Best Pistons of the last 25 years

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  1. blueadams

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    25th anniversary of the Pistons' first championship of the modern era. Let's take advantage of an opportunity to talk about something other than this current team. Who are your top Pistons of the last 25 years.

    Me:

    Starting Lineup:

    C: Rasheed Wallace.

    .....He was never a center in the league, but at 6-11, 230lbs, he certainly could have been. The best low-post scorer we've ever had. The best low-post defender we've ever had (it was him, not Ben, who guarded Duncan in the '05 series---Ben's greatness was as a help-defender). He probably had about as nice an outside-to-mid-range game as Laimbeer. IMO, he was the real leader of the '04 squad. He was, arguably, the highest-IQ player we've ever had. And in spite of popular misconceptions, he was very coachable, and a great team-player---as Larry Brown once said, "Sheed's only weakness is that he cares too much."

    PF: Dennis Rodman.

    .....Hard to pick him over Ben, but I did. He was a superior rebounder to Ben, no argument there (and we might be talking about two of the greatest three rebounders in the history of basketball here). And while Ben was probably the superior defender overall (especially against bigger power forwards), Rodman was probably the more versatile. And when he was a Piston, before things started to fall apart, he was all team.

    SF: Grant Hill.

    .....People forget about just how great Grant Hill was. In his prime, he was probably the second-best perimeter player in the game next to Michael Jordan. Pretty easily, IMO, the most talented individual player we've had next to Isiah Thomas. Just a victim of poor circumstances. Great defensively. Great offensively. All the intangibles. Not a hard pick.

    SG: Richard Hamilton.

    .....This'll be a pick that a lot of posters disagree with. But man. Those two series in '04, the Pacers series and the Lakers series. For the most important half-month of his career, Richard Hamilton WAS the best player in the NBA. Anyone who disagrees either wasn't paying enough attention, or has a bad memory. Went head-to-head against Reggie Miller and Kobe Bryant back-to-back in their primes and totally outplayed both, in every facet of the game. Joe-D obviously was one of the greatest defensive guards of all-time, and a hell of a player offensively as well.. but he was never for any stretch of time the single greatest player in the league. Rip was.

    PG: Isiah Thomas.

    .....No explanation needed.

    Bench:

    C: B. Laimbeer

    .....There miiight be some arguments against his inclusion here. But I'd be on the other side of them. And his leadership is a big part of what makes him a no-brainer for me.

    PF: B. Wallace

    .....There'll be zero argument against him at least being on the bench.

    SF: J. Stackhouse

    .....Never played small forward in the league, but at 6-6, 218, he obviously could have. It shouldn't be forgotten how great he was either. I do believe he won a scoring title before being traded. Did Tay or Mark Aguirre ever even finish in the top 30 or 40 in scoring?

    SG: J. Dumars

    .....There'll be zero argument against him at least being on the bench.

    PG: C. Billups

    .....There'll be zero argument against him at least being on the bench.

    11th: A. Drummond

    .....I'd go with him as my extra big man. It's real, real tough leaving an original bad boy off the roster in Mahorn. But Drummond's just that much more talented, isn't he? With three fours (Sheed, Ben, Rodman) and a poor athlete (Laimbeer) as your only bigs on the roster, an athletic true center like Dre would add some real value.

    12th: T. Prince

    .....This was a tough call for me, too. Usually you'd look for an extra guard here--and the guy there would've been Vinnie Johnson. But in Stack and Grant you've already got a couple threes on the roster with two-guard (or point-forward) abilities; and in Dumars you've already essentially got a third point too. I decided to go with Tay here. It's hard, now, to remember how he was on a winning team--when he cared. He was a much different dude than we remember. Very valuable as a 12th man in that he's such an incredibly versatile defender (versatile offensively as well), and that he could fit in seamlessly and beneficially with almost any lineup combination.

    *Mark, Corliss, Vinnie and Rick are my "honorable mention" guys.

    HC: C. Daly

    .....Might get a Larry Brown enthusiast or two, but it's not a question to me.
     
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    C: Bob Lanier
    PF: Tony Mitchell
    SF: Kris Middleton
    SG: Aaron Afflalo
    PG: Peyton Silva

    CHAAAAAMPIONSHIIIIP
     
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    blue, you are the best! Only you could do a thoughtful write-up for the 25 year Pistons team yet have your first sentence explaining why you are picking a guy who never played the position before in the NBA starting for your team.

    For what it's worth I think Sheed played all but his first few years in the L at 250 lbs.

    If we're only going 25 years back then I'm starting:
    C - Ben Wallace
    PF - Sheed
    SF - Hill
    SG - Stackhouse (This is tough. I could and maybe should go Dumars, but I think it will be poetic justice to have him come off the bench in the VJ role.)
    PG - Isiah Thomas (Captain)

    That 5 is loaded!

    Bench:
    C/PF - Laimbeer (Go "small" with him in for Ben W.)
    PF - Rodman (Deserves to start, better fit here.)
    G - Dumars (Might GM himself off this team if he sticks around any longer!)
    SF - Mark Aguirre (Over Tay)
    G - Rip (Over Singler)
    G - Billups (Over VJ)
    C - Bison Dele (Someone needs to guard Shaq and hang out with Rodman. RIP, my man. Bison Dele - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)
     
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    C - Bill Laimbeer
    PF - Dennis Rodman
    SF - Adrian Dantley
    SG - Jerry Stackhouse
    PG - Chauncey Billups

    2nd unit

    C - Ben Wallace
    PF - Sheed
    SF - Grant Hill
    SG - Rip Hamilton
    PG - Isiah Thomas

    Yea...I know...some of you would prefer my second unit start...
     
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    Nemo, I want some of what you're smoking.

    Stack/Rip over Dumars?

    Billups > Thomas?

    @Ernie the Slow Adult - Aguirre over Tay is a bold move, but I approve.
     
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    If Dantley's allowed he gets my last spot over Tay.
     
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    Dele over Drummond come on
     
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    I've got Bill Laimbeer starting in front of Drummond
    Rasheed over Ben Wallace
    Grant Hill over Rodman
    Joe Dumars over Hamilton
    Isiah Thomas at PG
    Billups is the send best PG but as a 3rd guard I might have to take Vinnie Johnson instead.

    It seems funny but for much of the last 25 years we have bemoaned the lack of a true center and everyone considers the Pistons a guard oriented team for most of that time, but looked at like this center is the deepest position and point guard is the weakest.
     
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    Isiah Thomas is one of the best point guards of all time.
     
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    I agree about Isiah, (he is the reason I am a Pistons fan) I meant in terms of depth. We have had 3 centers that are all time greats (I am pretty confidant Andre will be there) and after Isiah there is no one at that level. Billups is very good but not a great passer or a great defender, just good.
    Even at shooting guard, after Dumars, Rip was kind of one demensional and so was Stackhouse.
     
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    No discussion like this is complete without talking about Rodney White.
     
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    Where's the love for a healthy Alan Houston?
     
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    Good catch! Looks like Rip is off the squad.
     
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    I was going to say,. and where is Pepe Sanchez,
     
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    I like SLAM Magazine's all-time rankings.

    Forgot about Allan Houston! Don't think I'd take him over Rip, Joe-D, Stack, Grant, etc. though.
     

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