8 Months Later Monroe or Cousins

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  1. Walter

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    That sounds like Pistons DNA to me.
     
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    Almost every projection I have looked at in the last month has us taking an undersized PF in both the 1st and 2nd round...

    Maybe thats the problem, Joe looks at these stupid things and not at what the needs of the team are :stirthepot:
     
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    After the top 15 in the draft, I don't think any of those projections/mocks have EVER accurately predicted who Joe takes.
     
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    Smith is already somewhat redundant considering both he and Horford should be playing the 4. I wasn't implying that his contract is up this summer, but I do know there have been rumors mentioning him occasionally. With so much money dedicated to Joe Johnson and Al Horford (despite Horford being a steal) I don't think they're looking to sign Smith to another big contract to have two 4's. The sooner they deal him, the more they get in return.
     
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    Looks like our projected pick ranks lowest in NBA readiness, strength, and defense, but he's off the charts in "potential".

    Oh yeah, and he's a 7'0 lefty from an Eastern European country...

    All they did was cut and pasted their scouting report from 2004 for a similar player.

    If Joe drafts this guy, Mulligan will be his nickname.
     
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    If that is what we are projected to get then let the Taynking begin
     
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    Jimmerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!
     
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    Against SDSU, he shot 8-23 and he actually needed his teammates help for the win. Good to see he can be human at times. :)
     
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    Most of these mock drafts just rank the players and correspond the picks with the draft order. They don't look at a team's roster or current needs.
     
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    Interesting. BYU has cut recently, a starting player, a forward who averaged 11 points per game for breaking the CODE....

    Here is the honor code, according to Wikipedia:

    Standards

    The BYU honor code governs not only academic behavior, but morality, and dress and grooming standards of students and faculty, with the aim of providing an atmosphere consistent with LDS principles. The Honor Code requires:
    • Abstinence from illicit drugs, alcohol, tobacco, coffee, and tea (substances forbidden by the LDS Word of Wisdom)
    • Honesty
    • Encouraging others in their commitment to keep the Honor Code
    • Living a chaste and virtuous life:
      • Appropriate gender-specific behavior (no sexual harassment)
      • No involvement with pornographic or indecent material
      • No inappropriate sexual activity (no sexual relationships outside of marriage)
      • No homosexual behavior
    • Obedience to the law
    • Active participation in Church services (according to whatever religion one is a member)
    • Respect for others
    • Clean language
    • Following the "Residential Living Standards" (visiting hours for members of the opposite sex)
    • Dress and Grooming Standards. Abiding by the guidelines for dress, grooming, and housing. Skirts and shorts must reach to the knee and shirts may not be sleeveless. Form fitting, strapless and revealing clothing is not appropriate. Male students may not wear beards or goatees without permission; such permission is usually granted only to men with skin conditions aggravated by shaving, men whose religious beliefs require them to wear beards, or theatrical performances requiring beards.
    • Students are prohibited from having guns on campus.[5]
     
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    Maybe he is a gym rat with killer biceps and it's all just a misunderstanding. :yellowprison:
     
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    That's how the Pistons draft picks are made right? By smell, not touch? Why by taste when you can hear? I can't see! You see? :confused:
     
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    There were several reasons why I wanted to go to college... that code discourages all of them.
     
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    nice read , thnx walt. True he doesnt make the typical bonehead fouls or turnovers most rooks do especially the typical lumbering big. I cant wait til a coach figures out that we need to use him as a facilitator and not just screen and roll with him. he can make good judgement distribution with the ball in his hands. Last night I couldnt believe how many times his teammates threw the ball at his ankles or behind him, they left alot of points out there by missing him on his cuts. And even after he stole the ball and was running down the sideline did anyone else notice Rip reach in to try to take the ball from him and cause him to lose it out of bounds?
     
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    I guess I'd also compare him to PF's throughout history, not just centers. Turnover rate is low, but so are his assists (yeah, I know he's a good passer). When he starts passing more often, his turnovers will naturally increase. The Pistons also have the 2nd slowest offense in the league, so a center who doesn't pass much won't have many opportunities to make risky passes.

    And Demarcus who? the author asks. The answer is the guy who is beating out Monroe in just about every statistical measure.

    On the flip side, Monroe's blocks are almost historically freakish for a center too, on the other end of the spectrum though.

    Overall, Monroe is 8th on the team in simple rating, 7th in on/off +/-, 11th on the Pistons in scoring rate, about tied with Wilcox in rebounding rate, 10th on the team in assist rate, 5th on the team in block rate (behind Wallace, Daye, Maxiell, and Villanueva). His steals are great though, only behind Will Bynum and Ben Wallace.

    The author of the article basically took his low turnover rate and decent FG% and made it seem like he was a once in a generation big man. In reality, he's living up to his #7 pick.
     
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    true, but he also never gets his # called, so all his points are off his own hustle, cant really relate that to cousins since cousins has sets every game. I can only remember 1 game where they made an effort to get the offense through gm for a period of time and If Im not mistaken he had a hell of a stat line.
     
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    Few bigs do get their numbers called anymore it seems like. It's sort of a migration to the skill players over the past 20 years. Even Bosh has to raise a stink to get the ball.

    Monroe has the triangle in him, I know it.

    Can Laimbeer coach it?
     
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    Yeah, also the guy who is also laughable inefficient for any front court player, let alone center.
     
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    Your statistical comparison of Cousins to Monroe just doesn't pass muster: Monroe is more than 2 points ahead of Cousins in PER.

    While you can certainly argue that Cousins has more upside, the truth is that Cousins is often the focal point of the Kings offense, while Monroe is never the focal point of ours. It's also clear that in time, Monroe has an enormous skill set and it's highly likely that he'll grow quickly into a focal point of the Pistons offense.

    But the facts are the facts, Monroe is very much outperforming Cousins this season - and that doesn't even factor in how much better he's been than Cousins since Greg's awful first month of the season, when he had an 8.5 PER. It's now 16.9 or so.

    I also think Monroe has much more room for growth in his personal athleticism than Cousins does. (I suppose Cousins could lose 20 pounds, but I doubt he will). Monroe is going to get a ton stronger and signficantly more athletically explosive than he is right now. And let's not even forget that it's highly unlikely that Cousins will ever be anywhere near as mature as a man and as a teammate as Monroe is today.
     

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