Away Cleveland Cavaliers Wednesday, April 09, 2014

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  1. roscoe36

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    @ Cleveland Cavaliers

    Wednesday, April 09, 2014 - 7:00 PM Eastern


    Quicken Loans Arena, Cleveland, OH

    LOCAL TV: FS Detroit
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    RADIO: 97.1 FM The Ticket

    GO PISTONS!
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    The fan interest in the Pistons season is at an all-time high! This game is nearly over and there are no posts to this thread.

    As it turns out, this is one of the most pivotal games for the Pistons franchise future. A win against the Cavs and this year's draft pick is in serious jeopardy of being lost.

    Luckily, the Pistons are getting hammered by about 30 points. The starters dug a 13-point hole in the first 10 minutes.

    Also on the plus side, our reserve guys (Datome, Siva, Mitchell, etc.) are finally getting some minutes.
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    Excellent loss tonight. Singler lead the starters in plus/minus with only -14. Datome made a couple of nice shots and then he also made one that didn't count but still looked good.
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    There is still an 18% chance of losing the pick in the lottery. Do the Pistons need the pick? Yes, they do. The current team consists of guards that just don't shoot well enough--night in and night out--no other way to mix it and explain it. And, the guards do not excel in many of the other aspects of the game as well. The 8th pick would bring in the top 2 or 3 point guard in college ball.

    But wait, Langlois on Pistons.com says the team would look to draft a "shooter." This is scary. The Piston point guards are Jennings, Bynum and Siva. Even with development of the front line next year, the lack of guard play in general and the point in particular will hold back the team. The goal for the Pistons should not be to get to .500. The goal is to get back to the elite level. For that, a point guard who can deliver much, much more that the team currently has will be needed to win at the elite level. Andre will get there but who else on the team do you vision there with him? Maybe a few.

    I don't blame Joe for Darko so much. But the lack of scouting on Gordon (to some extent) CV ( big time) and Jennings can't be overlooked. Beyond that, trying to win on the fly while rebuilding--the strategy since 2009-- has been a dismal failure and was never modified. It didn't work. How else do you explain 4 straight 30 game seasons? That is hard to do. Think about it. That is hard to do. You are supposed to have a 15 win season thrown in at least and a top five pick. The Pistons have not drafted higher than 7th during this bad stretch. The only reason it has not been a total failure is that other GM's gifted Andre at the 9th pick. Those GM's need to answer to their fans. But you just can't give Joe much credit there. The Pistons were trying to win at the end of that season. If they coveted Andre, they sure didn't show it.

    What to do now? I would trade most of the players associated with the last 4 years. Start a new culture. Get that front line some help.
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    It's important to remember there are competing interests. Loyer doesn't want to lose games, when he probably won't be back next year. He doesn't want that to be his record as a head coach.

    Gores may or may not well understand the cost and implications of losing that draft pick.

    Joe is probably more concerned with where he will be vacationing this summer than any draft prep or whatnot.

    The players probably don't want to lose any games either. They aren't interested in draft picks, but their next contract/stats etc.

    So yeah, what seems so clear to us (tank) is probably what very few people in the Pistons organization are considering.
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    Watching these last two games has really made me question the direction my life has taken.
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    Somebody needs to review the top 10 players available in the draft, with Gores and tell him how many maybe available to help his team and tell him to tell that lame duck interim coach to rest the starters for the playoffs....yep they need to be well rested to watch what the teams that are in the playoffs practice fundamentals of being successful teams.

    True a draft pick is not going to help the team right away, but you never know for sure until he suits up and you still don't know what FA you can con into signing in Detroit this summer with no coach or GM in place.
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    I just don't see the players being concerned with wins or losses right now.
    With a bunch of lame ducks running around the locker room...and offices...
    I see a team in complete disarray ready to head out for vacation time.
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    As usual, coach had no plan to win. Nothing was changed as we fell down 34 points, mostly before the end of the first half.

    First, our defense was at a bad disadvantage from having to help out Singler with Deng. There was no reason at all for Singler to be playing in this game. Nor any for that matter. But Deng makes him look particulary out of place as a pretend NBA player.

    So Singler comes out, and we use a front line of Monroe, JJ, and Pope. JJ is a decent player at small forward. At power forward, he is a joke. Sure, he hit 4 threes, but if you can't deal with the defensive duties, such as rebounding your position, you should not be playing that position. And of course, Pope is just as undersized as a small forward.

    Nice to see Mitchell get some minutes, pull some rebounds down, block a shot. But not once this season, a season of losing, and losing, and losing, did we ever try Mitchell out to see if he could help us win games. So the score for the owner, GM, and both coaches in this matter: complete fail. I see they are talking about Dumars going. But the owner seems to be nothing but a loser, to this point. When is he leaving? Sure, maybe he could actually start to care about winning all the sudden. I doubt it. There is always the fear Gores can't find an owner who will keep the team in Detroit. But if there is, and said owner would actually care about winning, please step forward.
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    The coach beat Atlanta the day before.

    I thought Jerebko played his best game of the season (at power forward no less). He was great on offense and okay on defense. He got 4 rebounds. Not bad.
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    If you wanted to win this game you must be pulling for the Pistons to lose their pick and hurt their future chances. That's very short-sighted. These are professional athletes. They shouldn't need the warm feeling of winning a meaningless game in order to develop a "winning attitude".
    Give the players some credit. Many have performed at the highest levels of college basketball. Siva and Singler have won National Championships. Will Bynum went to the National Championship with Georgia Tech and then fought his way from undrafted to NBA rotation player.
    They can handle a late season loss in a meaningless game. Please stop insulting their intelligence.
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    Im sick of hearing about that stupid pick., Something is seriously wrong with a system where you are in a position to root for your team to lose.
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    Right or wrong, that's the system that currently exists. The Pistons badly need that pick if they ever want to turn this thing around.
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    This year is unique for the Pistons. Normally we wouldn't care as much. Maybe we drop a spot or two...but losing this year's pick in a strong draft might be disastrous. It isn't about the system. It's about the spot the Pistons are in this year. Are you hoping they win some of these games at the expense of our pick? Seriously? How could anybody think that?
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    Its been 5 years in a row of this. Some members join the tank squad way too early in my opinion like mid-season.

    Its a dangerous trap to fall into. Year after year you see the same players - Sac, Philly competing for the most balls. Its just not good sports and its not very fun. All this and we wil prob end up drafting another Caldwell Pope and losing our pick from 2010 ( Monroe ) for nothing.

    Besides have to give up that pick eventually. Not like we dodge a bullet this year and dont have to worry anymore like in the Rodman trade (1995 ) it
    was a crappy move by Dumars and I said at the time that we would regret it.
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    No! It has not been 5 years of this. That's why I said this year is totally unique and it has nothing to do with past years. This year is a strong draft. Next year is predicted to be a weak draft. If we lose the pick it could really hurt the future of this team.
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    So you certainly agree, it was nuts for Dumars to mess with this pick?
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    JJ was minus 12. He scored very readily, but he helped not one bit stopping the other team, since he is out of position at power forward. He could have very easily played small forward in this game, with Singler never even getting dressed, scored all his points, and actually have been positive.
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    So he didn't stop the other team or he didn't stop the other team because he was playing PF? Two different things.

    Also, is there some way we can spin JJ's performance into Kyle Singler's fault?
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    That wasn't the question. We were talking about rooting for the team to win, when it could cost us dearly in the long run. At this point Joe is leaving and we can sit back and second guess every decision Dumars has made...but what's the point? Lee, I urge you to join the tanking squad. Are you with me?
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