Alright Low, you've inspired me. I'm assembling Ben Wallace's best box score for each category... The points game- 12/4/04 vs. NOH 22 points 8 rebounds 1 assist 2 steals 2 blocks The Rebounds game- 3/24/02 vs. Boston 13 points 28 rebounds 0 assist 1 steal 6 blocks The assists game- 12/16/06 vs. Chicago 6 points 15 rebounds 8 assists 3 steals 3 blocks The steals game- 12/16/01 vs. LAC 9 points 14 rebounds 2 assists 6 steals 4 blocks The blocks game- 11/20/02 vs. Miami 12 points 19 rebounds 1 assist 1 steal 10 blocks When he had a great game in one category, the other tended to be very strong as well. It's like he was supercharged some nights. Also notice that all of his career highs were in the Pistons uniform. And to consider that we got this beast in exchange for Mr. Surgery... what a steal.
Well, at this point I think the bloom is either off the rose around the league, or there are some true believers out there in GM land that would try to get this guy no matter what. So his tradability is a wash. He has next year on his contract. I think the only way he gets a MLE or better deal is to have a very good (not great) year. He has to be consistent with his minutes and results. If he blows up, Joe is well positioned with his Bird Rights to keep him or sign and trade him. And he's relatively cheap right now, considering he makes less than the league average and if he is less than average, it's not by much.
I think we can safely make a decision after the first 30-40 games of the season. He'll be in the starting lineup consistently and we'll all see what he can do. Of course, his W/L ratio will be tainted by the fact that he'll be starting next to Jeff Foster, our new starting center for whom Dumars traded Bynum.
Woah...I didn't even remember that 12, 19, and 10 game. That's just silly. Now, this is where I will sign on. Amir doesn't have to put up these exact kind of numbers...but, I would like to see similar style production, if that makes any sense. If he starts to have the same intangible effects AND starts to have big number games to match. I'm on board. To me, that would be easy to measure because he'd be getting enough minutes to bolster the stat sheet and have "long term" effects on the defensive performance of the team that could be directly attributed to him.
I'd buy that...my one fear would be, however, that Joe finds out early on that Sheed won't be back and re-ups with the kid for big money before anything has a chance to shake out. Which would make him almost immovable if he doesn't live up.
There would be no need to re-up for big money unless another team was willing to do the same. If Amir is showing low tangible stats, then there is a likelihood that we could resign him for cheap if we still like him or still felt like we needed to stick with him past the age of 22.
Why are we even still talking about Amir? He blows and is not NBA starter material. Only in Dumars eyes was he this great savior. We have not even seen a marginal increase in production or improvement in other areas of his game.
Next year I doubt Sheed will be back. Dyess is signed through next year isnt he (I forgot)? Kwame will probably be here, Max is going to be here. This offseason I expect to see JoeD get a PF/C be it trade/free agent whatever. He's going to get someone becuase we can't roll with Max/Amir/Kwame/Dyess at PF/C. We barely got by with them and Sheed this year. If he gets someone Amir will more then likely be in the same spot..4th big off the bench. Then again JoeD could say screw it I'm waiting until 2010 and hoping Bosh or Amare comes here (unlikely) and will roll with Max/Amir/Kwame/Dyess. We'll see what Amir has then, but if we have these guys as our starting frontcourt it's going to be a rough season..
You're absolutely right...there's no "need"...I'm just wondering if Joe D is still as high on the kid as he has been up to this point....That would be the only motivation for him to resign him early...This is the only time it could happen because it's before the next season when the other GMs would have a reasonable look at Amir if in fact Sheed does not return.
Amir, Maxiell, Kwame, and Dyess really wouldn't be much different that what the Bulls have in Thomas, Noah, and Miller. Ideally we'd want a dominant center, (but who wouldn't?)
I agree. But they are average. If we were left with Amir, Max, Kwame, and Dyess next year as our only big men, then it is very likely that we would have the lowest payroll in the entire league. So, average would be pretty impressive. Odds are that Joe will be looking to pick up a high priced big man as soon as he can.
He was quoted saying that he pushed Varowepj b/c he wouldn't let him try to punk him. Seems he's got some of the toughness on his own.
Why not compare Dyess to Amir, since you believe they play the same position. Dyess, 36% win percentage. Amir, 54% win percentage. Dyess, when paired up with anyone besides Sheed, is negative. Amir is positive when paired with anyone, except Dyess. We have a whole season's worth of data that shows the team does poorly with Dyess in, and well with Amir in. Enough for me.
