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  1. Laimbrane

    Laimbrane All-Star Forum Donor

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    Interestingly enough, the Pistons made the same number of baskets as the Bobcats - both teams had 39. The Pistons, however, got their buckets on 23 more field goal attempts. How did this happen? Two ways: 1) Drummond's 11 offensive rebounds turned missed shots into second possessions, and 2) Charlotte had 14 more free throw attempts (fouled shot attempts aren't FGAs and become FTs)

    Both Monroe and Drummond were great, going a combined 16/31 with 34 points and 32 rebounds. Those 34 points on 31 shots basically neutralized Al Jefferson's 32 points on 28 shots (actually, as good a game as Jefferson looks like he had, that wasn't a crazy ratio).

    So how about the rest of the team? Well, Jennings and Walker basically countered each other with 22 and 24 points, respectively. Singler had as many buckets as Gilchrist and Henderson combined (5/9 Singler, 5/10 combined for the other two), although those two guys made 9 FTs to Singler's 0 (and therefore outscored him 19-13). Be that as it may, those four starters for each team effectively countered each other all out; Drummond, Monroe, Singler, and Jennings combined for 71 points on 28/58 shooting, while Walker, Gilchrist, Henderson, and Jefferson combined for 73 points on 28/54 shooting.

    Then you look at McRoberts vs. Smith and the Pistons' bench vs. Charlotte's bench. While the Joshes scored about the same number of points (14 to 12), Smith got his on 17 shots while McRoberts got his on 5. 5 shots. All three-pointers. If Smith hits three more of his shots he's at 18 points while still under 50%, and the game is a lot closer.

    The other culprit? The bench. Stuckey was responsible for 10 misses and 1 make. Even with Drummond grabbing over 20% of the available rebounds, Stuckey dropping a giant egg like that hurts the team. Without three-point or free-throw shooters, the team has to shoot well and grab misses more effectively than other teams if they want to have a chance to win. You can't have a guy miss 10 shots. Ever. And it's not like Stuckey's good enough on the defensive end to in any way make up for that.

    Bynum was okay offensively, going 9/6, but the dude just doesn't have a clue on defense. It's like he doesn't even try. He was standing still in that zone in the fourth (that seemed to help limit Jefferson, btw, and when they're running the big three they might want to break it out more on occasion since they'll always have a good weakside rim-protector down low and can't defend the perimeter anyway).

    Pope did nothing in his 10 minutes. Seriously:
    10 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 -2 0

    Enjoy that line while you see it because it's rare.

    So Jefferson wasn't exactly unstoppable, and Detroit did a decent chance of containing him even though he had 32/12, and Walker had a moderately good 22/7 game. Stuckey and Smith killed Detroit offensively yesterday, taking bad shot after bad shot, and there was no way that Drummond could make up for all of that inaccuracy.

    Jennings, for his part, looks depressed out there. It's clear that he misses Cheeks, and is probably angry that Cheeks was thrown under the bus for the team not improving when it's clear that he is. He took that frustration tech at the end, and I get the feeling that he realizes that his teammates aren't playing hard. He has to know how important these two games are for the season, and if they lose both, given the schedule difference the rest of the way, the playoffs become a huge longshot.

    P.S. The Pistons only had 7 turnovers. That's not bad.
     
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    Pope is posting 0 point games like crazy lately.
     
  3. Laimbrane

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    The Pope is taking a vow of shooting poverty.
     
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    Maybe it's time to move Pope to the end of the bench and see if the other rookie guard Siva can at least put up something other than 0's across the board.

    I mean he might not be able to stop anyone, but maybe he scores 5 pts and dishes out 5 assists. That's a net of 15 pts he can contribute.
     
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    Zeros in 6 out of his last 7 games over an 81 minute span. Safe to say that if singler did that, there may have been at least one mention about it up to this point.
     
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    its official - our team sucks. Prob lose tonight too.
     
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    Maybe the goal was to win the first game for Loyer to justify the Cheeks firing and then tank the rest of the season to get the high draft pick for the new coach and possible new GM.....unless of course that is Joe and Gores plan. At least one player has to be in on the tank.....
    Loyer's coaching history:
    game 1...won convincingly with a slight let down in the 4th
    game 2...got the big lead and folded in the 4th quarter
    game 3... folded in the first quarter and played even the rest of the game..
    game 4 ?
     
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    This loss has nothing to do with our bench being horrid (although it was) or the individual plays of Singler or Bynum or Stuckey. Our starters were absolutely terrible.

    When we ran our offense through Monroe, good things happened. When Smith posted up, good things happened. But, those were so rare. We kept on chucking long-contested 2 pointers. Horrible horrible offense. We just could not score. Smith and Jennings took so many ill-advised shots, it made me sick. And Big Al had his way with our front line. For all the impressive stats Drummond put up, Al Jefferson just kept shooting over him as if he was Kyle Singler. Moose did even worse.

    The idiotic lineups didn't help either. This team SHOULD NEVER EVER play small ball. We have a great off-road rock crawler, and we keep entering drag races with it. Bynum and Stuckey should never be on the court at the same time. These 3-guard lineups MUST STOP!

    We can keep beating our heads about the sub-par plays of marginal role players or bench scrubs all day long. Even if all the stars lined up in that summer sky, we still would've lost this game thanks to the unending barrage of stinkbombs from our marquee FAs and the inability to play any sort of defense by our bigs. At this point, Drummond is still nowhere near Jason Maxiell defensively. Moose is aspiring to BoT-level defense. Smith seems to have forgotten the meaning of the word.
     
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    what would this be - year 5 of trying to tank. Throw the rest of the season away so we can draft another Knight, Monroe or Pope that we can trade later for an overpaid player that we will eventually try to cut for cap space.
     
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    So damn sick of watching this train wreck. Year after year after year.

    Not even the excitement of how good Andre is keeps me watching a full game anymore.
     
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    Some things that happen on the floor that spell disaster
    Stuckey or Bynum taking every shot no matter who else is wide open.
    When you see Bynum, Singler and Stuckey on the floor at the same time.
    When you see Bynum, Singler, JJ and Stuckey on the floor at the same time
    When you see Bynum, Singler, JJ, GiGi and Stuckey on the floor at the time
    When you see Bynum, Singler, JJ, Gigi and BoT on the floor at the same time

    Any fourth quarter tight game when for 5 straight possessions, it's a two man game with only Jennings and Smith touch the ball and the first four possessions result in a long brick three attempt or a turnover or a wild floater by either of them that no way was going to fall through the hoop. It seems no other player steps up to demand the ball as they know its between those two and no one else.
     
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    Here is one of the reasons this team still is so bad, why lesser teams beat us and why I really do hate some of our players the more I watch them - with the next two games crucial to that playoff spot:

    I read that over the break, BJ was going to be "thinking about the Bobcats all weekend"

    I just read that the Bobcats pushed each other and they worked out in the gym all weekend.
     
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    PS, Monroe is not allowed, by some obscure league rule, from busting a move inside, from the bench.
     
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    He is not allowed to play much defense either.
     
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    The more I think about this game, the more pissed off I get. This was a statement game. This was the game where these players were supposed to lay it on the line and begin their playoff push. This was the game where they were supposed to go out there and dominate the Bobcats after being called idiots by one Charles Barkley. Instead, they just went out there and validated everything that was said about them.

    We should hire JaVale McGee as the player-coach. Because that's the kind of knucklehead coach this team deserves.
     
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    The Pope is taking a vow of abstinence............
     
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    He sure looks like a bust so far.
     
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    He looks like a poor man's Thabo Sefalosha, which is super depressing since Sefalosha isn't that good to begin with.
     
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    I don't have a problem with KCP, I have a problem with who he is playing for.
     
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    He looks the same as he did back in the summer league. Still searching for a shot that couldn't find the hoop then and hasn't got any better despite getting more PT to begin the season in his rookie season than Dre ever got.
     
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