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Away Cleveland Cavaliers Tuesday Feb 21 2012

Discussion in 'February 2012' started by roscoe36, Feb 19, 2012.

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Who wins?

Poll closed Feb 21, 2012.
  1. Detroit

    75.0%
  2. Cleveland

    25.0%
  1. roscoe36

    roscoe36 All-Star Administrator

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  2. Walter

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    Bump.

    We're playing these clowns 6 times this year including preseason. We're 1-2 against them so far and I fear it'll be 1-3 after today.
     
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    I'm picking Detroit. The Pistons have been playing well lately, and the Cavs lost Varejao to a broken wrist. That should make it much easier for Monroe and the gang to control the paint.
     
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    I'm picking Detroit not just to win but to throttle the living daylights out of this Cleveland team with suffocating defense.
     
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    Good Half all things considered. Cavs interior D is leaving holes for Monroe + co to get offensive rebounds. Monroe is leaving his guy open a lot to harass the ball handler. Is that part of the game plan?

    We're running and attacking.

    Gordon is playing with Wilkins, Wallace, Bynum and JJ. SHOOT THE BALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1one11
     
  6. alexa032

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    Stupid ball. Jamison's been killing us all night, and you leave him open AGAIN?!
     
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    Well 4th quarter choke is well on the cards.
     
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    Yup, getting eaten from the 3pt line.
     
  9. alexa032

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    Wow, great game guys. Really. Way to fall apart there. :lame: Stuckey playing stupid again. Tay's being a selfish turd. Brandon was wide open at the arc twice and both Tay and Stuck ignore him to jack up some lame shot in the lane. Real smart.
     
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    Ben Gordon needs to go bye bye. He cant play defense and he is worthless unless he is feeding water to the REAL players on the bench when they are thirsty. Coach kept the bench in too long starting out the 4th and the cavs ran off 6-7 straight and cut the lead in half and worse...gave the cavs the opening they needed to gain energy. Then he brings in BG and slides Tay to the 4? wtf was he not paying attention to the cavs eating us up on the glass? Right now my xmas present would b BG on the plane outta D
     
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  11. BillLaimbeer

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    12 of the 16 voters picked Detroit to win this game.

    Detroit: roscoe36,TaShawn,Darth Tater,Woody,linwood,Slippy,dba,Ernie the Slow Adult,sgzamic,round,Pistons0809,Mogilny

    Cleveland: BillLaimbeer,BallDon'tLie,Nemo,Walter,
     
  12. Laimbrane

    Laimbrane All-Star Forum Donor

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    2-15. $28 million. Detroit loses and moves ahead of Sacramento for sixth slot in the lottery. Prince was worth every penny.
     
  13. BillLaimbeer

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    No doubt that Prince has been reading our taynking threads lately. Perhaps that is what Joe D had in mind when referring to Tay as an "asset."
     
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    The consumate anchor
     
  15. Laimbrane

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    Once again, Joe is a total genius and like three steps ahead of the rest of the league. By tying up massive contracts in Prince, Gordon, and Villanueva, he's virtually assured that even with a collection of good, young talent, the vets are going to hog the ball and keep win totals low. Then, when Villanueva's and Gordon's contracts expire, they'll have the money to resign Monroe and Knight and pick up a solid free agent.

    I will point out that he probably didn't predict that Frank would get the production out of Maxiell that he has, but I'll give him credit for recognizing that Jerebko was not really a four.
     
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    Awesome post Laimbrane. Just awesome.
     
  17. alexa032

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    Ridiculously frustrating game. Had a great start, leading by double digits at halftime and at the start of the fourth, then Lawrence Frank puts in the one lineup I've always hated and just KNEW would kill us. You got no scorers in the frontcourt in Big Ben, Max and Wilkins, then you have a ball hog and a dummy who doesn't know what a good shot is in BG and what do you get? A Cavs comeback. And even after it became obvious they needed a PG to calm them the eff down, Bynum (you calling him a PG?!) stays in with BG and Stuck. Blech.

    Brandon had a good game. His assist numbers aren't as pretty to look at as Kyrie's (hit TO numbers are prettier though as Irving had 6), but he played well, especially late. He was shooting it well from deep, 4/5 for the night, and 8 of 12 overall, one of those 3s was a big shot to pull even with the Cavs at 95 all as well. Part of the reason his assist numbers aren't high is because Stuck and Tay dominated the ball, playing way too much isotayshaun basketball, especially in that third quarter. Once he gave it up he never saw it again. After Stuck's awful turnover late, he had the ball in his hands again and they got good shots, but it was too late by then as the "Vets" previously all wanted to be the heroes and played like tools for the preceding 5 minutes. Says a lot that I trust a 20 year old rookie PG to keep his cool late than "veterans" who should really know better.

    Greg had a good game offensively and on the boards, but his defense wasn't good, and his tech ended up being really costly seeing as the Cavs only won by one. If he's going to be a legit player in this league, he must improve his defense; he left his man wide open several times and failed to box out quite a bit as well. I know he got fouled on the play where he got the tech, but reign yourself in man. That was his third tech of the season.

    Look, I know Stuck has played well of late, but man, he is not a closer. His turnover late was part of the reason why they lost as it led to a wide open layup on the other end. His assist numbers look nice, yes, but note that every single one of those assists came in the first half, and at least three came because he got in the lane and was forced to make a pass. I was getting progressively irritated by his play in the third quarter as he and Tay took turns playing isotayshaun basketball. Granted, he played decently well in the first half, but man, his end of the game play was just...:burp:

    Isotayshaun! I did mention he ignored Brandon (who shot 90% from 3) wide open beyond the arc earlier, only to miss an ugly, flat, well contested shot in the lane, but his bad play extended far beyond that. He was hoisting shots left and right and took only one less shot than Greg, shooting a wonderful 2 for 15. He was also the dude who was supposed to be guarding Jamison, no? How many times did he leave him wide open again? Jamison shot 50% and got whatever he wanted all night. He was also ignoring his guards to "lead" the fast break all throughout the game, and constantly pulled it back even when they had numbers. If he didn't pull it back, he dribbled around then shot a flat-lookinh hook shot. Good job, Tay. Not.

    BG! He played decently well offensively, but like Stuck, his play at the end was so...blah, forcing shots with a hand in his face, never looking to pass, trying to be the hero. Make the right play, who cares if you're the hero or not? Seriously. He did hit a big three at least, it was the one good shot he took in crunch time. He was dribbling around aimlessly far too much for a large chunk of the game, and it was him and Bynum in the backcourt when the Cavs made their comeback, leaving Kyrie wide open at the three point line and getting beat off the dribble. Our crappy interior D didn't help either, was porous all night. He also had a bad play on the break, as off the pass from Brandon he opted to pass when he was already airborne. Turnover. Take the shot, dummy.

    Will Bynum. Why were you playing PG? Played decent defense...but he's still a ball hog. Sorry, not a fan.

    Max was in foul trouble all night, was pretty ineffective as a result.

    Big Ben was okay, the defense was noticeably better with him in there, but the lineup with him on the floor was terrible.

    JJ played decently well, but he was forced into more playing time by Max's foul trouble and him actually being a SF and all, he struggled against the Cavs' big men.

    I was actually kind of looking forward to this game to see how Brandon would do against Kyrie, and he acquitted himself quite well, though he probably deferred too much for stretches and his coach kept him on the bench too long leaving the team on the floor without a PG. This game was lost in the early fourth quarter with that godawful lineup I mentioned up top playing way too much. They had the momentum for most of the game, but then the offense stagnated, no one could score, the Cavs got back in it, their crowd pumped up, and that's all she wrote.
     
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  18. BillLaimbeer

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    It's funny that we think that Maxiel is productive when he starts putting up 5 points and 4 rebounds per game.
     
  19. alexa032

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    Yeah. In every sense of the word. All aboard the Taynk train!
     
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    Despite all that happened, it really boils down to a coaching loss. From shear stubbornness, coach played the 2nd half all wrong. You see, with JMAX and Monroe in there, we owned the offensive glass. Totally owned it, and Cleveland's offense stalled out as they had to keep everyone back to gain the defensive board. And you know, if you put in Ben Wallace when JMAX gets into foul trouble, more of the same can be expected. But instead, really early in the 3rd quarter, JMAX gets foul number 4, and coach goes playing losing basketball, putting JJ in to pair with Monroe, even though he proved long ago that it will never work. Not only is JJ and Monroe a terrible pairing, one that never ever results in us getting an offensive rebound, it pretty much forces coach to then go with the even more ridiculous pairing of Big Ben and JMAX later in the half. All we needed to do to secure this win - put Ben Wallace in when JMAX got into foul trouble. Keep the pressure on the offensive boards. Sure, we did ok for much of that 3rd quarter as we came up with several steals - but some of that was a bit of luck in Cleveland getting sloppy. And sure, we had every chance to win it late - but it should never have gotten to a tie game late. We should have kept the pressure up the whole way.

    Overusing bad combos. Not the way to go. You can get away with it for a while, but if you continually put units that can't function out there, you eventually lose the game, cause the other coach will exploit your bad coaching soon enough.

    Kudos to Knight for having an outstanding offensive game, and to Monroe for another rather impressive double doulble. I believe this coach does know how to coach by the way, but I believe he chooses not to coach but rather feeds his stubbornness instead. I will repeat it once again. Avoid pairing JJ and Monroe as our bigs because between the two you get zero toughness inside, and avoid pairing JMAX and Big Ben because our offense will stall out. A little here and there is ok, but never, when you have a clearly better choice, choose the wrong path.
     

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