Chicago fans and media all over Ben. Could he be moved?

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  1. TWOTIMESRALPHI

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    Man, I'm so glad Ben's contract wasn't extended. I'd be whining all over about his decline and about the impossibility to win the ship with him.
    He simply hasn't been his old self for 2-3 seasons and will never be again.
    But geez, that old Ben was a helluva playa!
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    Probably will help Joe D. decide on whether to offer Sheed a new contract.

    :hoops:
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    If it does help, then it's not that bad I guess.
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    we loss to the bulls in the regular season as some sort of payof that joe and paxson worked out for them taking his contract issue off our hands.... GRIN

    but in all seriousness, i can't think that ben given a do over wouldn't have taken the money and ran..... sure money is great and all, but when you make as much as they make what really besides prestigue do you get with a couple extra million and the hit he's taking in respect and status is not worth the money now i bet.
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    This guy just seems to love Ben.
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    Joe runs this team like a corp payroll dept.

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    I am watching the Bulls - Jazz game and it looks like Big Ben has pulled a Pudge and bulked down.

    He looks smaller in the upper body and arms than he did with us in his prime.

    :hoops:
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    I noticed the same thing,too. Ben seems smaller to me. He looks less muscular, i guess everyone is laying off the steriods nowadays.
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    I don't even want to think about the possibility that Ben had been juiced up all the years he was with us.

    Though it did occur to me that his career did quite suddenly skyrocket after we got him in the trade. Maybe there is more to Arnie's methods than we know.

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    I've noticed he looked different as well, couldn't pinpoint it really, but he does look smaller. I thought it was just the disconnect i had from him now that he's not on the Pistons anymore.

    As for Sheed. I think Joe D offering him another contract depends on where the team is at (contending/rebuilding). His talent esp his offensive skills will keep him effective for a long time in the league. Even if we signed/traded him, i think he would actually bring us good (but not equal) value back.

    I don't see Joe giving up Sheed unless we're in total rebuild mode or he wants to leave. As long as Sheed is committed to this team, he'll stay.
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    Arnie could have changed Bens diet and gotten the same results that other guys get with a needle.

    Steroids are for guys that dont know anything about how to maximize the effect of diet and training on biochemistry.
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    I don't think the NBA started cracking down on testing until 2006 so it is possible. I can't see it though. Most likely has not been working out like he used to.
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    Come on now. Ben wasn't juice'n. He's just getting older.

    By the way, there was a really coincidental stat line from Ben Wallace and Darko tonight.

    Ben-
    38 minutes
    7 rebounds
    2 assists
    2 steals
    3 blocks

    Darko-
    39 minutes
    7 rebounds
    2 assists
    2 steals
    3 blocks
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    On the other hand Milicic scored 14 points, which Wallace hasn't done in 11 months.

    On the other other hand Milicic came up as a -18 in +/-, while Wallace was -11.

    On the fourth hand it seems that Memphis now has the attitude that they paid for Darko's services and they'll leave him on the court as their only big man until he physically collapses, whereas Chicago's trying desperately to unload Ben, playing him minutes he doesn't deserve over Noah just to maintain the fiction that he's still an impact player.
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    What a sad end one of american dreams: from undrafted to all-star. Chancey stayed in pistons for less money(he could have gotten more easily) but the most important thing is - he is happy.
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    I would really like to think he is just is not working out as much anymore. When you get old; i.e. over 30 (LOL) you start to lose the muscle tone pretty fast unless you keep at on a regular and rigorous basis and the older you get the faster you lose it and the harder it is to replace it.

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    you have to wonder if the two of them talked and ben said be smart stay in detroit.
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    That simply ain't true. There was absolutely no market for CB last off season and JoeD may have given him even more than would have been needed to make him stay.
    As for Ben, I can imagine he was or still juicin'- but he's definetely not the only one in the league.

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