Andre Drummond thread

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  1. Ernie the Slow Adult

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    Drummond does appear to be a goofball.

    It is hard to articulate what aspect of his game is raw. I was expecting a lot worse from him also.
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    Recent LF quotes after being asked about Andre's playing time:

    "Just because you throw a guy out there for 30 minutes, that could be the worst thing you could do because it could reinforce all the bad habits," Frank said. "If he's not doing what he should be doing, how can you look at the guys in your locker room and say you're about the right things? You can't both develop players and try to win."

    "When you play 17 minutes, there's no time to rest," Frank said. "If you're resting, rest when the other team is on the free throw line shooting the first shot. You have to play with unbridled energy, emotion and passion every single time you step on the floor."

    "Unless you're an organization that says, 'All we're doing is playing the young guys, it's not about winning,' then that's one thing," Frank said. "If your goal is to try to win, then your loyalty is to winning.
    "We've never once, he's never once said, 'I need you to play Joey Smith a bit more.' It's all about commitment to the team. You can't commit to some and not to others. It would be a betrayal of trust[​IMG]."


    ["Joey Smith" could be code for Andre Drummond aka the most impactful player on the roster.]

    Drummond routinely talks to Dumars after games for words of wisdom.
    "I just walk up to him, jokingly and (ask), 'What's the word of the day? And he'll tell me and I'll move on that," Drummond said.
    After Saturday's loss in Dallas, the phrase from Dumars was "mental toughness."

    [then Drummond responded "JD, did I ask you for the phrase of the day or the word of the day?"
    "Sorry" said Joe.
    "OK, let's go with the word sorry."]
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    I understand what Frank's doing here, and I I agree with it, but I'm torn. He's right - much of Drummond's game involves him playing on instinct and using his athleticism, but when the game contracts and he can't do that, he doesn't have the bBall IQ and experience to adjust. After a game like last night, he'd better earn more playing time, because he played with energy, didn't make any major mistakes (that I saw), impacted, and the team fed off of him. If he slips, you pull him back.
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    You can tell that Frank is getting addicted to having Dre in the game. They were down 12 last night. He puts Dre in and it's almost tied before the 1st quarter is out. Then they go down 15. he puts Dre in and there is a furious comeback even with the guards missing every single shot they attempt. Frank wasn't trying to send a message to his starters last night, he was trying to win the game.

    Coaches love paint protection, stops, and offensive rebounds.

    Drummond does pace himself out there though and was extremely winded in the game before this one. Plus, he has a laid back demeanor in general. I think that if you're a 5'2" coach that mentored under Bobby Knight, that probably comes across as loafing. But the results are there.
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    Coach Doogie Howser needs to freaking realize that playing 'Dre Drum IS about freaking winning!!!
    ...it's about winning NOW! (he can't really believe that JMax gives the Pistons a better shot at winning games)
    ...and it's about winning in the future! (...championships not meanigless regular season games in a rebuilding year).

    Sometimes I get the feeling that the people who work for this franchise (Langlois, Dumards, Frank ...others) just sort of casually follow the team from afar.
    I'm gonna go punch a hole in the wall of my office now.
    ...be right back.
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    I have one word for you BDL, Mental Discipline.
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    My hand really hurts and security is on their way up to escort me from the building.
    ...I gotta go.
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    I don't want Drummond learning all those bad habits like trying to block someone's shot when they blow by a defender instead of just standing there with his mouth hanging open and jumping for rebounds when he could just shove someone in the back instead.
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    I'm disappointed that Drummond didn't shatter the glass last night. It's unfair to guys like him that they improved the construction. 3-4 20 minute delays in last night's game could have really helped us out.
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    Detroit Pistons' Andre Drummond pressuring teammates with his play, forces coaches to find him playing time | MLive.com
    You're not going to believe this, but Frank held Drummond out against Brooklyn from the end of the fourth quarter on because of - get this - matchups.
    We have got a real gem of a coach here, guys. See, he really gets it. Sure we might possibly win more games with Drummond starting/playing more minutes. But we don't want CV or Max to feel unappreciated.
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    The Andre Drummond Thread
    Cavs fans see what we see too. Serious man-love for the guy. Here are the last three posts in this thread.

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    Im pretty sure everyone here knows my feelings on the subject...thnx for the posts cj
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    I think his point is just the opposite - Frank has a set of expectations that he wants everyone to meet in order to earn playing time. Yeah, he probably should have centered his expectations around being an effective player, but it's too late to go back now - if he just starts randomly playing players together to experiment, it's not going to work because the players aren't going to understand their role, their purpose.

    I want Drummond to start as much as the next guy, but I'm biased toward rookies because they're more exciting and they're the future of the franchise. Frank can't coach that way - he has to stick with his basketball philosophy or else his players will quit on him. If he's telling Drummond that he has to improve to earn playing time, and he feels that that carrot is keeping Drummond working, and if he feels that Drummond will slack off if he realizes that his talent is enough to earn him minutes, well, it would undermine his whole message if he just put Drummond in to "try things out."

    Most of us have advocated since the beginning of the year to have patience with Drummond, and it's maddening to watch Frank effectively bury him behind a career bench guy, but when we step back, we have to consider the big picture. I want Frank pulling everything out of Drummond, and if that means keeping minutes as a carrot, then even if it hurts the team right now, he needs to do it for the betterment of the team in the long run.
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    I understand what youre saying, but what about the rest of the starters? dont you think maybe they are gonna bail on a coach more concerned with bribing a young stud who is clearly outplaying his counterpart? A coach that would rather send them on the floor with a lesser teammate and not actually giving the players the best chance of winning? Im pretty sure Drummond would wanna stay a starter once he got there, otherwise how do we explain all the other starters around the league continueing to play once they are given starting role? I also dont think anyone in the world of sports is thinking Drummond starting instead of max would be " trying" anything out. Im fairly certain that is the logical step to progression for this young team.
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    Why did they hire Frank anyway - oh yea he "blew everyone away in the interview". Drummond is turning out to be the only bright spot of this season.
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    I'm not calling for anybody to be fired - not my style. And I can totally respect that Frank might have a plan that he's sticking to. Maybe he's even going to prove himself right and a lot of us wrong. I've hardly watched the team this year, to be quite honest (I'm too cheap). But this young fella is getting an unprecedented amount of support on this site and elsewhere compared to any Piston rookie for quite some time. I just look at box scores and the great stats that Tashawn and others provide, and I see a guy who guy is being brought along slowly despite his performance and not because of his performane.
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    makes for a head scratcher thats for sure. I cant even begin to fathom the reasons why he wouldnt want to put the beasting fella out there.
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    It's sort of maddening watching without knowing the full philosophy. If it's to keep him hungry and to make him feel like he earns his eventual starting spot, then I could buy off on that. I'm done guessing what LF is thinking and I'm honestly not that concerned anymore. The bottom line to me is that Drummond is getting consistent playing time every game this year and his stints are substantial. He's getting in the flow of the game each time on both ends of the court.

    Ignoring the whole inter organizational situation though, we have to keep in mind the big picture here- we basically just got the #1-2 pick in the draft last year. Absolute steal. That's why you gamble on big men in the draft.

    He's obviously adding a whole new dimension to the team defensively. He appears to be one of the most dominating shot blocking talents in the league right now. He's big enough to hold his ground against true centers and he perpetually scans the court looking for ways to provide backup support.

    On offense, he's setting screen after screen, and he's got Megatron's hands to catch and convert almost every time a teammate drives and draws his man.


    I've seen enough. Whenever LF completes his life lesson, then it's time to see if Monroe/Drummond together works or not. If it does, then we spend the next 2 years building around that dynamic. If it doesn't, then we trade Monroe while his value is sky high.

    I'm telling ya, having our 2 best players be a C and a PF/C is about as good as it gets in a rebuild. Great drafting, both in terms of picking the positions and the actual character guys that JD went after. I'm more excited than frustrated the more that I see this play out.
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    We ought to invite those Cleveland fans to join our PF.............
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