Discussion in 'Pistons and NBA' started by mikhail1973, Jan 3, 2008.
BEN WALLACE/JOAKIM NOAH INCIDENT: Wouldn't happen with Pistons, team says
The Bulls are suffering from a big ol' nasty case of over-hype. If they hadn't played above their heads the last month of the season last year they probably wouldn't have made the playoffs. But, they got all excited over beating a Heat team that in hindsight was well on the way down, then overpaid for Ben who also in hindsight has perhaps his best days behind him, and then failed to pull the trigger to shore up some glaring weaknesses in the team via a trade.
And they probably started to listen to all the pundits who claimed the championship was theirs this season if they just showed up. Add in a coach not willing to pander to the wunderkind, and you get 15 and 22. Sorry Pax, your head is on the block.
Loyality to contract is far more important...
I was angry when Ben turned down 50 mill to stay with the Pistons in order to get 60 mill with the Bulls. I've said this before, and when I do someone invariably says they'd like to see what I would do if I was in the same position.
Well for starters the difference between 50 MILLION and 60 MILLION dollars to me seems not so significant because either means that my family is set for generations.
And next you have the added pressures that signing for 60 mill placed on Ben. He was viewed by many as the 'missing piece' that would put the Bulls in title contention. Those are some heavy expectations. On the other hand, there was a general feeling that he had already earned his 50 mill with the Pistons, and so the expectations wouldn't have risen much from what they were.
If he would have taken the 50 mill to stay with Detroit there would still be some Pistons fans bemoaning his contract during this decline, but he'd still have a loyal following at the Palace and would undoubtedly have his jersey hung from the rafters after he retired.
The other thing to consider is that Ben may have been a better fit with the Pistons, because of the way that he gelled with Rasheed. They were very complimentary players. Ben liked to do the dirty work and Sheed could pull his defender all the way out to the 3-point line.
The Bulls just have too many guys like Ben Wallace and no post presence at all. It makes it difficult for him to do his thing.
If he were still on the Pistons, I'm not sure that everyone would agree that he is in a rapid decline.
Even though the Bulls are in last place in our division, it is not out of the question to think that they could still make the playoffs.
1) Bos 31-6 (will win their division)
2) Det 29-10 (will win Central)
3) Orl 24-17 (will probably win their division)
4) Was 20-17- probably safe
5) Cle 21-18- on the rise, Bulls can't catch them
6) Tor 21-18- probably safe
7) Atl 17-18- who knows
8) NJ 18-20- maybe they will rebuild?
9) Ind 18-22- same number of losses as Chicago
10) Mil 16-23- more losses than Chicago
11) Chi- 15-22
So really, all Chicago has to do is play slightly better than .500 ball for the rest of the season to have a chance of slipping into the 7/8 spot. Of all the teams who are out of it, they have the best chance.
I think that best case scenario, they get the 8 spot and wear Boston out a bit in the first round. Then they'll have to play the Lebron's in the 2nd round. Then us. We may be better off in the #2 spot b/c of all this. We'll plough through Atlanta and Orlando.
Recent Ben attack from a Blogabull Ben hater:
Here's from outside Chicago:
Clock's ticking on Big Ben -- OrlandoSentinel.com
Not really outside Chicago since Sam is a Chicago beat writer.
Still, interesting notion that the Bulls should move Ben not because he can't help, but because the team is lottery bound and is wasting money on an older player.
Sounds like Ben ends his career on a low note. I remember when I used to call him Big Ben. He's not so big anymore. Kinda sad that he's still playing. Pistons aren't certainly interested in him for next season. Too much money.......I miss his skills......
To the difference between 50 million and 60 million is 10 million. Thats 20%. If I was offered a job going from 55000 to 67000 a year, like I'm going to pass that up.
What if you knew you would be unqualified for the 67,000 job and would be embarrassed on a daily basis as your customers complained to management about you?
I would still have the belief in myself that I could do it. Its a risk you take in any new job.
What would you do if you would get the money even if you didn't work?
What if you have to leave all of your friends and go work on group projects with guys like Tyrus Thomas and Joakim Noah... and Scott Skiles was going to be your new boss?
What if you couldn't wear your headband to work?
What if you were forced to wear $15 shoes?
What if you had to shower with your co-workers after work every single day?
Hey I got my sons the Big Ben tee-shirts for Christmas at Steve and Barry's and they won't wear them>>>??
I don't know what the problem is, they have no problem whippin' us.
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