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  1. dba

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    Got it, I saw that later. So, the Spurs probably get Oberto back.

    Yep, if anything came out of the playoffs this year it's that talented big guys beat talented little guys every day.
     
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    Amir traded for 1+M in additional cap space

    "For the Pistons, the trade gives them added flexibility when dealing with potential free agents. Oberto is in the final year of a contract worth $3.5 million. However, Detroit probably will waive him and then be on the hook for the guaranteed portion of his contract, which is worth $1.8 million -- a savings of more than $1 million." Mlive

    $1.7m just doesn't buy what it used to....
     
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    Is that $1M in cap savings really that useful that it makes sense to give up a 22 year old big man for it?

    It puts us in about the same position as if we hadn't signed Walter Sharpe.

    I think I'm just going to have to not worry about all this for a few weeks until the genius scenario plays out. Then, after we instantly jump to the top of the power rankings, I'll look back on all this and laugh at how foolish I was.
     
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    So they could waive him and still have the guaranteed part count.

    Or buy him out and have nothing count against the cap?
     
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    trade value

    If I read it right he dumped cost of 3.5M for a gain of 1.7 in cap space which makes it a $5.2M swing on the balance sheet.

    You cover your debt and come out 1.7 to the upside. That's a good deal if you want a cool $20m in cap space heading into free agency where few teams have any real money to spend.

    He's optimizing his opportunities to make big things happen this summer, felt Amir wasn't worth the 3.5 if it would keep him from signing a 2nd possible starter or impact player which Amir clearly isn't at this point in his career.

    It strengthens his 2fer strategy. He's got more bait but still has to hook the fish..
     
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    Re: trade value

    We still have to write him checks for his guaranteed $1.8M. So, we only dumped $1.7 in costs and cap space. I don't see the $5.2M swing.
     
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    We are screwed the next time we play Illwaukee. Amir is going to go for 2pts, 3 boards and 5 fouls.
     
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    He'll be +30 or so with those numbers. ...Right?
    With Amir's basketball IQ, I fully expect one of his 3 boards to result in an outlet pass to Rod Stuckey.

    ...and let me be the first to say that I'm a little more than concerned about Amir playing with Ma Bootay!
     
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    Neither do I.

    But it is the difference between 7 million and 8.7 million when offering a free agent a contract.

    That's turning point money.

    That could be the difference between "us" and "them" with a potential free agent.
     
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    Re: trade value

    We are basically at the point where Joe isn't allowed to go over the cap by even $1.7M to land a premier FA. So, we sacrifice a young athletic PF that we have been slowly nurturing for the past 4 years in order to scrape by just under the cap.

    I don't think you can blame the cheap owner for this now. Perhaps Joe's rules are now set in stone without Bill D. and he's operating under a strict mandate to stay under the cap with no decision maker capable of approving an exception? I wonder how that works.
     
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    Yea, cause compared to the great Amir, Charlie is trash.
     
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    Oh come on. Just b/c Charlie V had a 0.2 roland rating and a -1.2 on/off +/- doesn't mean he's trash. He's just average. Give the guy a chance.
     
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    Re: trade value

    I don't think you fully grasp the situation.

    If Joe is under the cap by 19 million, he can offer two free agents 10 million and 9 million, respectively.

    If he is under the cap by only 17 million, he can only offer the second free agent 7 million, which compared to another team could be a deal breaker in contrast to the 9 million he can now offer.

    It isn't about 1.7 million. It's about the big picture, and how it increases Joe's overall spending power in the free agent market as well as the trade market this summer.

    Some of you are overlooking the forest for the trees.
     
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    Not sure where you are going with this.

    Obviously I was being facetious.

    Charlie Villanueva's numbers given his 26 minutes per game average are phenomenal. Period.
     
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    You folks didn't get a "W" in your column with Rodney White or Darko.

    You won't get one with Amir either, face it.

    Joe has made alot of dumb moves, but one thing that has been consistent is that not one of his curb kicks has come back to bite him in the butt.

    Ever.
     
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    I'm hearing that a vengeful Amir is ramping up his offseason training and is now planning to put up 10 shots this summer instead of his usual 6 or 7.
     
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    He said fouls Ernie....


    The correct answer was fouls.....:sssh:

    but you're welcome to play again next time. :)
     
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    Re: trade value

    I grasp it. My point is that it is a big sacrifice to avoid the lux tax.
     
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    That's speculation on both of our parts until Joe just doesn't tender offers though.

    Oh yea, and until Amir proves he's not just another one of Joe's curb kicks. Which history has shown he likely won't.
     
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    How pitiful is it going to be when we start Darko/"Quickhands"/ "Capspacing" Walter Sharpe?

    This kid will have grown to 8 feet tall and have a full court shot that no one has seen but Pat Sullivan, and Lee, during 20 sec timeouts.
     

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