Any more thoughts on this?

Mainly a topic in the Adv league last year but it can be open to anyone willing to make a commitment.

Thing is we are going to play every year anyway. I am still not 100% sold on it but its worth seeing who else is interested.

:winner_first_h4h:The defending Advance League Champ is interested:whoo:

I look forward to the opportunity to come in last place under a new format.

I would love to play in a keeper league.

I know I said I wasn't going to play basketball or football this year, but I've been thinking of playing basketball.

One thing Max...please ONLY let in people we know won't quit.

Guys who've played with US before (any sport IS fine) and guys who have proven they will stick with it.

I don't think acceptance in this league should be automatic.

The large league size didn't bug me although I know some people didn't like it.

Yeah, if you do keeper, I'm interested. I've been wanting to try one.

i've found the baseball real fun, and sadly i am a glutton for losing so a keeper league would be interesting and i won't run like i probably should.... though advanced league may be a bit more then i should chew off....

Strong list so far.

Tater - I don't plan on running it myself. It was something I think Webz brought up actually. Kind of counting on someone else stepping up and if not then we can vote via a secret poll or something. Vote in or draft someone however you want to look at it.


I would like to hope that everyone would stick to it, however it would be nice to have the capability to absorb in a team if something comes up where someone can't go on. At least at the start of a new season anyway.

I would be interested. Darth would have to battle for second place....

I would be interested. Darth would have to battle for second place....

I would like to point out that in one hour quite a few people signed up, but as soon as Bill joined nobody else joined. That was three hours ago.

Anyone see a pattern here?

We know it's not your skill level that is scaring people. Have you checked your deodorant recently?

I would like to point out that in one hour quite a few people signed up, but as soon as Bill joined nobody else joined. That was three hours ago.

Anyone see a pattern here?

We know it's not your skill level that is scaring people. Have you checked your deodorant recently?
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Yeah sure I could probably organise it. While we are on the topic of new things, I was actually thinking about the possibility of doing an auction draft as well for the 1st year. That way, nobody gets penalised for random snake order drafting and you can get the player you covet (at a price of course). This method is a bit more time consuming, but would be pretty cool. However, I think 12 people is the max on the league. And agree with Taterz on only having strong characters on board. Or just guys with too much time on their hands. :)

Round, we'll have a JV league this year. Every season, we have run at least 2 if not 3 basketball leagues.

I'm definitely interested in a keeper league.

I'm definitely interested in a keeper league.

Cool, go find one somewhere else. :gun1:

Count me in for the Keeper League. I agree with everyones thoughts that it should be only a select few allowed to enter and perhaps no more than 12 teams. I think it will be alot of fun and you really will test your skills as a GM. What players do you franchise? Who do you waive? Do you stick with the promising young guy or dump him for a developed talent? If you have a aging superstar that has a bad year do you trade him for younger talent?

Count me in for the Keeper League. I agree with everyones thoughts that it should be only a select few allowed to enter and perhaps no more than 12 teams. I think it will be alot of fun and you really will test your skills as a GM. What players do you franchise? Who do you waive? Do you stick with the promising young guy or dump him for a developed talent? If you have a aging superstar that has a bad year do you trade him for younger talent?

If more than 12 people show interest in the Keeper League, we should vote off the extra people (ala Survivor). My vote is for Darth to get eliminated.

Webz is the new commish.

What is this auction? How does that work?

My thoughts.

1) I like 12 teams. I can go with 14 but 16 was brutal.

2) I would say if there is more demand than spots then we can go by seniority in the PF leagues. For example someone with 3 years of experience would be given preference over someone with 2 years.

Should we give preference to the advanced league 1st? Off hand I would say no and treat all experience the same as the goal is to weight it to those that we have more confidence in to stick with it. But whatever you guys want to do.

We will see. Sounding more good all the time. I am definetly in.

Webz is the new commish.

What is this auction? How does that work?

My thoughts.

1) I like 12 teams. I can go with 14 but 16 was brutal.

2) I would say if there is more demand than spots then we can go by seniority in the PF leagues. For example someone with 3 years of experience would be given preference over someone with 2 years.

Should we give preference to the advanced league 1st? Off hand I would say no and treat all experience the same as the goal is to weight it to those that we have more confidence in to stick with it. But whatever you guys want to do.

We will see. Sounding more good all the time. I am definetly in.

Yeah, 12 teams seems best, but I'm ok with 14 too. Up to the Commish.

I'm not worried about how many years experience or which league people were in as long as they are dependable. I know of a couple people who weren't in advanced last year, but I know from being with them in other leagues or knowing of their dedication and effort that they will be assets.

i might be coaxed into doing it. i know i haven't been doing much with my baseball team this year, but i'm always on top of things when it comes to fantasy hoops.

Webz is the new commish.

What is this auction? How does that work?



I can do it if everyone wants. I'll do some more research on what it takes as far as keeper is concerned. As for Auction drafting, its basically where you scrap the random snake order and everyone gets a pool of money, say $200. Then one by one, every player gets named and all teams get the opportunity to bid for his services, like a real auction.

ie. LeBron is announced and is bid for til the highest person is left standing. He could possibly go for something like $80, depending on how much team X or Y wants him. That way if there is a player you really, really want, you can have him. No more will you be left suffering with the 11th pick wondering what it would be like to have LeBron on your fantasy team. No more will luck dictate who you get to draft. The price is most definitely right!

And vice versa, you could let all the big names get gobbled up by the greedy teams, then you can stock your team with a balanced squad of 2nd and 3rd tier guys while all the others are struggling for funds. Thus strategy is - do you take 2 or 3 really good players and fill out the rest of your squad with scrubs and miscreants, or do you take the balanced approach, but lacking that 1 true stud who can carry you.

Throw in the keeper league strategy as well and you've got yourself a good head-scratching as to how to draft.

If nobody is keen for auction, fair enough, just throwing it out there. If I'm commish I'll do a poll thingy for what everyone likes and decide from there. Everyone's voice should be heard. But bear in mind, these things take longer than past leagues, so we'd be drafting earlier in the year - start getting prepared in September!

Only problem I can see with Auctions is everyone has to be available at the same time or it won't work. That means EVERY single person. Might be hard to do. Would have to open chat or something.

I'm afraid if we did an auction, I would spend my entire $200 on Trent Plaisted....

I really love the keeper league with auction idea. This makes fantasy General Management a whole new game!

Will we have a keeper scrubs league for our kids/ developing talent?

My random, non-binding thoughts:

- I'm cool with Webz as commish (anything to keep Darth and Bill out of it).

- Twelve teams would be ideal for me, but 14 wouldn't kill me.

- I've never done a keeper league or auction before, I say heck ya to both!

- I like the idea of PF.com fantasy experience being the deciding factor if we have too many applicants, but I don't think their should be a difference between Advanced vs Novice.

yay for Webz as commish
nay on auction: Its way too involved. We barely get everyone together.

12 teams only for the first year. We can expand the next year. or not.

I think we should do post count senority and involvement in fantasy leagues to determine if you get a franchise or not.

those are my votes.

I was looking into software that we could get to do this but no luck yet.

yay for Webz as commish
Yep...sucker!


nay on auction: Its way too involved. We barely get everyone together.

Initially, I thought no way. But I'm flexible on this. It will be tough to coordinate, etc.


12 teams only for the first year. We can expand the next year. or not.

Sounds like we all agree on this.

I think we should do post count senority and involvement in fantasy leagues to determine if you get a franchise or not.

Careful dude. At least one person I can think of (I won't name them publicly...kinder gentler Darth and all, but will do so privately if anyone wants to know) with lots of posts/seniority was a big offender in the advanced league last year.

those are my votes.

I was looking into software that we could get to do this but no luck yet.


See above.

Send me a pm soon Slip dawg and we can catch up. I don't have MSN any longer.

Poke around fanstar.com. I set up a fake pistonsforum league just to check it out. it looks ok . It can handle keeper leagues, auctions, h2h and a whole bunch of other things.

I really love the keeper league with auction idea. This makes fantasy General Management a whole new game!

Will we have a keeper scrubs league for our kids/ developing talent?

I have never heard of these things before. My experience does not stretch beyond the 1 novice and 2 adv years I played on yahoo with you guys.

I kind of like the idea of an auction. Namely since so much is at stake. Last year we were able to get everyone together for our 16 team league so 12 ( or 14 ) should be able to happen.

Auctions, nah....

Don't like em'. Takes too much coordination. You might want to be careful making too many changes to the existing format as the learning curve of managing a keeper league with a new fantasy b-ball engine might be enough of a headache.

And that's my two cents.

BTW, looks like I've been asked nicely to step out of my Commish seat.

What happened to my retirement party? lol.

Well, nothing's been solidified yet. In the staff version of this topic, the keeper league idea died.

However, I like the fanstar.com options and I was looking for something that can handle what we need. It would be a great opportunity to try it out.

Auctions, nah....

Don't like em'. Takes too much coordination. You might want to be careful making too many changes to the existing format as the learning curve of managing a keeper league with a new fantasy b-ball engine might be enough of a headache.

And that's my two cents.

BTW, looks like I've been asked nicely to step out of my Commish seat.

What happened to my retirement party? lol.

No slight intended Mo. I think we were all under the impression that the advanced league (which you headed) and the keeper league (which Webz brought up) were two entirely different leagues.

Either one of you guys would be great as commish, IMO.

Well, nothing's been solidified yet. In the staff version of this topic, the keeper league idea died.

However, I like the fanstar.com options and I was looking for something that can handle what we need. It would be a great opportunity to try it out.

Change makes me nervous. I'm comfortable with Yahoo. Don't they do keepers?

No slight intended Mo. I think we were all under the impression that the advanced league (which you headed) and the keeper league (which Webz brought up) were two entirely different leagues.

Either one of you guys would be great as commish, IMO.

I'm cool both ways. I was just kidding, really. I'd be down to let Webz give it a shot. New fantasy b-ball engines are scary though. Remember NBA.com? Yuck... lol.

I'm cool both ways. I was just kidding, really. I'd be down to let Webz give it a shot. New fantasy b-ball engines are scary though. Remember NBA.com? Yuck... lol.

Yessir. I remember it all too well.
Does Yahoo do keepers?

Well, nothing's been solidified yet. In the staff version of this topic, the keeper league idea died.

However, I like the fanstar.com options and I was looking for something that can handle what we need. It would be a great opportunity to try it out.

Keeper league is a great idea. It will infuse new life into our fantasy basketball league. I'll check out fanstar.com and let you know my take. When I looked for keeper leagues last year I was unable to find one that did not cost money. It would be really cool if this one satisfied our needs.

Yessir. I remember it all too well.
Does Yahoo do keepers?

Nope. That's one of the reason why I nixed the deal (finding a keeper league) last year. There was so much anguish over the failed NBA.com move that it made me gun shy.

Nope. That's one of the reason why I nixed the deal (finding a keeper league) last year. There was so much anguish over the failed NBA.com move that it made me gun shy.

Damn. OK. Whatever you guys come up with. But I hate the thought of straying from Yahoo...

Auctions, nah....

Don't like em'. Takes too much coordination. You might want to be careful making too many changes to the existing format as the learning curve of managing a keeper league with a new fantasy b-ball engine might be enough of a headache.

And that's my two cents.

BTW, looks like I've been asked nicely to step out of my Commish seat.

What happened to my retirement party? lol.

I don't know. Whatever you guys want to do. I thought you would be busy with the advanced league and I threw Webz name out there since he had originally brought up the idea.

Damn. OK. Whatever you guys come up with. But I hate the thought of straying from Yahoo...What? Like you think you're gonna get a bonus if Microsoft swings a deal? :pound:

I don't know. Whatever you guys want to do. I thought you would be busy with the advanced league and I threw Webz name out there since he had originally brought up the idea.

Well, if there is an advanced league and we can't do keeper on Yahoo, I may opt for the Yahoo league instead. This makes a big difference to me.

Does a keeper league mean that your season doesn't end at the all-star break? That has always bugged the heck out of me.

The way I see it there is nothing preventing us from jotting down our rosters and moving to a new site if a better one is found. Just re-draft your old roster on the new site.

The way I see it there is nothing preventing us from jotting down our rosters and moving to a new site if a better one is found. Just re-draft your old roster on the new site.

I've drafted in football leagues before where the commissioner writes down everyone's picks and fills them in on Yahoo after the draft. It would take some effort Max, but yes, I believe we could pull this off. Depends if the Commissioner is willing to do it.

Just read through all the comments. And yeah Mo, we all thought of the keeper league as seperate from the novice and advanced leagues, so no probs there. As for scrubs league, my enthusiasm has died on that. Linwood, you can take the reigns on that one if you want.

ESPN does leagues, and good ones too from what I've read. They do keeper leagues as well but the downer for them is it costs money. However, I just read a preview that said it will be FREE next season for the first time. Not sure if this includes keeper leagues though.

I'm just about to check out your league Slipster.

I'll check out the ESPN version as well.

You have to be very careful with these free leagues that used to be pay to play leagues. They normally cheapen the product and don't offer as many bells and whistles to the non paying crowd. Also the customer support is not a s good as they primarily focus on the premium leagues i.e. "paying customers".

You have to be very careful with these free leagues that used to be pay to play leagues. They normally cheapen the product and don't offer as many bells and whistles to the non paying crowd. Also the customer support is not a s good as they primarily focus on the premium leagues i.e. "paying customers".

I'm thinking this isn't such a great idea...for me.

I've been reading up on this stuff and it seems like usually you get to keep about three players. So it's really not such a big deal. Combine that with what you pointed out above and I think I'm not too interested in the keeper league after all.

Also, the more I think about it, I am not willing to make such a long term commitment. Plus, the draft is really exciting for me. I think it won't be as cool with the top 30 players gone before it even begins.

Darth will be joining the advanced league. Gonna pass on the Keeper.

ESPN Keeper leagues cost $49.95 per team. They last 3 years and only let you keep 3 players. The draft is in order of record from the previous year. The thing about that is it may have the opposite effect of what we are looking for i.e. players tanking the year to get the top pick.

ESPN - Rules - Keeper Leagues - Fantasy Basketball (http://sports.espn.go.com/fantasy/basketball/fba/story?page=fbaruleskeeperleagues)

I am still joining the regular advanced league regardless. You are not getting rid of the comeback kid that easy..

We we can keep looking at keeper league options and if it does not work out then it does not work out. ESPN is a bit steep. Obviously free is the best option. If there is something that charges a more reasonable fee then we can look into that and see who is still open.

I am still joining the regular advanced league regardless. You are not getting rid of the comeback kid that easy..

We we can keep looking at keeper league options and if it does not work out then it does not work out. ESPN is a bit steep. Obviously free is the best option. If there is something that charges a more reasonable fee then we can look into that and see who is still open.

Max, check out this link. ESPN is free as of next season.

LINK (http://sports.espn.go.com/fantasy/basketball/fba/story?id=3463823)

The fantasy basketball staff will be covering the NBA offseason through to the launch of the fantasy basketball draft kit in August. This year, for the first time, you will be able to play fantasy basketball for free on ESPN.com.


I agree some caution is probably a good thing concerning Auction (maybe not a goer), but I'll keep researching this Keeper stuff, plenty of people do it. We got lots of time.

Max, check out this link. ESPN is free as of next season.

LINK (http://sports.espn.go.com/fantasy/basketball/fba/story?id=3463823)

I agree some caution is probably a good thing concerning Auction (maybe not a goer), but I'll keep researching this Keeper stuff, plenty of people do it. We got lots of time.

I must have been looking at last years rates then for a customized league. Tried going through but it does not look like you can with NBA yet.

Yes thats the good thing about looking early, plenty of time to decide.

Poke around fanstar.com. I set up a fake pistonsforum league just to check it out. it looks ok . It can handle keeper leagues, auctions, h2h and a whole bunch of other things.

Slippy, looks like the fanstar website costs money? Found this in the FAQ.

Q. How much does it cost to setup a league?
A. There is no cost to setup a league. We allow our potential customers to test drive the site before purchasing. However, if you do choose to use our site it is $89 per league. The payment must be made in full by opening day.

I'm thinking this isn't such a great idea...for me.

Darth will be joining the advanced league. Gonna pass on the Keeper.

Careful mate. If you pass up this opportunity once you might not get another chance... EVER!! :gun1:

I've drafted in football leagues before where the commissioner writes down everyone's picks and fills them in on Yahoo after the draft. It would take some effort Max, but yes, I believe we could pull this off. Depends if the Commissioner is willing to do it.

I don't think the Commissioner would necessarily have to do all of the work. If you pick a league without the Keeper option (e.g., Yahoo), everyone would just have to declare their keeper guys (say we went with 5) at the end of the season.

When the next season began, each person would be required to draft their keeper guys in those first 5 rounds. After that, it would be a free-for-all like a normal draft.

I don't think the Commissioner would necessarily have to do all of the work. If you pick a league without the Keeper option (e.g., Yahoo), everyone would just have to declare their keeper guys (say we went with 5) at the end of the season.

When the next season began, each person would be required to draft their keeper guys in those first 5 rounds. After that, it would be a free-for-all like a normal draft.

Thats what I was thinking - something along those lines.

Seems to be a PM convo going on about money re: fantasy.

If there is a "league fee" and it is not unreasonable ($89 is reasonable to me), the forum will bear the cost. If there is a per team fee, then we will have to decide collectively if that is something we want to do or not.

I know in some keeper leagues, an annual buy in, with prizes at the end from the buy in, are used to keep people playing. If a quitter wants to walk away from $X, then that improves everyone else's prize lot.

That said, I can see bitterness and bad feelings if money gets involved. We've already had a few small fantasy spats in the past when no money was involved.

Again, I'll repeat. The forum will bear the league fee, if required. So go find the system that will work best, to make this a success, and don't let zero cost be a primary factor in determining what we use next season.

Sound good?

Seems to be a PM convo going on about money re: fantasy.

If there is a "league fee" and it is not unreasonable ($89 is reasonable to me), the forum will bear the cost. If there is a per team fee, then we will have to decide collectively if that is something we want to do or not.

I know in some keeper leagues, an annual buy in, with prizes at the end from the buy in, are used to keep people playing. If a quitter wants to walk away from $X, then that improves everyone else's prize lot.

That said, I can see bitterness and bad feelings if money gets involved. We've already had a few small fantasy spats in the past when no money was involved.

Again, I'll repeat. The forum will bear the league fee, if required. So go find the system that will work best, to make this a success, and don't let zero cost be a primary factor in determining what we use next season.

Sound good?

Roscoe,

It's very generous of you to have the forum bear the costs of the league, if necessary.

I'm not planning to participate in this particular league, but please heed your own warning for caution. Despite the fact that we have quality people here who generally get along, money leagues make things very touchy. I would advise against a league where people can make money.Sooner or later, something bad almost always happens.

Kind of waiting on some other feedback here.

I agree with Tater on the prize issue.

Thanks again Roscoe for the generous offer. Its far more than I expected . However I vote to decline. Namely since its not that important and it may be generate hard feelings from other members. Maybe not but you never know.

Kind of waiting on some other feedback here.

I agree with Tater on the prize issue.

Thanks again Roscoe for the generous offer. Its far more than I expected . However I vote to decline. Namely since its not that important and it may be generate hard feelings from other members. Maybe not but you never know.

I don't think Roscoe was speaking about a prize, but more less the fee involved in establishing the league. With that said, I think we should explore the keeper league that you don't have to pay to play first to see if forum members actually like it.

I still would like to participate in the Advanced League. I have to revenge my 3rd place finish. :gun1:

I don't think Roscoe was speaking about a prize, but more less the fee involved in establishing the league. With that said, I think we should explore the keeper league that you don't have to pay to play first to see if forum members actually like it.

I still would like to participate in the Advanced League. I have to revenge my 3rd place finish. :gun1:

I know, I was commenting on the league fees in the 2nd part.

Now that Tater decided to drop out, I think this league will be very fun. :pound:

Now that Tater decided to drop out, I think this league will be very fun. :pound:

It's always more fun when you actually have a chance to win the trophy. :wedgie:

It's always more fun when you actually have a chance to win the trophy. :wedgie:

Trophy? LOL. This Keeper League will have prizes, cash awards, game tickets, etc. Too bad you dropped out. Na na na na na!!!

Trophy? LOL. This Keeper League will have prizes, cash awards, game tickets, etc. Too bad you dropped out. Na na na na na!!!

Thats right. It will be hard to get a place in this league once it's established, especially if you had the opportunity and declined. That would put you in the position of least priority if you changed your mind when deciding between new additions if a spot opened up. :nerner:

As for the paying part, I don't think it's necessary but many thanks for the offer Roscoe. Put the money towards an early Christmas present for yourself. I know you've had your eye on that Cheik Samb jersey for some time...

Thats right. It will be hard to get a place in this league once it's established, especially if you had the opportunity and declined. That would put you in the position of least priority if you changed your mind when deciding between new additions if a spot opened up. :nerner:



:suspiciouI can see this league is already teeming with the foul stench of corruption.:skull: