Memphis is next Monday night at Memphis. That should be considedered a quality opponent. GO PISTONS!!!!!

In contrast, Evans got fouled driving in, but missed the layup by a mile. That was not from the foul mind you. And the announcers had the gaul to say that was Evans strong point, driving in. Show me he can make a simple layup before you tell me he can drive in.

Same thing goes for Darko. He finished a dunk tonight, which was a miracle. Usually when he gets the ball close to the rack, he looks like a monkey fondling a football out there.

Same thing goes for Darko. He finished a dunk tonight, which was a miracle. Usually when he gets the ball close to the rack, he looks like a monkey fondling a football out there.

how is your post just to be fair??

darko has posterized several players this year. that was last year you are talking about darko missing dunks. it's not fair either cause the post had nothing to do with darko. you just took another oppurtunity to take a shot at darko when it wasn't needed at all.

There has been more than a few times when Darko has grabbed an offensive rebound and couldn't finish. Speaking of finishing, shouldn't you finish getting Darko's bubble bath ready?

You're not even close to objective about the guy. He played fine tonight in meaningless minutes, but he's sucked lately and you know it. Dale Davis was in the game before him tonight.

I PM'd all the chatters, but I thought I should post here as well.

I've got a tech looking into changing our connection software to allow us a LOT more chatters at one time. It looks like he stopped by at the end of the chat. Sorry if anyone got dropped and hung like I was.

If you want to see a schedule for the chat, click here (http://www.pistonsforum.com/news/853-pistonsforum-com-game-chat-debut.html). Once we get the software sorted, we'll be able to leave the chat open longer before and after each game.

There has been more than a few times when Darko has grabbed an offensive rebound and couldn't finish. Speaking of finishing, shouldn't you finish getting Darko's bubble bath ready?

You're not even close to objective about the guy. He played fine tonight in meaningless minutes, but he's sucked lately and you know it. Dale Davis was in the game before him tonight.

Gazoo, watch that meaningless minute stuff, or you will find yourself in agreement with us. Those minutes are meaningless. And Flip should know it too. What really matters is how a guy does in a game. So far, Darko has done fine in games, when the game matters. People love to talk about how Maxiell is doing, yet Maxiell has not played a moment in a real game when it counts.

To expound on this, again, using playing time as motivation is good in some situations. But really, the bottomline is what wins championships. If a guy has a needed skill and performs at that task far better than the next guy, he should play. What the coach thinks about what percentage of effort is being put out is irrelevant.

how is your post just to be fair??

darko has posterized several players this year. that was last year you are talking about darko missing dunks. it's not fair either cause the post had nothing to do with darko. you just took another oppurtunity to take a shot at darko when it wasn't needed at all.

And you took another opportunity to try to glorify a blatant bust...please list the 'several players' Darko has 'posterized'. But first:

1) Please give me your definition of several...for some reason I think your definition means more than one

2) Please give me your definition of posterize...does it include showing-up bench players from sub-par teams? Remember that it's unlikely any of those guys would ever be worthy of a poster...even if Jordan, Magic, & Bird were sitting shoulder-to-shoulder in the background.

The Pistons are in a zone and I see much good coming out of this stretch. DMC is beginning to show just a little and I think that these guys who write in and post only to show disrespect are going to be the outsiders soon. I stopped defending him because very soon, he will not need it anymore. I am enjoying these games even though DMC is still not getting a fair shot, but soon. Soon!!

I know noone will believe the coincidence in this next thing I am going to report, but it honestly happened. Tonight, I watched a show that I taped recently, and when I rewound it to reuse the tape, I found that I had taped the show over the end of the Pistons/Denver game, in Denver, from two years ago. We won it like 95 to 65, or some such, and I watched a few minutes of the GT. This is two years ago, before the "little ykw" got his hooks into DMC and he was quite good to watch. He had I think four boards and four points in about 6 minutes, and looked good. He and Lindsay worked well together, with DMC passing to him and setting a hard pick for LH, for a bucket. DMC took a pass and made a real nice move for a bucket, from about 4 or 5 feet.

He will once again look like that and the Pistons will be even better than they have in this great stretch of games.

But enough of that. I cannot believe the way the Pistons are playing these days, and although I cannot see them, I will on Christmas day and on my birthday, on ABC and then on TNT.

This will turn out to be one of the great teams, when his group finally calls it quits, years down the road. They still have a long ride before that day.

THESE GUYS ARE GOOD :thumb: :peace: :amen: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

check out ESPN game notes of game.

Bobcats forward Melvin Ely (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3610) missed the game with flu-like symptoms. "The guys were teasing him, saying he has the (Rasheed) Wallace flu," Bickerstaff said. ... Pistons coach Flip Saunders acknowledged the uninspired play of late from reserve Darko Milicic. "I've noticed the same thing you've noticed," Saunders said.

ME: Hey, honey -- watch this pretty alley-oop to Ben by Delfino. Should be up on replay any second now.

MY WIFE: Ooh, nice.

ME: Uh, that wasn't a replay. They just did it again.

(REPLAY OF ORIGINAL DUNK)

MY WIFE: I liked the first one better.


It was that kind of night. Team's got a serious case of the awesomes right now. :)

Looks like it could be another Pistons - Tones finals.

There has been more than a few times when Darko has grabbed an offensive rebound and couldn't finish. Speaking of finishing, shouldn't you finish getting Darko's bubble bath ready?

You're not even close to objective about the guy. He played fine tonight in meaningless minutes, but he's sucked lately and you know it. Dale Davis was in the game before him tonight.

yes. he played fine today in meaningless minutes. but if you mention that you also have to mention that he also played well at other times during the season during meaningful minutes. dale davis in the game doesn't bother me at all. he's not getting minutes because of results he's getting minutes because of his past. that's what people don't realize about dmc everyone keeps talking about earning minutes but darko not only has to earn minutes compared to what the other players are doing now but also compared to who these players once was.

i know i'm not objective about him. i've never said i was. i've always said i'm biased towards darko. i think he's going to be a great player. but other posters should also state thier bias when making negative posts.


And you took another opportunity to try to glorify a blatant bust...please list the 'several players' Darko has 'posterized'. But first:

1) Please give me your definition of several...for some reason I think your definition means more than one

2) Please give me your definition of posterize...does it include showing-up bench players from sub-par teams? Remember that it's unlikely any of those guys would ever be worthy of a poster...even if Jordan, Magic, & Bird were sitting shoulder-to-shoulder in the background.

yup. darko posterized diop off a drive from the top of the key. posterized alonzo in the miami heat game.

diop is a great young shot blocker and alonzo was throwing everything ben sent at him last year in the playoffs. i wouldn't call either of those guys sub par.

if you read my original post about darko's game tonight. i didn't glorify him at all.

check out ESPN game notes of game.

Bobcats forward Melvin Ely (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3610) missed the game with flu-like symptoms. "The guys were teasing him, saying he has the (Rasheed) Wallace flu," Bickerstaff said. ... Pistons coach Flip Saunders acknowledged the uninspired play of late from reserve Darko Milicic. "I've noticed the same thing you've noticed," Saunders said.

flip needs to get it together. if he was a good coach he would understand why dmc has been uninspired. he cut his minutes without cause. dmc went from leading the nba in blocks in the preseason to a steady decline to garbage time. his production and inspiration went down as his minutes went down. you reward a player for good play you don't cut his minutes and wonder why he isn't laying it all on the line during garbage time.

flip needs to get it together. if he was a good coach...
18-3, sounds like a good coach to me.

ME: Hey, honey -- watch this pretty alley-oop to Ben by Delfino. Should be up on replay any second now.

MY WIFE: Ooh, nice.

ME: Uh, that wasn't a replay. They just did it again.

(REPLAY OF ORIGINAL DUNK)

MY WIFE: I liked the first one better.


It was that kind of night. Team's got a serious case of the awesomes right now. :)

Thanks for the game reveiw. I think that just about sums it up!

Sounds like a good team to me.

I forgot to mention that I saw quite a bit of the Bobcats playing the Fakers last week or so, in LA. The Fakers pulled out the game by the skin of their teeth and a lot of good luck, right at the very end. I figured that the Bobcats might give the Pistons a little more of a fight on their own floor.

My bad!!

Have a great time.

Love Pistons, Red Wings, Tigers...yes

Love Buckeyes...well ok, better than U of M

Love Lions...why would you do that to your son????


Thanks! It was a great time! Yeah, I guess that was pretty cruel of me to get him hooked on the Lion's. :confused: In fact, I took up there to that famous coin toss game a few years back. One of these days those Lions are going to finally put it all together and that city is going to absolutely explode because of all of this heartache we are going thru. Oh well. At least we have our Pistons to ease the pain!

I loved this game, and if anyone can't figure it out, I'm big supporter of Delfino. He played well, dunking on Okafor, and setting up plays especially for Ben.

Garbage time or not, Darko needs to come out like the "Serbian gangsta" he is claimed to be. That's how you earn your minutes, no matter the circumstance. He got plenty of garbage time tonight, and it was the better effort than in his last showings.

Maybe you'll see him get meaningful minutes, because even in this game, Dale Davis came out as the 4th big man and did as advertised.

ME: Hey, honey -- watch this pretty alley-oop to Ben by Delfino. Should be up on replay any second now.

MY WIFE: Ooh, nice.

ME: Uh, that wasn't a replay. They just did it again.

(REPLAY OF ORIGINAL DUNK)

MY WIFE: I liked the first one better.


It was that kind of night. Team's got a serious case of the awesomes right now. :)


i went to buddys house to watch the game and his wife walked by and i said oh man what a nice alleyoop to ben
she went into the other room came back and oh sh.. he did it again her reply no that looked like a replay
my reply look at the score who needs replay we are killing them.
if delfino is not in in that guys top 10 this week i will be shocked his dunk on okafur was the sh.. delfino needs more burn!!!!

If Delfino can do that DUNK on OKAFOR and other guys like him more often I'm jumping back on his Bandwagon.

That DUNK was cool cruel man. :eyebrows:

Almost total dominance. We lost out on the rebound category again. If Darko and Jmax did not give up so many defensive rebound in the 4th quarter, we would have outrebound the Bobcats. Still, a dominant game.

Delfino is really improving and deserved all the minutes if not more. Flip should know better by giving him more time with the starters, he will develope.

Hopefully, after this game, Darko will learn too. He should understand by now that everyone, and i meant everyone (all forumites and the Pistons organization) can see that he needs to be aggressive, inspired, motivated, desire...etc to play whenever he is given the minutes, although they are garbage minutes.

i know i'm not objective about him. i've never said i was. i've always said i'm biased towards darko. i think he's going to be a great player. but other posters should also state thier bias when making negative posts.

I don't feel like I'm biased about him. I cheer and acknowledge when he does well. I guess I shouldn't turn my wrath toward the Darko supporters. I guess I should keep wondering why we drafted this guy in the first place. If the Pistons had drafted anyone else, the team would be most likely be better off in the long run than they are right now. Hard to say for sure but probably.:confused:

i know i'm not objective about him. i've never said i was. i've always said i'm biased towards darko. i think he's going to be a great player. but other posters should also state thier bias when making negative posts.

yup. darko posterized diop off a drive from the top of the key. posterized alonzo in the miami heat game.

Darko's dunk over Zo was insane. And yes, I'm, biased for Darko too, but I always thought it was a good thing to be biased FOR a Piston. I understand people who have legitimate problems with Darko and are upset, but I will never understand guys that revel in Darko's problems.

McCoskey stands out as one of them, he writes an article today calling Darko Passive, complains about Darko's game Friday, failing to notice the improvement in Darko's game on Saturday, and then at the end nonchalantly says, "well Darko did get a block and a dunk on Saturday, but he was still passive on the boards" WTF? Darko had 2 boards in 5 minutes, how is that passive? 2 more boards than DD. Jeez. If DMC plays bad, call him out on it, no problem, but give him a little props when he does well.

Also, why pick on Darko when the real story is Delfino. Every one wrote him off last year (including myself), and look what he's doing now. Now that's something to get excited about.

another blowout. everyone did good, at least almost everyone arroyo had a couple of offensivee fouls, and he couldn't get into the flow of the game. darko was okay...he needs to show more if he wants to play.

bleh i forgot to tape it, i think only the 2nd game i haven't seen all year. i was gettin drunk at the rencen though for a holiday xmas party :D lookin forward to seeing more highlights in the top 10 video :)

glad to see delfino getting time and showing that he definitely can sub for TP and not make him log so many minutes. looking at the box score i'll take evans 4/7, dice 4/6, and delfino 4/7 - go bench!! 30 points this game, 41 the previous. the starters are well rested for memphis :D

Also, why pick on Darko when the real story is Delfino. Every one wrote him off last year (including myself), and look what he's doing now. Now that's something to get excited about.

I never wrote off Delfino, as before in injury, I was preaching that he was THE bench with Dice and Hunter. He showed a lot of flash and potential (i.e. Denver game) and I believe surprisingly that LB even had him start on a few occassions. I was VERY VERY disappointed for him not making the playoff roster, but I can understand JD and LB wanted a 100% healthy bench. His attitude this season is rejuvenated, and that helps even more when you have a new coach in Flip.

And people who aren't happy with Darko (myself) have every right to be. He's in his 3rd year, every year he flashes potential in the preseason and early season, and then after that he just ends up complaining or whining about garbage time. Through 2 totally different coaches, it's the same. The kid needs to change his work ethic and just be ready to dominate in the 15 seconds of fame.

And people who aren't happy with Darko (myself) have every right to be. He's in his 3rd year, every year he flashes potential in the preseason and early season, and then after that he just ends up complaining or whining about garbage time. Through 2 totally different coaches, it's the same. The kid needs to change his work ethic and just be ready to dominate in the 15 seconds of fame.

Absolutely, I'm not criticizing you. It's the people who mock him good or bad, and mock anyone who dares stick up for the kid. He may be a bust now, but there's nothing wrong with rooting for him, and wanting him to succeed.

McCoskey stands out as one of them, he writes an article today calling Darko Passive, complains about Darko's game Friday, failing to notice the improvement in Darko's game on Saturday, and then at the end nonchalantly says, "well Darko did get a block and a dunk on Saturday, but he was still passive on the boards" WTF? Darko had 2 boards in 5 minutes, how is that passive? 2 more boards than DD. Jeez. If DMC plays bad, call him out on it, no problem, but give him a little props when he does well.

Beat writers aren't supposed to give props or criticize. They report issues with the team and write game stories. Also, reporters raise questions with key participants in the organization, like coaches. The question was raised about Darko's intensity and Flip gave some quotes about it so McCoskey wrote a story about it. That's what he's paid to do. Don't kill the messenger when it's a message you don't like. :ohwell:

Mocking Darko is almost as bad as mocking a coach who led us to two straight NBA Finals appearances, including a title.

Mocking Darko is almost as bad as mocking a coach who led us to two straight NBA Finals appearances, including a title.

I have not been knocking a coach who did good. I pointed out ahead of time, as some others did, what he was doing wrong, which resulted in us not winning the second title.

Pointing out what Darko's shortcomings are and how we would like to see him improve are not mocking. They are constructive criticism.

Mocking is denigrating him as a poster's only reason for writing and pointing out as bad things when he is doing better than people they are holding up as doing better than he. And just because he is not into doing high fives and jumping up and down does not mean he is not motivated.

What I complain about are his failure to scramble for rebounds that are just outside his reach and missing a jam. But others also miss rebounds and have missed plenty of jams, but are not held accountable. Ben is having trouble fitting into Flip's offense and being Ben, he is forgiven and we know he does other things to shine. It seems that when DMC, playing the same position and having light years less experience, can't handle the same situation, he gets all kinds of stuff thrown at him.

If we compare him with JMax, who has also had tons more experience and is older, he more than holds his on when we are talking about results and team play. When we compare him with Dale, DMC does more things to impact a game. Just because he has a look on his face that some of us do not like, he is a total flop and a wasted draft pick.

Not so, and I hope I live to see the day that most of you will have to eat your words. I have nothing bad to say about people who criticise a player or a coach. They have that coming.

It is the inane commentary that shows no real insight and are said just to give some a reason for posting, that I resent. Like these people could even get to the point these players and coaches have gotten to, let alone succeed.

Have I been :deadhorse ??? If I have, I am not the only one.

:yield:

I have not been knocking a coach who did good. I pointed out ahead of time, as some others did, what he was doing wrong, which resulted in us not winning the second title.
I think gaz was referring to 16. And if "good" is back to back Finals with one championship, I assume that Popovic must be the only example of "great".

It might be time to start giving AJ some of those final 4 minute "victory cigar" appearances. It's not doing DMC any good, and it feels like the Pistons are beating a deadhorse trying to coach and coax effort/desire.

Looking forward to the Memphis game. That's a quality team the Pistons can use as another yardstick. The Grizz play solid "D" but can be exploited in the paint, particularly if Sheed puts some early fouls on Gasol.

Beat writers aren't supposed to give props or criticize. They report issues with the team and write game stories. Also, reporters raise questions with key participants in the organization, like coaches. The question was raised about Darko's intensity and Flip gave some quotes about it so McCoskey wrote a story about it. That's what he's paid to do. Don't kill the messenger when it's a message you don't like. :ohwell:

Mocking Darko is almost as bad as mocking a coach who led us to two straight NBA Finals appearances, including a title.

From everything that I've read, Darko did play well in his 5 minutes against Charlotte, yet McCoskey said he didnt, and criticized Darko for it. Sounds like he has an agenda. As far as mocking LB, I always said he was a good coach, but considering the way the Pistons are playing now, I'd give him as much credit for the last two years as I'd give Darvin.

Darko did play decent. He made a great pass on a fast break. I just hope he's not treating the minutes as meaningless like he did last season. I'm glad Flip is saying that people need to earn their minutes on this team. Sounds like what the former coach stressed, too.

Darko did play decent. He made a great pass on a fast break. I just hope he's not treating the minutes as meaningless like he did last season. I'm glad Flip is saying that people need to earn their minutes on this team. Sounds like what the former coach stressed, too.
Darko does need to earn his mins. and if he is lazy needs to be benched, but in the same mindset, unlike how LB treated him.... if he plays well he does need to be given more time. right now, he hears the boss talking but I'm not sure he believes that he will be rewarded for giving effort. so lets hope he does get rewarded when warrented... and he understands that he controls his own future.

how is your post just to be fair??

darko has posterized several players this year. that was last year you are talking about darko missing dunks. it's not fair either cause the post had nothing to do with darko. you just took another oppurtunity to take a shot at darko when it wasn't needed at all.
point blank and period! Give it up. people!

Darko did play decent. He made a great pass on a fast break. I just hope he's not treating the minutes as meaningless like he did last season. I'm glad Flip is saying that people need to earn their minutes on this team. Sounds like what the former coach stressed, too.
Last comment on this, but I agree with everything you just said. When he blows it, give it to him. But when he does well, he needs to be rewarded. At some point, the kid has to be rewarded when he does well, otherwise Joe might as well cut him now.

Fire Millen

Last comment on this, but I agree with everything you just said. When he blows it, give it to him. But when he does well, he needs to be rewarded. At some point, the kid has to be rewarded when he does well, otherwise Joe might as well cut him now.

Fire Millen

As far as I can see, Darko's play has not ever earned him minutes this season. Darko played as many minutes in the preseason as anyone. Flip simply cut the guys minutes after that. Some games, he said darn it, I meant to play the guy. But no time. Sure Flip. Get your story together. Whatever you do, don' say stuff to the public unless you mean it. We do listen.

Darko should NEVER take those 22 footers in garbage time. It really makes it look like he doesn't care when he just keeps jacking up bricks from long range. He needs to try to get in position for offensive rebounds, so he can get himself a few easy putbacks. And he needs to bust ass running down the floor to see if one of our creative passers (Delfino/Arroyo) can get him a gimme hoop. It would make a huge difference.

Total agreement from this corner. :nod:

Same message for Clingman and Lee on your last posts, and this last post by TBird, our illustrious moderator, right on.

I agree with Lee. First LB had it out for Darko, and now Flip has it out for him. Even though he could definitely help the team, they just aren't playing him out of pure spite. Either that, or they are unable to recognize his talent and effort despite the 50 years of coaching experience they have between them.

Incidentally, I'm also kind of ticked that Flip didn't give Olowakandi more minutes. If he had, he definitely would have been the next Olajuwon.

Post Game quotes (http://www.nba.com/pistons/news/DETCHA_051217.html)

I agree with Lee. First LB had it out for Darko, and now Flip has it out for him. Even though he could definitely help the team, they just aren't playing him out of pure spite. Either that, or they are unable to recognize his talent and effort despite the 50 years of coaching experience they have between them.

Incidentally, I'm also kind of ticked that Flip didn't give Olowakandi more minutes. If he had, he definitely would have been the next Olajuwon.

Cmon Birdman... we all know that Flip & LB don't have Lee's keen eye for talent... now if we could just bring back Pepe Le Pew to run the offense.
Flip = Lair lair pants on fair
Fair his arse

I agree with Lee. First LB had it out for Darko, and now Flip has it out for him. Even though he could definitely help the team, they just aren't playing him out of pure spite. Either that, or they are unable to recognize his talent and effort despite the 50 years of coaching experience they have between them.


LOL! :rofl:

Cmon Birdman... we all know that Flip & LB don't have Lee's keen eye for talent... now if we could just bring back Pepe Le Pew to run the offense.
Flip = Lair lair pants on fair
Fair his arse

You stop that thair stuff right now Merc . You may scair away new readers coming over hair and that is shair mean. I cannot bair that thair thought. Even though every time I read his posts I just stair and stair, I dair say weir all gonna hafta bair it. I don't cair if you like it or not. It's neither haiir nor their! So get it in geir feller or weir all gonna lair at you and call you quier. It makes me want to tair my here out.

your friend,

Darth Tatair :D

I hate to break my leg getting back off the Darko Bandwagon, however, I have been unavailable for the last couple of weeks. I was back in time to catch the Chicago & Charlotte games, in both games Darko stunk up the place, now Flip is in essence verbalizing the same famous Darko quotes as LB. Just cannot see both of these great coaches being that much off the money, if I was a betting person, I would have to go on coaches word.

Playing every game as though it was game 7 being replayed again is an awesome battle cry and motivator.

The Charlotte game as well as the Chicago game gave the bench more time in Flip's Flex Offense and they are only mid way in going through his play book according to the Detroit News.

This game further showed that nonw the offense is mostly set, they can now mix in that smothering defense which equates too, points coming in bunches and keeping our opponents under one hundred point consistently. According to Tim Legler, the Pistons will not be able to do both.

We shall see "grasshopper", we shall see.