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Discussion in 'February 2007' started by max, Feb 8, 2007.
...apologies for crapping the chat tonight.
Clippers had no chance tonight without Brand, and the Pistons cruised to a pretty easy win. It was close in the first quarter, as the Clippers were hitting a bunch of jumpers, but the Pistons' starters got things going and built up a lead. The bench gave some of it back in the 2nd quarter, but the 3rd quarter was all Pistons, and the bench played better early in the 4th, allowing for about 7 minutes of garbage time in the 4th. Rip was the only one who played more than 32 minutes for the Pistons--he played 35. CWebb led the way with 19 points and 9 boards. All 5 starters hit double figures for the Pistons.
Delfino is being interviewed on NBA TV right now.
Detroit is so dominant that you really have to watch the numbers in a game like this.: Clips 74 fg's, Detroit 73 fg's Clips 19-2 ft's, Pistons 19-28ft's clips 9 to's, Pistons 10 to's Clips 46 rebs, pistons 45 rebs ...AND yet, WE WON BY 18 points!!! tHIS IS AVERY GOOD TEAM AND THEY ARE UP FROM 10TH TO 3RD IN usa today'S RANKINGS.
whachawhat u do, Low?
Well, Delfino's English needs some work...LOL. I remember Ginobili struggling with that as well when he first came to the NBA, but he got way better in what seemed like a really short amount of time. Looks like Carlos still has a ways to go. HQ, Low and Jackattaq got into another spat over Ben during garbage time in the 4th.
Nice to see that the Pistons were able to keep minutes down tonight instead of the bench not being able to hold a lead. Any time CB plays less than 30 and the Pistons win big, that's a good thing.
Merc-cap: I’ll start off when I woke up with 4 minutes left in the 1st. Pistons down three (sounds like the Clips were hitting all of their outside shots). Cwebb makes a tough running hook shot. Magette was bothered by Tays length and forcing against a double team earning a quick trip to the bench after pushing off. Just when the Clips looked like they were rolling Sheed nails a trey The Clips were staying in the game by pounding the offensive glass (three O boards on one possession)… especially Kaman … the Pistons need to work more on protecting the D glass. Tay welcomes the Christies back into the league by abusing him twice in a row inside and once outside Beautiful transition block by Maxiell where it looked like he had Jordanesque hang time. Delfino real busy off the bench playing nice D and getting an and 1 Clips are on a losing streak and show very little ball movement Tay & Thomas trade 3’s Tay feelin’ it with10 early pts Carlos finished inside on a nice move (usually the one he’s called for palming on) Couldn’t keep Kaman off the boards Delfino sneaks an O board in between 4 Clips Magette is very active creating space and scoring 8 pts with 5 minutes left in the 1st qtr. Hunter is cold missing open shots and botching a 3 on 1 chance… the defense is still negating the Clips guards though. Rips nails a 3 for a quite 10 with 4.22 left in the 2nd Kaman ain’t used to a big that can shoot outside like Sheed… Sheed started off slowly but he did have two 3’s in the first half. After he got Kaman’s respect Sheed had him set for a show and go drive for a foul. I didn’t have a problem with Sheed starting outside on the bigger slower Kaman. Cwebb not much of a factor early (Kaman winning the early edge when matched up) Sheed nice stop in a 3 on 1 break… good effort. Tay says dunk you very much off an inbound play as soon as he came off the bench ( a coaches call) 7 point lead after the first qtr… it was like the Pistons were jabbing them and setting up the killer blow Delfino gets Mr. intangible for the first qtr (and the game) Where is Brand tonight?… I must have missed something. Special K says the Pistons held the Clips to under 40% shooting and under 40 pts in the first half Tay 12 pts 6 for 9 in first half Cassell gets the goose egg after two qtrs (not much more for the game) 3rd Qtr Mobley starts off just like the first Qtr hitting from outside Rip is back to doin’ his mid range thing in this qtr Dunleavey gets T’d up (never liked this jerk) Sheed got a bad defensive call and the fuse was lit… thank goodness he showed discipline in selecting his words Chauncey made a nice drive and dish with the shot clock running out for an AND 1. Cwebb and Rip get back to their Zen playing (did they play 10 years together somewhere?) Clips are punch drunk half way through the 3rd… Ali is applying the rope-a-dope… the finisher is coming soon. Defense is back? I thought Livingston was an up-and-comer?... he gets the Mr. invisible award (ok he shared it with the Alien) Cwebb was able to match Kaman point for point for most of the game… which is all we can ask… then he turns on the burners later. The Pistons were clearly the smarter team… the Clips fell for all of the pump fakes. As soon as they took Kaman out Sheed gets inside position for an easy flush. The Pistons stayed with the zone longer than usually as it clearly bothered the Clips. Dice finally gets on the board with 1.5 minutes left in the third… but he did make some nice effort plays tonight Up 15 going into the 4th… the home team is already warming up their pipes with their rendition of “Goodnight sweetheart” Webb starts warming up and he’s got 19 pts early in the 4th Pistons do a nice job of denying the inlet pass to Kaman. Cassell is starting to show his age.. pretty much a non factor this game. The route is on and Brahma gets some PT with 7.5 minutes left. Blaha says “Dice off the high glass with a circus shot!” Nice defensive footwork this game… the Clips were late in the shot clock a lot this game. Nazr in @ 5.5 left in the game… drops a nice pass inside that woulda been a dunk. Murray also gets some PT this game. Delfino draws Magette assignment most of the time… he did a pretty good job… and also lost the quickness battle a couple times… tough matchup…we’ll take it. None of the scrubs played well… Jmax was out hustled by Paul Davis… Flip Jr. was “all about me”… and Nazr… well he uh… what did he do? Overall solid effort by the core tonight… distributing the ball… lock down D… and running an efficient offense… keep them wagons rollin’
just the thought....Me and Low love some BEN!..BTW, last night, Ben was 3-12 vs Phoenix at the line .Final? bulls 116-103.
Good recap, merc. Brand was a late scratch because of back spasms.
Another game with a slow start, both on defense and offense. Again, we don't start out using our post up game. But we got it going after those opening minutes, and because of good post play, ended up ahead in the first quarter. In the 3rd quarter, we started out immediately playing thru Webber in the post and the game was soon all but over. We saw our first 20-10 game from Webber. (Well, the refs blew that one call or CWebb would have ended up with 21-10, as it was, hey, I think we will all take a 19-9, player of the game.) Most of this was inside scoring, I think with one outside shot made. Webber's defense on Kamen, when we left Webber on his own, was not too good in the first half and Kamen did some damage in the post. But I don't think Kamen scored in the 2nd half. Sheed guarded him some and we double teamed otherwise. (Or sometimes Kamen was kept too far from the basket thru some good team effort.) No Brand. Oh well, still a good team with plenty of scorers. Good win, 7 in a row and 11-2 with Webber starting. The starters got their rest, Delfino played plenty and did great on D, the boards, and added some scoring, hitting a triple and going inside twice. JMAX got more than 5 minutes, and hit a shot fading from the post. Playing time does seem to help. A block too. Mohammed got in during garbage time, got some boards. Flip called his own number as usual when he got to play a bit. Delfino was out there in garbage time as well, and as usual, remained all about getting other people shots. What a team player. Dyess made several shots. CB got a few buckets mid-1st quarter and pretty much nothing after that except some free throws. Hamilton got some assists and a decent, but not great scoring numbers. Look for Rip's scoring numbers to continue to go down as we go more and more toward post play. Hunter had a pretty poor game. Yes, it still irks me that JMAX gets so many minutes with Hunter as the point, so never gets a chance to get much practice scoring from the post. The ball does not get to where it needs to go with Hunter running the point. I count this as another game where he hurt the team by playing. The only good thing, Hunter played enough point, lousy as it was, to keep CB out of the game, on the bench resting where he belongs. Tay hit some outside shots, got some buckets inside, and along with the rest of the Pistons played solid D after the first quarter. (Well, at least most of the first quarter was poor D in regards to the perimeter D, and in regards to not helping out Webber with Kamen.) Without Brand, the Clips had no interior D at all. Kamen is pretty decent on O, but thats it. Very incomplete player. Of course, against Sheed his O shows not that good at all. Besides Kamen scoring early on Webber, their 6-7 point guard was hitting outside shots to start the game. Tim Thomas nailed a few 3's, Maggette got some points. A story. No Dale Davis. Just 4 minutes of playing time this month. Saunders is pulling another Saunders here. This is not developing the bench. At least Delfino is getting some fairly regular burn these days, but that it as far as any serious efforts to try to expand out from the 7 man rotation he went down to last season before the playoff. JMAX did play both halves in this one, but Saunders only used JMAX for garbage time in the 4th, despite a comfy enough lead. Winning the game again is not as important as developing the bench. JMAX needed actual time with the regular rotation, not what amounted to playtime. This team still needs to get better. I love the wins too, please Flip, keep an eye on the playoffs. Start making decisions based on preparation for the playoffs. Expand the rotation. Add Blalock, Amir, and Dale Davis. Find a way. GO PISTONS!!!!!
6 Pistons shot > 50% tonight.
I think for Tay to play well all we have to do is 1. Add LA to the opposing team's name or 2. Play in LA Seriously is it just me or does he always get up for these games?
Thats true. Pistons have won 8 straight games against the Clipps, thats 4 years worth and they have not lost to the Lakers since game #2 of the 2004 Finals. At least Phil Jackson has a bar buddy to share his frusteration with. Just a great game. Pistons have not only beening winning games - thay have been blowing the competition out of the water during this 7 game streak. Prior win streaks featured a lot of nail bitters with the Starters pulling it out in the final 2 mins. This streak the game is over by then. Sheed and Dyess have been playing great, ever since Webber came.
As I said in my pre game comments, the Pistons should win going away as all you have to do is put together a decent run on the Clipps and they will die before halftime. Well it took a little longer (about the four minute mark of the third) but after that it was over. The Pistons wasted opportunites in the second qtr but still you could tell that Clippers were just going through the motions and couldn't wait to get back to the warmth of So Cal with their cold 32% shooting. Even if Elton Brand had played, the outcome of the game would have still been the same with a Pistons W. I think I saw Brand at the Grammys last night so I don't think he was in Detroit anyway. Nobody saw him on the bench did you?? The Pistons are playing well, but the litmus test will be on Wednesday vs the struggling Spurs. Anybody notice that Hunter was 1-8 and Murray 0-2. That's your backup point guards folks. (not that Murray is suited to run it).
Dre and lee, Good points about some of our problems with the second unit. We do have to get better as Miami looked good against SA. Can Webber do anything with Shaq? Will Saunders play Davis to take some fouls? Who is Joe bringing aboard for the point or perimeter defense? Lee on post-up game--I call it the Webber playbook. It seems to work. Dre, this was like an exhibition game without Brand. The Clippers are in bad shape.
I liked the second quarter small ball line-up last night. Hunter, Delfino, JMax, Dice, and either Rip or Tay. The Clips made one 6-0 run in the middle of their time, but otherwise the second was 18-7. Seemed like Delfino wanted to bring the ball up more but Hunter pouted every time.
i like after the game when they interviewed webber on the court and asked if he was still learning flip's plays and stuff - and he said nah, not really, it's time to just play. to me this is a good thing, because instead of getting locked down into specific offensive possessions, we can just use our strengths and get the best shot available. it's amazing how many smiles we're seeing from the pistons these days - especially sheed. they're having fun and killing their opponents. earlier in the year i was never confident that the pistons would pull out victories...now when i'm watching the games that confidence is back, and it looks like the players have it too.
Alas, from the best starting five in the league to "basically an average roster" (with two all-stars). I'm kind of liking average.
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