Ben Wallace/Chicago Bulls '06/'07

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  1. roscoe36

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    Re: A Disgruntled Ben Wallace/What a Shame

    They are also demanding that Ben tape up. Something he apparently did not do in Detroit.
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    Re: Ben getting ripped in Chicago

    Anybody read ASBs blog on today's Mlive? Lots of inside stuff, especially about Chauncey and Ben talking every day. In a nutshell, ASB says that the family atmosphere that surrounded Ben in the D insulated us, the fans from a lot of Ben's selfish antics. I guess he was disruptive more than we knew, but he made up for it with his great play. Now he's just disruptive.

    The one thing we know, though. When Ben is po'd, the next opponent better watch out. I'm still pulling for the brotha, hope he gets his stats, but the Bulls lose every single game.:gun1:
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    Re: A Disgruntled Ben Wallace/What a Shame

    To they demand that from every player on their squad?
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    Re: A Disgruntled Ben Wallace/What a Shame

    Apparently.
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    Re: Ben getting ripped in Chicago

    I don't agree with bballjay much but on this subject I do. The word was out about Skiles 2 years ago. Tim Thomas did not like Skiles and his ways and was deactivated then waved. There were numerous articles written about Skiles brash in your face coaching style. So what is Ben crying about? I think the whole headband ban is stupid but there are better ways to go about it. Go to the GM, your agent and like I said before file a grievence with the players association if it is that important to you.
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    Re: A Disgruntled Ben Wallace/What a Shame

    This is nothing more than a highstake game of chicken. Skiles will cave if the GM gets pressure from the owner. You have to make your franchise player happy. It is how it works in today's sports sadly.
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    Re: Ben getting ripped in Chicago

    All I can say is consider the source... Sam "the Sham" Smith.
    He once saw Big Foot and Elvis on a UFO if ya know what I mean.
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    Re: A Disgruntled Ben Wallace/What a Shame

    Just heard on WDFN that Mat Dairy is supposed to release some old news about Ben when he was with the Pistons sometime between 8-9 . Not sure what its going to be about or even if they meant am or pm.

    About all this suff - Ben said he wanted a change. There you go, a lot of changes in how Skiles runs his team.

    A lot of times you are better just letting a guy go rather than getting stuck with a contract that you do not want. Orlando traded Mac for Francis and spent a year trying to get rid of him. At least Dumars got enough some cap space to land his 2nd choice in Mohammed. The guy from Portland ( whats his name ) was the 1st choice.

    I don't believe the Bulls were trying to trump the Pistons. It was a nice benefit but I don't think thats what it was about. As far as I know the last impact FA they landed was Horas Grant back in 1992? They massivly overpayed for Ron Mercer back in 00 who turned out to be a bust. For some reason they have not been able to attract any high name FA's so I am sure they were thrilled when Ben said yes.
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    Re: A Disgruntled Ben Wallace/What a Shame

    Joe's first choice was Ben. They had offered the MLE to Flip Murray.

    Luckily, Murray turned it down thinking there was more money out there.

    So then he pitches to Pryzbilla, then Mohammed, and still landed Murray with the Bi-Annual Exception.

    I don't think Joe thought he was going to lose Ben and I definitely don't buy the stories that the Pistons found his contract demands beyond reason.

    Matt Dery is an insider, but he's a Pistons insider. Whatever he releases will be on the "approved list". Keep that in mind.
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    Re: A Disgruntled Ben Wallace/What a Shame

    Btw, I am getting a little tired of the Ben "piling on" by the Detroit media.

    You don't see other markets do this to players after they are gone.
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    Re: Ben getting ripped in Chicago

    Isn't it nice though to read about some distacting issue thats not about our team.
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    Re: A Disgruntled Ben Wallace/What a Shame

    I agree. Yes they did. I am not defending some of the mudd that was slung after Ben left. On the other hand I am not exactly about to erect a shrine after someone who blew off and bolted from my Pistons either.

    I also meant the 1st choice after Ben had left. Why get stuck with some small forward or something when you don't need it just to say you were able to do a sign and trade.
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    Re: Ben getting ripped in Chicago

    I don't think even you could have written something that defamatory about the malcontent.

    That article is just another example of beat writers running amok stirring up whatever turd falls out of their crack.
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    Re: A Disgruntled Ben Wallace/What a Shame

    Arn Tellum is one of, if not the most powerful agent in the NBA. That's Ben's agent. he works for the Wasserman Media Group, a company which also represents former Bull Tim Thomas and Detroit Pistons Amir Johnson and Ronald Murray.

    Other clients of the group include

    T-Mac
    Jamaal Magloire
    Joe Johnson
    Jermaine O'Neal
    Antawn Jamison
    Mike Miller
    Pau Gasol

    and a pretty impressive group of youngins' including

    Brandon Roy
    Martell Webster
    Sean May
    Jordan Farmar
    Ike Diogu
    JJ Redick
    TJ Ford

    amongst many others.

    IMO, if the agent gets involved, Skiles will lose.

    Some food4thot. ;)
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    Re: A Disgruntled Ben Wallace/What a Shame

    I merged two threads because we were starting to run concurrent discussions in two forums.

    This is the latest from Chris McCoskey's blog-that-is-not-a-blog.

    And yes, I quoted the whole thing because there is no way to link to the specific post (and he basically copied and pasted a lot from a Chicago paper).

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    Re: A Disgruntled Ben Wallace/What a Shame

    Thats some usefull information.

    60mil and a pwerfull agent who controls so many players vs Skiles? GM would really be sticking his neck out if he did back him.

    As long as they keep losing. I just can't get down with wishing well for the Bulls. If it were any other team I might be more sympathetic, to be completly honest I am actually enjoying the show.
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    Re: A Disgruntled Ben Wallace/What a Shame

    wow. lots of talking for a non-issue.

    notice pax say's he doesn't think this will fracture the team.

    Any chance this is set-up between Skiles and Ben to get a fire going?
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    Re: A Disgruntled Ben Wallace/What a Shame

    now that is crazy- sure, they want their players to remain healthy (especially if they have fat contracts like Ben) but this is simply stupid.
    Ben's ankles have been ok for his entire career and now he's treated like a little child that doesn't know how to take care of himself?
    Everyone who ever played basketball with and without tapes know their negative impact on your game. You lose some of your leap and furthermore you lose much of your quickness- that's why most of the players start taping AFTER they had issues with their ankles, but not to prohibit them.
    I don't think that this is a common team rule in the NBA, could it be?
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    Re: A Disgruntled Ben Wallace/What a Shame

    Somewhat on the subject of the headband ban..

    Personally, I may not be a very athletic dude, but I sweat more off my head than Chauncey after the pre-game shootaround. If I couldn't wear a headband, I'd be blind most of the game.

    Anybody feel me on this?
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    Re: A Disgruntled Ben Wallace/What a Shame

    Hell yeah. Sweating doesn't have that much to do with how good you're in shape- it's more of genetical issue. I have guys on my squad who don't sweat in the sauna or run huge distances while sweating only a little bit.
    And then, there are guys like me, who start sweating while they're still sitting on the bench :pound:
    Without a headband, I'm worthless- I would need eyebrows like a coat to avoid the sweat pearls falling into my eyes.
    With Ben, I think he doesn't need the headband because of that- I'd say it's more of an image thing

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