Big Ben's Back Becoming A Problem?

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Back problems? Not looking good for big ben.

That ain't nothing but payback. His back is acting up cause it's trying to tell him he belongs in Detroit and not stinking Cleveland and previously Chicago. If that's been slowing him down to the point where he's not Big Ben then it's definitely time to either see a great doc for it or consider retiring. He doesn't want to ruin his career. A back injury in sports is nothing to kid around with.

He stabbed the Pistons in the back when he decided to bolt.

Back problems suck. It can really be the kind of thing that you can't play through with confidence. Could be the straw that breaks...

He helped giving the Pistons a title in 2004. Leaving the Pistons was a Win-Win situation. I am sure Wallace and JD discussed this and they were both happy with his move. No Stabbing was there.

For the money he wanted, I think JD was happy to say bye.

Still, It's sad to see him fall so far. Gotta wonder if all of this woulda happened here.

Joe Dumars offered him 4 year/40-50 million dollar deal..Sure it could have kept us in contention for a title, but for how he is now...it would have been a bad signing.

Yeah, I know. I'm just a bit bitter still about him leaving. Really, I blame Flip more than anyone.

Big Ben leaving really did turn out to be a win-win afterall.

Because you think with another coach Ben would've took less money?

Or do you think with another coach Joe would have paid more?

I don't think Joe could have paid Ben enough to stay another season with Flip. IOW...I think Ben would have stayed for less if Flip wasn't here.

Well it's looking like Flip did us a favor.

Definitely true dude!!!

Jesus, are we still talking about Ben leaving? Unfathomable. I mean I feel strongly about this, but I simply can't muster up any more words or thoughts about it.
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Because Ben had already verbally committed to the team well in advance of his free agency, but his feelings changed after playing for Flip. I think the boiling point was when he was taken out of the game during crunch time and then refused to go back in.

I think Ben would have signed for much less had Flip not been around, but you couldn't have paid him enough $$ to re-sign under Flip.

I'd have played for Flip Saunders for only a 30 million dollar deal.

I agree with this assessment.

But I also wonder if Ben's game would have deteriorated as much had he stayed here under a different coach

Yup. pretty much dead on.

And with Arnie Kander's "magic".

with flip coaching... he would have over used him and burned him out faster then said he was washed up and not played at all....

with a good coach i think he would have had his mins reduced to 25 or so and could have made a solid inpact on games, but he was going down hill fast his last couple years here and really needed to have his mins cut to keep him fresh... could we have gotten a coach that could have gotten that message to ben that he just couldn't play 40 mins a game anymore and it was in the teams and his best interest to start and set the tone then play spot mins thru the game and be fresh to close out games?