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Discussion in 'March 2007' started by max, Mar 5, 2007.
Cleveland March 7 7:30 PM tv: tv20 Lebran James comes to town with the rest of the Cavs.
Down with the King! Down with Lebron!
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Why does this team insist upon crushing my soul?
Oh why, oh why does Flip play his starters to the bone (Tay playing major minutes)? Does he not think that anyone else on the team can contain Lebron? I'm pretty pissed that Delfino didn't even get in the 2nd half and Flip Friggin' Murray played twice as many minutes. The Pistons lost on the boards and took over 40 free throws so why isn't this a win again?
Bad, bad loss. No defense at all in the first quarter, but after it got better for most of the rest of the game, the D vanished again in the last few minutes of the 4th quarter. And then when it returned in the last couple of minutes of OT, the offense suddenly vanished, with bad shot selection and choking on the ones that were makeable. The Pistons are struggling pretty badly now, and the schedule's not going to make it easy to right the ship.
Flip Murray outplayed Billups on defense. How sad is that? Tayshaun played matador defense on Lebron all game. Why we cannot defend the P&R and why our man goes over the top instead of under every time is a coaching problem. Frustrating game. Sheed needs to keep sitting until he is right. He's playing on bad wheels.
Good games Rip Hamilton: in 47 minutes, put up 29 points and played good defense Carlos Delfino: in 6 minutes, played phen-omenal defense on LeBron and didn't see the second half Decent games Flip Murray: got to the line 6 times and actually got a stop on one of his defensive possessions Chris Webber: in 41 minutes, lousy defense and missed a ton of shots, but rebounded well Jason Maxiell: pretty good defense, but missed every shot he took Antonio McDyess: 7&6 in only 11 minutes. That his defense was bad goes without saying, though Bad games Tayshaun Prince: in 46 minutes, got smacked around by James for at least 30 points. Pretty efficient offense, though Chauncey Billups: in 45 minutes, nearly recorded a triple double, but missed 80% of his field goal attempts and a game-tieing uncontested layup in the clutch Rasheed Wallace: not terrible defensively or on the boards, but missed almost all of his spot-up threes Flip Saunders: Flip coached this like a playoff game.
A complete lack of offensive execution down the long stretch. Very poor execution for a contending team. This coach has had a long time to get the offense to a contending level. Do any of the other contenders in the NBA have this problem? We need points from Billips to go where we want to go--assists are not enough. His shots have no consistency to them. We need to get him some good looks (even though he is the point). Sheed did not look ready and that hurt. So why was he shooting threes? The defense was inconsistent. We have to hold teams to 90 in the regular season and around 80-85 in the playoffs. Not afraid of Cleveland but am wondering if our offense can take us to the big dance.
Well, Webber got his first 20-10 game as a Piston. Quite impressive on the offensive end of the floor. Not bad at times on D, but lacking very much in covering the lane to the basket. Meanwhile, Sheed could not move well at all to start the game, and Cleveland took advantage, owning the inside. They got a pretty hefty lead on us. The bench came in, Delfino, Murray, Maxiell, Dyess. And we pretty much tied the game back up. So why bring in the starters to end the 2nd quarter? Of course, to ensure we don't have anything at the end of the game. Sure we did ok there for those few minutes, but be assured, that coaching move lost us the game. Billups had a good game, and yet a horrible game. Great when he was deciding to drive in, draw fouls, and get to the line. Horrible when he decided it was yet another opportunity to clank a missed three off the rim. You take away all those very ill timed treys both he and Sheed took, and we win this game easily enough. Of course, a decent coach would be needed to control his team. Joe Dumars should fire Saunders tonight, take over the team. It would be hard work sure, but we could win it all this year. Its worth it. Rip had a fine scoring game and he spent quite a bit of time guarding Bron. He did not do so great at that, but for sure Rip put a lot of energy into the game. Bad shots? Not by Rip. He has a pretty darn good nose for when to take a shot. Webber scored pretty much all his inside. A steal by him where he took it all the way down and dunked was the highlight of his game. Basically, Webber just knows how to score. Dyess did a couple of good things, but his outside shooting, when not falling, hurts us. From what I can see, Dyess has enough of an inside game these days he should go back to that. Inside scoring is always more reliable, and we needed it mightily tonight. Flip did good. Basically controlled his urge to shoot the ball every time he touches it. If he could do that consistently, and actually put effort into defense consistently, he would be a regular in the rotation. Note, good D by Maxiell and Delfino got us back into the game in the first half. So Delfino is left out of the rotation in the 2nd half. Imagine that, no Hunter, and Delfino plays less. Its amazing how Flip can make a negative out of an opportunity. Tay did some scoring for us. Good stuff. Yet against Cleveland, he should have been driving inside all night, not just on occasion. And in key situations, where we had to have a stop on Bron, Delfino should have been in the game, not Prince. Not that bad a game overall after the first quarter. If Flip would have pulled Sheed out early in that first quarter, recognizing that Sheed was killing us by not being able to move, we would have never got so far in the hole. One loss. Oh well. At least JMAX played, and did quite well. GO PISTONS!!!!!
I know we went in to OT, but 40+mins for the CB, Rip, Tay & Cwebb is just plain dumb FLIP. Those guys played the last six minutes of regulation and all of OT which means they may have been "tired". Rip scores 10 pts in a row at one time in crunch time and OT, but no one else can hit a shot. Once again we waisted opportunities in the end by tossing up threes. (CB 0-6 from beyond the three and 2-10 overall). The eastern conference player of the month in February is 1-16 from beyond the arc in March. We got back in this game in the second by going to the paint and getting fouled. Then of course the starters come back in and everything is jump shot or bad pass. They still haven't capitalized or mastered all of the sweet passes that Cwebb delivers yet. Two late ones blown when LBJ blocked Rip who was right under the basket and then in the closing minute of OT CB tries a reverse layup off of a nice Cwebb pass that barely gets over the rim. This goes back to FLip again with those funky plays out of time out that didn't work , and his failure to convince Sheed to play down low. Once Z fouled out, both he and CWebb and should have been down low in those last 2 mins of OT to attack the rim!!! We may have beat them at the FT line 44 to 24, but they beat us in the pain 56 to 30. Not sure how we can miss Sheed for three games and Hunter for one and lose three of those and just barely beat the Grizzlies, but the Heat can miss Wade and Kopono and still blow out the Bulls??? Those 10 games that Hunter will be out will hurt more than we think. In the March poll someone thought that the Pistons would finish 15-2. Right now they would be lucky if the finish 6-11
e B/C the Heat are sound defensively, and have a fantastic coach. We are sleeping defensively, and our coach is an idiot. I was thinking back to the MIA game where those 2 drives happened at the end of the game (1 by Posey, the other i forget by who). At least 1 of those, if not both would've been a block/miss w/ our old defense. We still try to grind out games, but we don't seem to be good enough to play that style anymore. Hopefully this is just a case of Sheed being injured. After all, he IS our interior defense since DD is glued to the bench. I'm still trying to figure out why we were jacking up 3's, and why Saunders calls time-outs to set up a play in the 1st place. It's not like they work . . .
It's like he has this kneejerk reaction to call a timeout to quiet the crowd when his team is playing badly, and then remembers, oh yeah, we're at home.
When we were pushing the 10 point lead in the 4th, I had a feeling the invisible hand would put them back in the game. And then it happened, the worst non-charge call of the season. Lebron coming around a screen like a freight train looking behind him for the ball. Maxiell standing like the English Royal Guard for approximately 23 seconds before he was leveled. Blocking foul??? wait... that one was too obvious, how do we get out of this... double foul, jump ball. WTF? Is that a possible call in that circumstance? I want to see that on the Ronnie Nunn segment. Tayshaun's travel? That wasn't a travel, he kept his right as the pivot and then jumped off of both feet. Billups drives baseline, gets massacred by LeBron. He rotates 90 degrees in the air from the contact. No call. LeBron drives to the hoop. Phantom call when Tay leaves a good 2 feet between them. I watched in super slow mo on the DVR, the only contact between those 2 bodies was Lebron's off arm fending away Tay's arm, which was straight up. I'm telling you, the NBA did not want us to meet them in the ECF after sweeping them in the regular season. That would not be good for the old ratings. Yeah, we could have done a lot of things better, but we still had the second best team in the East beat.
you are reaching. that was a clear travel (foot shuffle) and the CB botched layup was due to tight D. besides, if the whistle was blown everytime there was tight D, we'd go back to %%%%%ing about the refs. we blew this one.
It's either a block or a charge. A double foul implies that it was a block and a charge, which is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard of.
A lot of the refereeing was bad, with that block/charge fiasco being the most obviously ridiculous thing, but we can't pin this one on the refs. The Pistons shot 29 FTs in the first half, for crying out loud! And I remember at least one of those calls in the first half--someone was called for a phantom foul on Tay as he drove to the hoop--being outrageously bad. Mike Brown went ballistic and got T'd up on that one, but it was tough to blame him. So to some extent, the calls that the Cavs were getting in the second half was just the refs evening things out a bit.
Seems like any conference finals that has LeBron in it would garner good ratings, especially one that has a good chance of going the full 7 games. I'm sure they would prefer a Shaq/Wade vs. LeBron but I feel the Pistons have a lot of "star" power, too, with Webber, Rip, C-Note and the ever-bad Sheed.
I don't think the refereeing is to blame. The Pistons can't keep coming out without energy. Sheed is not mobile at all. Billups cannot hit the broadside of a barn from 3. Except for Tayshaun calling his own number on the inbounds pass play, we're going to struggle if we continue to flounder on execution out of timeouts. It's only one game, but we are now 1-3 in the critical March run. If the Pistons don't pull up their bootstraps and get to work, this could be an ugly month to watch.
This SUCKS! How does this team just implode so horribly? Its just one loss...3 out of 4 times.
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