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  1. linwood

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    The first year I followed the Pistons was 1995. I watched the National Televised Pistons games in the late 80's and early 90's like any casual television basketball fan, but the first year I really followed the team was when I moved to Ypsilanti in 1995.

    Their Championship years fading into the past, the 1995 Pistons were in full rebuild mode. They had a few promising young players: Lindsey Hunter, Grant Hill, Allan Houston, and Micheal Curry; a couple of rooks: Don Reid and Theo Ratliff; and Veteran Leadership: Joe Dumars, Otis Thorpe.

    Coach: Don Reid.

    How would you compare the talent of the 1995 Pistons to the 2010 Pistons? Position by position, include management if you have the time.
     
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    Funny, none of those players lead to our glory years. Hill, Houston and Hunter were supposed to be the 3 young players that lead us back to the top of the NBA, Lindsey didn't turn out so well, Allan left with nothing to show, Grant went to Orl and turned into the rock upon which we built our success. The talent on that 1995 team was far greater than this one, Grant Hill and Allan Houston were true to life bonafied all-stars, I can't say the same for Austin Daye and Rodney Stuckey. This team is deep, but it's deep with 2nd and 3rd tier players, we need a STUD!
     
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    Interesting comparison. The 95-96 team won 46 games and got swept in the first round. But they had only won 28 games the year before, they had Hill, Houston and Hunter and really looked like they were on their way.

    I think if Houston hadn't betrayed us this team might have really been solid.
     
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    I think we may have stumbled upon something. If Dumards hands are really tied by Mrs. [STRIKE]$$$[/STRIKE] D and he can't make trades or fire Kuester then he should make them wear the teal uniforms as a punishment. Shoot, they should make Joe wear his old one while he tweets and stuffs popcorn in his face during the games.
     
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    Houston could really light it up, but he wasn't much of a defender. I'm not sure that 1995 Allan Houston would be a big improvement over Ben Gordon. He walked the next season, and the Pistons brought in Aaron McKie and Rick Mahorn. Rick Mahorn. With Mahorn and Dumars on the team, the Pistons had two fossils from the Championship era. An old defensive specialist and a past-his-prime former allstar guard. Dumars was in his 11th year and averaged just under 15 points and 4 assists for the season. These numbers aren't too far from Rip Hamilton's numbers this season. Mahron was past his prime, just like Ben Wallace.

    Without Houston, the Pistons won 54 games. Things quickly fell apart after that.
     
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    As of today, this this team has a way to go before they can aspire to the Teal.
     
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    I always liked Doug Collins as a coach. I think he could have motivated our current team better than coach Q.
     
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    Oh, but you do remember the weeping and gnashing of teeth when Collins was coach here don't you? [SARCASM]Oh...he was waaaaay to tough on our young players' fragile mentality and was such a "basket case." There's no way we could survive having Collins as a coach.[/SARCASM]
     
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    Well you know what Flip Saunders said...you never really appreciate a guy until he's gone. And Collins had an unfair advantage in "coach-on-the-court" Curry.
     
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    I wasn't following the Pistons at all while Collins was coach, but in hindsight, Collins WAS a basket case.
     
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    I like Doug Collins.
    He cares.
     
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    90's team usually made the playoffs so. They always lost in the 1st round but the Eastern conference was a lot tougher back then. The 1995 team probably would have beaten the 2002 team that advanced to the ECF.
     
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    I liked Collins, too. Probably too much of a micro-manager and could become grating on players over time. Perhaps these issues wouldn't be a problem if he came back today.
     
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    Collins was a good coach. Rumor was that he was trying to get fired during his 3rd year and it happened. Today - he would not have tolerated whats going on with the team so he would have been a better fit than Q.

    He also made the trade that eventually brought us in the #2 draft pick in 2003 - which Dumars blew on Darko.
     
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    Here are the rosters. Who wants to do a player-by-player comparison?

    2010 vs 1995 Starters:
    PG – Stuckey vs. Joe Dumars
    SG – Hamilton vs. Allan Houston
    SF – Prince vs. Grant Hill
    PF – Maxiel vs. Terry Mills
    C – Wallace vs. Mark West

    2010 vs 1995 Bench:
    6. Gordon vs. Lindsey Hunter
    7. Daye vs. Rafael Addison
    8. Villenueva vs. Oliver Miller
    9. McGrady vs. Johnny Dawkins
    10. Monroe vs. Eric Leckner
    11. Bynum vs. Mark Macon
    12. Jerebko vs. Bill Curley
    13. Summers vs. Negele Knight
    14. White vs. Walter Bond
    15. Wilcox vs. Mike Peplowski
     
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    I remember a Otis Thorpe, Theo Ratliff and Don Reid. Plus they had Rick Mahorn until he got hurt and Michael Curry. Allen Houston left for NY in the summer of 95 That may have been the 1993-94 Pistons which only won 27 games. Pre-Collins.

    If I can recall 95-96 I think the starters were something like.

    PG - Hunter
    SG - Dumars
    SF - Grant Hill
    C - Don Reid
    PF - Otis Thorpe

    Bench - M. Curry, T. Mills, Mahorn, Ratliff, I am not sure of the others.
     
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    The thread was 1995, not 1996. Now, you're changing the year.....
     
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    Ok, Yes if it was 1994-95 then you are correct. They sucked though - 28 wins. Don Cheney was the coach.
     
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    One similarity is that they both suck, which to the greater degree is the debate.

    Terry Mills was the SH#&!!!
     

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