Ben Wallace Defensive Player of the Year

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  1. himat

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    Team 1:
    -Bell
    -Hamilton
    -Bowen
    -Wallace
    -Camby

    Team 2:
    -Billups
    -Jones
    -Tayshaun
    -Kirilenko
    -Sheed
  2. TaS

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    So, does Ben get the calls tonight after being officially named DPOY? It's gotta be good for a couple hacks.
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    Man I don't know about y'all but in 100 tries.....hell yeah I'm gonna score ONCE!!!! Ben likes to block shots, meaning if he blocks my first 75 shots he's primed for a good pump fake on #76. It wouldn't be pretty, but I'll get one hoop. And me a duufuss, sitting there celebrating a fg% of 1%.
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    I guess if you have at least 100 tries. Maybe I could score when Ben went to get a drink of water, or took a phone call.
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    I have some experience with this having recently purchased the inflatable defender Ben Wallace for my son. The inflatable defender ([SIZE=-1]inflatabledefender.com[/SIZE]) looks like Ben Wallace except he can't move. He has handles on the back so you can have someone grab him and smack him into the offensive player while he is shooting. I would say the experience is very close to having the real Ben Wallace guard you.

    I can score well over 50 per cent of the time on Ben, not counting the times the plug came loose and all the water drained from the base.
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    One of the grossly under-looked assets that Ben provides is how few fouls he comits... he's the last line of defense and he has to leave his man... most players would be late and cause a foul... his timing is impeccable.. knowing when to leave his feet and when to improve his position.... they should have a stat of offensive fouls... Ben positioning is exceeded by none.
    Now lets talk about a guy that can defend PG's on the perimiter... who's better on the P&R?

    Let's NEVER EVER take for granted Ben's footwork... it don't exist with any other 5 man.
    Then there's the steals... deflections... tips to team mates...loose balls etc.

    His defense creates offense...it's typically not recognized as an ofensive skill.
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    Good point! I love the way Ben can jump out on the perimiter, defend a guard, and get back to his man (or his spot) in time to further affect the play. There is no other "5" who can do that. I'd like to see Ben get "one for the thumb" next year. In a Pistons uni of course!
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    Actually, they have been keeping track of that stat this year.

    http://www.82games.com/charge.htm

    Ben took the 6th most charges in the NBA. The Pistons as a team were near the bottom in this category though. On the other hand, the Pistons commited the 2nd fewest offensive fouls (probably correlating to our low points in the paint stat).

    The 2 standouts are that Phoenix blew away the field by taking 114 more charges than they committed. And the Knicks, who charged 118 more times than they took.
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    TaS, considering the Nash's running style where did they rank on charges?
    3rd, they defend the slash as well as they slash.
    NYK, strickly play with cash.
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    All Defensive teams came out today and Jason Kidd made 2nd team.

    Am I missing something here? I don`t follow NJ that closely, but somebody help me out here. Is JK worthy of this?
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    I'd say so. Kidd is the best rebounding PG in the league, and was 8th in steals per game, 5th in total steals.

    A lot of folks don't give Kidd his due. He's a really inconsistent shooter, but he's been very consistent with steals, rebs and assists his entire career. He's 13th all time in SPG and Total Steals.

    Don't even get me started on how he is a Top 75 All-Time guy for rebounds.

    If the Spurs had got Kidd 2 years ago when they were deciding on him or Parker, they would have been unstoppable.
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    Ok, I know Kidd is one of the best PG rebounders in the NBA, we are talking defense here.

    Everyone else on that first team is capable of locking folk down, I just didn`t see Kidd in the same category as the others.

    Not hating on Kidd, but 1st team. hmmmm.....
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    Kidd has been first or second team defense since 1999.

    Apparently, he's a very good defender. You have to remember that they don't select the 5 best defensive players per se. They fill a starting 5 set of positions. He is the best defensive PG IMO. Can you name one better?

    Earl Watson is overrated and Eric Snow couldn't get wet in a monsoon. There is something to be said for defending and still contributing offensively.
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    I guess if you have to nominate a PG he would be best suited, I just don`t see Kidd, as talented as he is, as this defensive specialist.
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    Complete All-Defensive teams listed below. No wonder these dudes are first-team all-defense...with six guys out there, they could stop any team that's ever played! ;)

    First team:
    Bowen
    Ben
    AK47
    Artest
    Kobe
    Kidd

    Second team:
    Duncan
    Chauncey
    Garnett
    Camby
    Tayshaun
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    Here is why Ben Wallace was the correct choice as DPOY...

    Playoffs +/- stats for the first 2 rounds:

    Ben Wallace= +88 (leading the field)
    Bruce Bowen= -39 (last in the field)


    And we all know Ben didn't get those number with his O-fence.

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