A Quick Sprocket Points Update

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  1. dba

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    I just had a couple of minutes to calculate some Sprocket Points for the Pistons. Here are the top lines.
    (The value used in the comparison is the Sprocket Points Index - % of Team Sprocket Points / % of Team Minutes Played. A value of 100 is the average Pistons player. Above 100 is good, below is bad, relative to the team’s average production.)

    Overall the team is far less productive than last year. Sprocket Points per game are down nearly 9%. That’s the second biggest drop in the league. The Pistons dropped 14 places from 8th to 22nd in the Sprocket point team ranking. That corresponds to a drop in winning percentage from 2nd to 16th, also a drop of 14 places. (Note: Team numbers are through the all star break. They may be a little higher after the last few games. Player numbers include all games except last night.)

    Best player
    McDyess – index of 136
    Dyess has been far and away the most productive Pistons player. He’s shooting 52%, pretty amazing given the kind of shots he takes, and averaging 9.0 boards in only 28 minutes a game. That’s an 11% improvement over last year.

    Next tier –
    Sheed – index of 112
    Sprocket Points down about 10% from last year, mirroring the overall team decline.

    Amir – index of 110
    Amir has taken a 24% drop in productivity this year while playing more minutes. He’s simply not the player he was last year when he had the highest index on the team at 132.

    Max – index of 108
    Max is down about 8% year over year. He’s shooting the ball better, but free throw percentage, rebounding, and blocks are way down from last year. He’s also playing fewer minutes per game.

    Prince – index of 107
    Tay is up over last year despite the team decline. Last year’s index was 95. That’s being driven by a healthy increase in his three point shooting percentage (up to nearly 40%) and he’s having a career rebounding year, up a board and a half per game over last year. Easily the most improved player.


    Below average in productivity
    Rip – index of 89.
    Rip’s drop is nearly 12%, a bit bigger than the team average. He’s at 11.9% of team minutes versus 12.2% last year, only down about 0.4 minutes per game, so the decline isn’t from a decline in playing time. I’d guess it’s mostly from a lack of Billups who got him the game exactly where he wanted it exactly when he wanted it.

    Stuckey – index of 96
    That’s up from 87 last year even with the increase in minutes. Not exactly Billups like (Billups was the second most productive player last year with an index of 121.), but still he has stepped up his game a bit more than his increase in minutes would have predicted. Not bad for a near rookie.

    AA – index of 53
    His minutes are about the same as last year, and while a 53 is pretty bad, it is a bit better than his 47 from last season.

    Walt – index of 73
    That’s down from 85 last year, a 20% decline in Sprocket Points per game. But the Dr J index is way up.


    New guys
    AI – index of 93
    Better than Rip, and not bad for someone who shoots that much.

    Bynum – index of 100
    Not too shabby.

    Kwame – index of 95 Could be worse. Actually, he’s shooting over 56% and rebounding well for the minutes he plays. His turnovers per minute are twice as high as any other big man, just about the same as Bynum, Stuckey, and AI. Maybe he should be playing point.
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    I think the small ball stint killed Rip's non-box score stats this year.

    Maybe this explains why our bigs are so highly rated compared to our guards? Or do the sprocket points reward big men too much?

    Amir could be the same player he was last year, it's just that he's matched up against starters this year vs. bench players last year. Pretty good Sprocket points total for a guy who sits out 75% of the time.
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    SB may have hurt Rip, but playing the four may have helped Tay.

    I'm not sure about rewarding bigs too much. CB was the best Piston last year. Of the top ten current players the ranking is...

    LBJ
    DHo
    Wade
    Paul
    Duncan
    Gasol
    Lee
    Kidd
    Dirk
    Kobe

    Basically it rewards guys who produce stats. Boards are highly weighted, but then boards are pretty important.
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    Do you know how each of our players rank in the league?
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    Player / Sprocket Points Rank / Sprocket Points per 48 Min Rank
    Prince - 41 - 145
    Wallace - 66 - 124
    Iverson - 90 - 213
    Stuckey - 105 - 196
    McDyess - 129 - 48
    Hamilton - 132 - 239
    Maxiell - 192 - 139
    Johnson - 222 - 129
    Brown - 285 - 205
    Affalo - 294 - 400
    Bynum - 314 - 182
    Herrmann - 333 - 320
    Sharpe - 430 - 430

    Rankings within Position - same fields
    Prince - 5 - 16
    Wallace - 14 - 53
    Iverson - 21 - 35
    Stuckey - 25 - 30
    McDyess - 28 - 17
    Hamilton - 17 - 28
    Maxiell - 41 - 42
    Johnson - 49 - 38
    Brown - 54 - 66
    Affalo - 58 - 73
    Bynum - 66 - 26
    Herrmann - 67 - 60
    Sharpe - 92 - 92
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    That's pretty terrible, isn't it? Our best player is 41st in the league?

    And Rip is 132nd?

    These guys suck at Sprockets.
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    I think Sprocket points is pretty neat to be honest.

    I'd like to see Sprocket versus PER for rankings. We could pretty much spend entire years on statistical analysis. I do enjoy the creative discovery aspect, even if I don't always agree with the conclusions.
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    Got the 5th best SF, guards and big men in the teens and twenties.

    You're a glass half empty kind of guy aren't you?
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    I'm not trying to be negative, just pointing out that we don't really have any players who do very well on this index.

    There are potentially 60 guys out there who should have been on the All-start team instead of AI if we go by Sprocket points... and I'm not disagreeing with that.
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    We all know the All Star starters are more a collection of beauty pageant contestants rather than necessarily the best basketball players, but still...

    All Star Starters - Player / SP Rank / SP/48 Rank (for games played through the break)

    East
    James - 1 - 2
    Howard - 2 - 1
    Wade - 5 - 9
    Bosh - 9 - 22
    Garnett - 15 - 8
    Pierce - 27 - 84
    Granger - 31 - 66
    Harris - 36 - 50
    Lewis - 44 - 98
    Allen - 63 - 134
    Iverson - 68 - 124
    Nelson - 81 - 49
    Williams - 82 - 127

    West -
    Paul - 3 - 3
    Duncan - 4 - 6
    Gasol - 7 - 11
    Bryant - 12 - 20
    Nowitzki - 14 - 24
    Ming - 18 - 10
    Stoudemire - 23 - 45
    Roy - 24 - 42
    Billups - 40 - 69
    O'Neal - 41 - 17
    West - 51 - 76
    Parker - 74 - 55

    Team Averages
    East - 36 - 60
    West - 26 - 32


    Best of the rest by position...
    Centers
    Al Jefferson - 6 - 7
    David Lee - 8 - 12

    Point Guards
    Jason Kidd - 11 - 16
    Rondo - 13 - 15

    Power Forwards
    Antawn Jamison - 16 - 40
    Troy Murphy - 19 - 13

    Shooting Guards
    Vince Carter - 26 - 64
    Joe Johnson - 29 - 83

    Small Forwards
    Kevin Durant - 21 - 63
    Andre Iguodala - 22 - 53

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