bill simmons accuses dumars of lsd use

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    Good thing about sports predictions is that the games will be played and we can all see who the true prophets were.

    When you boil it down we basically traded CB, Dyess and Samb for Gordan, CV and Wilcox. Sheed's contract would not been enough since we were way over the soft cap as it was.

    We got a lot younger. Whether it will pan out or not we will just have to see.
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    The most problematic thing is that many in this forum always complained that the team consists of shooters only. What JoeD did was that he got 2 new players who are exactly that - jump shooters. Plus, the team right now has absolutely no interior D. NONE. That's why that Simmons guy is right and I hate to admit it. It's the right mix that gets you on top. Shooters, slashers, hard workers. Pistons have one guy that likes to penetrate (Stuckey), tons of jump shooters and no hard workers (maybe Wilcox) and absolutely no shot blocker. JMax will be the only one on the team that will average more than 1 block per game. I loved the games when the Pistons, as a team, had 10 blocks. Now I'll have to be happy when one of the players blocks a shot once in a while. At least we have 2 equally good SG's
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    Stop right there. I totally agree. :MusicBigGrin: :stirthepot:
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    Simmons is a tool, but in this case he is right. We have a 30 win team right now. Joe D continues to live off his past reputation and Chad Ford's glowing press.
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    <slaps Robert on the back> welcome
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    One of those things in these transition periods where you are dammed if you do and dammed if you don't. If Dumars had done nothing then this guy would probably be knocking him for hanging onto declining players when young and up comers like CV and Gordan were available.
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    You lose alot of your credibility if you criticize a GM for not adding a player that plays a position your roster is already having a stockpile at.
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    Not if you're Harry Wong.
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    ^^^ makes no sense
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    If you're HarryFWing, nothing can make you lose credibility.
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    I was actually thinking Adam Morrison, but that works too.

    Yes, it's very easy to criticize this team. For all the problems that this team had while "elite", the problems are very much still there.

    Points in the Paint, Rebounding, Defense, Etc.
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    Maybe Dumars agreed with this passage from a different Simmons article:

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    yeah, so a team that already has Chris Paul should try to acquire Deron Williams, right?
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    Rip Hamilton cannot win you two playoff games in a series by himself. He might be able to win you one, every other series.

    Rip has been a guy who can hit big shots under pressure. But he's not a guy who takes over games.
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    In one article he says Ben Gordon can win you HALF of a playoff series all by himself (two games PER series), but in another he says Ben Gordon will never make an All-Star game.

    The first statement IMO is a huge compliment. How many guys in the league would you be willing to say that about? Personally I don't think everybody who makes an All-Star game is capable of that, so in my mind the two statements are contradictory.

    I'm not saying I agree with either statement; in fact, I think Gordon is somewhere in-between. I think he could definitely make an All-Star game if he improved his all-around contributions, but I really doubt he's so good that he wins you 2 games per series all by himself.

    I enjoy Bill Simmons, I read his articles and listen to his podcast, but as far as the Pistons go we have differing opinions. If Simmons were a PF member he would be starting threads titled "Dumars has done nothing".
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    In fact, teams have proven over the past couple years that it is possible to completely neutralize his offensive game.

    On the other hand, Gordon displayed the ability to be unguardable during the Bulls-Celtics series.
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    Without doing a play by play analysis of my opinion of his defense, +/- might be the best way to evaluate Ben's overall impact in the series. He was clearly on fire in some of those games.
    Game #: Points, +/-
    Game 1: 20, -1
    Game 2: 42, -1
    Game 3: 15, -29
    Game 4: 22, +20
    Game 5: 26, -4
    Game 6: 12, +4
    Game 7: 33, -6

    For the entire series, he averaged 24 points per game and was -17 (-2.4 points per game).

    With Ben on the court this year, the Bulls scored about 110 and gave up about 110 per 100 possessions. With him off the court, they scored about 106 and gave up about 106.

    It's not too hard to make the argument that what you get from him offensively, he gives back on the other end of the court.
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    Ceteris Paribus.

    But all things are not equal. I suspect the splits will tell us more.

    And it may be that he gives back more or less, I don't know.
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    Here are Rip's numbers for the Pistons-Cavs series:

    Game #: Points, +/-
    Game 1: 15, -19
    Game 2: 17, -30
    Game 3: 15, -6
    Game 4: 6, -19

    For the entire series, he averaged 13.3 points and was -74 (-18.5 points per game). Using +/- as an indicator of an individual's impact on a series in this case should cause one to conclude that Ben was superior to Rip. Or even that AI was superior to Rip, flashing back to that ABC graphic showing AI's production in the playoffs (he was +/- 0) :MusicBigGrin:

    With Rip on the court this year, the Pistons scored about 108 and gave up about 109 per 100 possessions. With him off the court, they scored about 108 and gave up about 109.

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