Acker vs. Dupree

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  1. DaviaG-Rap

    DaviaG-Rap First Round Draft Pick

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    If these first few preseason games are any indication it would appear that Dupree has the upper hand on that last roster spot. Also, this quote: "I feel I'm going to be here (in Detroit)," Dupree said. "As far as making the team, I'm not really concerned about that." Is that just confident optimism?... or does he know something that we don't?

    What do you want to bet that we are looking for a team overseas, right now, that can take Acker off our hands for a year? We did the same thing with Paulding, right?

    One thing is for sure if we end up "losing" either Acker or Dupree my disdain for Lindsey will continue to swell. How much does anyone see Hunter contributing anyway? I don't see him getting more than 5-10mpg in the playoffs- simply as a change of pace defensive specialist. Is it worth possibly losing a good young prospect over? I hope so.
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    I'm wondering about Acker's contract status. Now that he has a non-guaranteed deal, does this mean that we lose his rights if he isn't on the roster?

    Dupree seems to be playing very well, but we are already deep at that position and his contract ends this year anyway.

    Interesting predicament for Joe.
  3. lazyberbs

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    I would come in favor of Dupree

    Ron is capable of contributing this year and I have doubts if any of the rooks are going to be able to make any real contribution THIS year. I believe they are all going to be good players but not yet. Ron can contribute now; he could have last year, but is a complete grade better this year.

    I am also of the opinion that I would lose a little of my very real respect for Lindsay if he stays, if it means we have to lose either Acker or Dupree. I just cannot see Lindsay making a huge contribution this year, but :doh: I have been wrong before.

    I was wrong about one thing, one time. :eyebrows: I thought I had made a mistake. :sorry:
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    This is how I look at it... If we can send Acker over to Europe for a year and hold his draft rights, then we keep Dupree and do that. If not, Dupree needs to be cut (or traded). It's not like he's going to get playing time with Evans and Delfino around anyways, so it's pointless to lose a talent like Acker (who is very versatile), just to have Dupree rot on our inactive list for another year. It's better for everyone if Dupree leaves. He won't get any minutes here as it is.
  5. jammertime

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    beware of horse

    Not to beat a dead horse but.... I'm about to beat a dead horse.

    :deadhorse

    I've said it before but I'd prefer seeing Ron make the roster and sending AJ to the D league for a season.

    He's the youngest and least NBA ready of our rookies, in my opinion.

    However, if CA can hold down the backup PG spot, barring injury, we should be pretty good at G with all of our combo G/F's. So given Acker's non guarenteed contract, he'd be a good candidate for the D.

    I'd rather see AJ go down rather than Acker, but I'd also rather see Ron on the team than 2 more rookies. Just from a development stand point for the rookies and from a leadership and proven veteran stand point for the bench.

    Alright I'm done. My foot is getting tired from all this kicking.
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    jammer, we can only send a roster guy down.

    It doesnt solve the problem by sending someone to the D-League because we can only carry a max of 15 including the guys in the minors.

    So someone still has to get voted off of the island...
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    We need Dupree & the 3 little Bears

    Let me make this perfectly clear. I love Lindsey Hunter! I believe he has been a great Piston, if not a great player. He has acquitted himself for not being the next Isiah, by being, in his later years, a significant reason we got the ring.

    Having said all that, it's time for us to drop the pacifier, and get on with the business of living and winning. Lindsey needs to retire to make room for the next generation of Pistons.

    Let's face it, if we need Lindsey to win, we're in worse shape than we think. Someone can, and will step up to fill the void, and they'll be doing it on younger, faster, and stronger legs.

    So, who'll be the first to put a clipboard in Lindsey's hands?
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    Undecided

    I need to see Acker play more to make a judgement. So far I have seen 3 mins of him and was not impressed. But Billups has been working with him and if he takes the time then something must be there.
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    I was under the impression that because Acker's contract wasn't guarenteed yet it wouldn't count against our 15 if we sent him down.

    My thinking was that we could send Acker down and keep Dupree because Acker wouldn't count against our 15.

    I'm not very familiar with the D league and how it all works. My bad.

    It would be nice if it worked like the NFL does with the practice roster where the players don't count against the active roster, but can be added at any time. (Except for the part about being able to be signed by another team at any time).

    Or like hockey or baseball where you can call guys up and send them down much easier.
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    Acker vs Dupree?

    This seems to be what it comes down to.

    Pencil me in as a vote for Ronnie!
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    Man y'all crazy. The adoration for young unproven players that can not contribute to a championship run simply amazes me on these forums. LOOK!!!! The road to a title goes through Indy/Miami and then SanAnton.

    Lindsey is critical in those series. Against Indy you're looking at a guy that can shut down their PG (1st and 2nd string) and change the flow of the game, against Miami he proved to be very useful against Wade.

    Joe is very smart with this roster he knows you are going to have to beat Miami to win the East, so he gets a roster where he can throw waves of fresh defenders at their top 2 players. If you're Wade you get guarded by Tayshaun, Rip, Mo Evans and Lindsey??? He will never get a free play in a best of seven series.

    Against SanAnton, same scenario for Ginobli and Parker, I personally believe that Joe brought in Evans with Ginobli in mind.

    You guys somtimes tend to forget that the playoffs for a legit contender has different demands than a regular playoff team. If you're Chicago, Wash, Clev, or Milw it's in you're best interest to cut Lindsey and go with unproven youth because your window is 3-5 years down the road, for us WE NEED LINDSEY MORE THAN ACKER. Acker has not done 1 thing in this NBA preseason to make you say, "wow, he can really play and help this team".....this ain't summerleague!!!!
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    Hate to say this but...

    Trade Arroyo to Atlanta for Delk (been saying that all summer), Retire Hunter and keep Acker. Why? Delk is a fine defender and three ball threat in his last year which frees up some cash for Prince and B. Wallace. Hunter has served, but with out the knees and ankles his defence will suffer. Billups, Delk and Acker are great PGs to have.
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    I think you make a very good point. In our particular position we will need Hunter down the road this year more than we need a rookie with potential.
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    There are times when keeping your word is worth as much as the millions you dish out to any given player. I understand that when Joe traded lindsey away, he told him that he'd try to get him back. And he did. The articles surrounding Joe and Lindsey insinuate that Joe gave Lindsey assurances that he would retire a piston.

    Lindsey has been a model employee for this franchise since he was drafted and he still has a role on this team. I don't see Joe waiving Lindsey and I don't see him playing games like making him video professor or court sweeper just to open a roster spot for a guy that was passed up by virtually every team...twice.

    and ditto what KGREG said too.
  16. DaviaG-Rap

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    hmmm

    Maybe it would be in the best interest for everyone if we just trade Dupree to New Orleans or some other lottery team for a second round pick. I don't think Lindsey deserves a spot over Dupree, but it doesn't really make sense to have 4 backup SF's if you are counting Maxiell.
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    Dave, exactly. Thank you.

    It doesn't matter how great Ron plays unless he can steal Evans job. We're married to J-Max for at least 2 years.

    It's not about who gets voted off of the island vs. another player per se, but at which position. Some positions have a lot of depth. The 3 is one of them.

    Keep in mind that Super Dup has an expiring deal this year and even if he stays with the Pistons, he'll probably never see 10 MPG.
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    I in no shape form or fashion see J-Max being able to play the 3 spot, dude is not athletic or agile enough for that in this league.

    Wave and Dave think about this, there is no more depth at the wing than there is at the pt spot. Joe and johnny H have said that if Acker is going to make this squad it will be at the 1. Has Ack shown anything that we can't eventually get from any journeyman PG?? Now pre-season isn't over, but I'm not blown away by Ack, he's aiight, but he isn't demonstrating to the team....cutting ME(Ack) will be a huge mistake, they way Dupree is, and has done. Hell I feel Smush had/has more game, upside and athletecism than Ack does.
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    Dupree

    I don't see how anyone that watched last night's game would want to trade Dupree. I would rather trade Acker for a 2nd round pick or release Hunter. Dupree can make a difference in games this year.
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    Why yall hating on lindsey man? I'm very sure he'll be here for a couple more years.

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