at Philadelphia 76ers Wednesday December 9 7:00 pm

Discussion in 'December 2009' started by roscoe36, Nov 3, 2009.

  1. Lee356

    Lee356 All-Star

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    4 of 5. 3 straight wins. And a road victory, regardless of who we played. (We extended Philly's losing streak to 11 tonight.)

    Atkins started his fifth game for us. But also, Ben Wallace and Jason Maxiell have been starting as well, giving us very good defense inside to start games.

    Stuckey is doing exactly as he always does when rested properly. Very well, with 27 points tonight and 8 assists if I recall right.

    Bynum did not make it thru the whole game, turning his other ankle early in the 2nd half. Did not hear anything on how bad he turned this one. When he did play, he was horrible.

    On multiple occasions, we actually only used one guard - with JJ playing shooting guard, JMAX at small forward, CV and Ben Wallace. Really. About time. But it sure took a lot of injuries to get this coach to try something that works.

    Another good sign of a coach who is on the right track. He let Summers get some burn. Sure, he let him cool off way too long after a nice string a games ending over 10 days ago, but at least he let him play tonight.

    Despite all the injuries, we still actually are not short on players at all. Atkins and Stuckey are both healthy, while Daye is perfectly capable to play shooting guard. (With Stuckey moving to shooting gaurd as needed.) Not to mention they can play JJ out of position like they did tonight.

    JJ was the scoring hero of the 2nd half after going scoreless in the first half. He got 17, on a variety of shots. Cutting to the basket, hitting a three, shortening a shot up and nailing it, putbacks.

    Atkins did not do so bad, hitting some shots, and doing well enough on Iverson. (Of course, Iverson was rusty as can be.)

    Daye did about nothing on offense. Looks good otherwise.

    JMAX hit some shots. Pretty typical when he gets into a good playing pattern. Ben just played great D and hauled in the rebounds. Oh, JJ got another double double too.

    CV did not do bad, just a little scoring here and there. We have plenty of outside shooters out there to keep the middle freed up for Stuckey, who loves to drive to the basket.

    Kwame made 7 free throws tonight. Made lots of mistakes here and there. Lets see if the free throws are a blip or a start of actual improvement. Coach made the statement after the game that we have to have Kwame playing well. Nope. We got Wilcox who could be playing those minutes.

    In all, things are going well. We are winning, and we are developing youth. Our vets are not getting overplayed, with most of them not even playing at all due to injuries.

    I do question though whether any of them will ever come back healthy though. What with Gordon coming back far before being ready to play. Bynum continually playing way too banged up. Some admire that. I don't. We never needed Bynum or Gordon to play injured. As I mentioned, we still have enough guards without them. Just go big.

    All I can think of at the moment
  2. hitafreethrow

    hitafreethrow Starter 1x Fantasy Champion Forum Donor

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    I in no way believe that Wilcox and Kwame can "swap" minutes. They are two completely different bodies and playing styles. Wilcox is not a 5. And Q knows that. In order to get by Orlando, Cleveland, Boston, even Atlanta, we will need a 5 that can control the paint (even if it is only for 10 minutes). That is not Wilcox.
  3. KGREG

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    That is a painful reality. Imagine how good we could be with a REAL starting PG, let's say ummmmm........BARON DAVIS, I'm so serious.


    The numbers don't lie. When you take away the responsibilty of running the offense Stuckey has delivered the goods. He can play, he can be a true to life baller, but you have to keep him off the point and play him at the 2-Guard, he overthinks the game at the point.
    Since moving him exclusively to the 2-Guard over the last 5 games, Rodney is avg 22ppg/6.2 asts/ 5.2rebs and he's shooting 46% from the floor, and we've won 4 out of 5.....what more evidence do we need to see?
  4. Lee356

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    Nothing wrong with Kwame coming in as a defensive specialist. But Wilcox can score in the post, something we could really use.
  5. roscoe36

    roscoe36 All-Star Administrator

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    Right now, I think we hurt for a jump shooter who can consistently score from 18+ feet. We have plenty of paint slashing and offensive rebounding. More so than the last half a decade.

    But the lack of a consistent outside shooting threat except for CV really hurts Stuckey's ability to get inside. Teams are showing Chucky way more respect than he has earned. The difference when Bynum is in, and teams lay off really takes Stuckey out of things.

    Joe has to trade one of Ben, Rip or Stuckey. I don't think anyone will dispute that Stuck plays best off the ball.
  6. hitafreethrow

    hitafreethrow Starter 1x Fantasy Champion Forum Donor

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    You are 100% correct, I agree with you there. Has anyone watched game film of Wilcox in Seattle from the 06-07 season? I'd like to hear more about those days...I know Ray Allen was there, Rashard Lewis, then a drastic drop off in talent...Maybe it was just the fact that there was no one else around to put the ball in the basket. Shot a solid percentage. Looks like he rebounded the ball alright. I dont remember watching the Supersonics at all that season, so I dont recall.
  7. hifiPistons

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    lol, just watched the highlight, Stuck break AI ankle
  8. aurora

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    No apologies necessary Dre! I was rooting for the Pistons to win all the way on this one. Mainly my hopes for AI are that he put in a respectable performance each game and not "embarrass" himself as he put it in his press conference. I didn't see the game tonight because I didn't have access to League Pass and I just now told my sister "Well, I'm going to go upstairs to the computer and see whether we got a Pistons Win and whether AI scored more than 11 points." Am I in synch with this guy or what? :pound:I didn't want to see AI beat us either, but I'd sure like to see him play better from here on out. And I still take exception to the levels of animosity toward him on this forum sometimes. Surely everyone must be over the idea that the problem with our team last year was Allen Iverson.
  9. 2Tough4You

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    Haha, that was awesome. Iverson got totally schooled on that play.

    Hopefully someone uploads that soon.
  10. KGREG

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    We have that, when everyone is healthy, except at the PG and C position; Chucky and BEN are brick layers from 18feet.
    If Bynum is in the game with Stuckey, but they're surronded by CV, Tay and whoever, the shooting is there. The shooting is there now that JJ is playing with more confidence and agression, it's there when AD is on the court, we have the pieces, they just need to be put together and develop a winning mentality.

    Stay young, and cheap, I'd tarde Rip for an expiring or a 1st rd draft pick. Heck Washington gave up their #5 pick (at least I think it was the fifth pick) for Miller and Foye

    Wicox was/is exceptional at catching and finishing- above the rim, he's subpar at creating his own shot, ideally he should be flourshing on this team with 2 really good driving guards. Problem is that he doesn't bring a consistent effort (mentally or physically) everynight.
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    AI hit a pretty clutch shot at the end. Stuck got lucky that after he got packed, the ball found its way back into his hands.
  12. mercury

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    A feel good win that doesn't help the next step.

    I'm feelin long term mediocrity.
  13. mercury

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    Gotcha back on this... although I'm not ready to pull the cord on the PG thing... not so soon.
    The main thing is that RS is getting it done and we should appreciate the player... no trades involving our future star.
  14. roscoe36

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    EXPLAIN NOW!!

    please
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    folks, trade talk is way too early. Let's see this team at full healt first, right?


    all this rip for expanding contract or whatever is no better than Kaman to detroit wet dream made up by journalist.
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    Wow. Yeah, it was Philly, but for this team, any win is much needed. And this was a fun one to watch.

    - So, Chucky. Decent shooting, but played like a pass-first point guard and this team really needs that. Allowed Stuckey to play the two and he responded with maybe his best game of the year, including 8 assists.

    - JJ 7-8 in the second half. Either the coaches encouraged him to keep shooting or he took it on himself, either or both is great. This guy could make Prince expendable, maybe Rip too given his very nice stint as a two guard.

    - Big lineups are fun.

    - So is Kuester.


    To keep winning though...


    Yep.
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    So which do you like better??
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    PISTONS: Phantastic Phinish


    But Chucky Atkins deserves the extra gold star, giving the Pistons eight points, four assists and two steals – against zero turnovers – while playing 29 minutes, or about 29 more than the Pistons imagined he would have to play when he was a last-day roster survivor coming out of the preseason.

    The Pistons decided to keep Atkins over the last few days of training camp when Bynum was unable to practice one day and Stuckey couldn’t go the next and Joe Dumars and John Kuester put their heads together and decided maybe they’d better keep a No. 3 point guard, after all. Atkins, who’d barely played in the last two seasons while fighting knee and groin injuries, played little in the preseason and didn’t show much.
  19. mercury

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    So demanding. lol

    We don't have the cap room to land above MLE talent (mediocrity)... and they look like a team with just enough talent to stay away from a high lotto pick (medium draft talent).
    With gate receipts down 43% there won't be any large contracts coming in any time soon.
    Do we have any bright stars to trade up?

    Minus any drastic changes in management philosophy our steaks will be served medium ... with a dash of A1 to hide the bland taste.

    This doesn't demean the nice progress from our rookie talent (better than mediocre)... do we see Kobe, Bron, Amare etc in any of them?... that's what it will take.... where is the next high level impact players coming from?

    I think Stuckey has the best chance to become an allstar... but he's not better than Chris Paul, Deron Williams etc (also on mediocre teams).

    Nothing wrong with feeling good about the youth progress... but the eye should be on the trophy.
  20. SJAndre

    SJAndre Second Round Draft Pick

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    How many teams get a kobe, Bron, Amare? Not to mention we won the Title in 2004 with no one of there caliber and we almost got the title in 2005. You dont need a superstar to win a championship as we showed earlier in the decade. Not calling you out...but are you suggesting we just give up the season? Just start sucking on purpose just so we can get a higher draft pick so we may get a superstar which is still a slim chance.

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