Counting The Pistons Out/Do We Have The Best Record In The East?

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  1. BillLaimbeer

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    What's wrong with giving the reserves some experience in crunch time? It might pay off in the playoffs. What if a starter goes down and Delfino, Maxiell, Hunter, or even Amir are called upon during crunch time? At this point, it really doesn't matter if the Pistons win or lose these last couple of games.

    Billups called the game a learning experience for the Pistons' reserves.

    Delfino said this will only boost the bench's confidence and keep the reserves sharp with the playoffs around the corner.

    "It was a close game and I'm just glad that coach had confidence in us," Maxiell said.
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    Ok, I know some people like him, why I cannot be sure, but playing Ronald Dupree is a complete waste of time.

    Does anyone think he has a future here? He's been in the league so long, as a non-playing practice player, and his skillset is mirrored by every swingman coming out of college. Younger, faster and with more upside.

    Ron, if you are out there brother, you've got a great gig. I'm surprised you haven't gone to Europe and signed a million+ dollar deal, but the NBA is safe and your contract is guaranteed.

    You just gotta be sick of playing for a minimum contract and never getting a chance to earn more. I know I am.
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    Every team needs quality people serving as their 11th-15th players. You need to have hard working guys filling those spots that are not going to see little playing time unless multiple injuries occur. If your 11th-15th guys are going to whine about playing time, then you've got trouble. Certainly, you need some young guys to develop in there, too.

    Dupree seems like a good fit for the end of a bench. Every once in a while, you got to throw the guy a bone, though. As an organization, treating players well is important for many reasons, including signing free agents for one.
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    This is Dupree's last year with the Pistons and you are right Roscoe (along with Lee) that his spot on the roster was just wasted space this season. I know he may be a good practice player, but why travel with the team for a whole season and get to play in only 17 games. In fact he has a total of 17 points for those 17 games and the only stat he logged in 5 mins of play last night was a foul.

    Dressing him in a Piston uni might be a positive these last few games to make him feel good, but since he will get absolutely no playoff time, why not dress Blaylock or even play Nazr a little more and give Cwebb some rest.
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    I'm not so sure this is Dupree's last year. He hasn't done anything this season to raise his value, and he's got a guarantee for next year.

    Unless there is some GM out there enamoured with Ron's potential, he's not going to get more money and opting out of this deal may leave him without a job.

    It's not his fault by any means he played last night, I just question the organization trading him away and then re-signing him. He's clearly injury depth and nothing more. I'd like to think (hope) that we could fill that spot with someone with upside, someone who will be part of our future.

    I guess most of my frustration comes from throwing away last nights game and the thinking that these last few games are just protocol. I invest a lot of energy into being a fan. I don't take games off.
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    Sup Dup should be held under the same rules as the other young players... if we're going to say "they can only get better with enough PT"... who knows, if Dupree played Delfino type minutes what kind of production we would get.... I'm looking forward to his career in Europe or the D-League.... he looked good with the Bulls when given regular minutes.

    I'm in the camp of getting the kids some early burn to help with decisions for next year... then ramping it up just before the playoffs (last two games).

    Blalock can not be labeled "one of our better players" without first proving he even belongs.

    I like to point made about how important it still is to win now in case we meet the Rockets or Jazz... just not sure if home court matters for this team.
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    I like the idea of trying to steal home court by splitting the first two games away.

    I dunno. There always seems to be plenty of doublespeak. Last year, it was homecourt or bust. This year, it's that homecourt doesn't matter.

    With the way the Pistons have played at home, maybe starting out on the road in the Finals would be best.

    Btw, Flip was quoted in the Detroit News today that he is unconcerned about going into the playoffs with a potential 4 game losing streak.

    It feels wrong typing that.
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    If memory serves correct I believe LB started using the reserves in the last 2 games but we won 1 of them anyway? At any rate the Pistons never had anything locked up for those 2 seasons. I don't know what LB would have done if we had the #1 seed locked up in the final 4 games. It never happened so its hard to say if he would have done the same thing as Flip.

    Dupree was an insurance policy, we never needed him. Not going to sign him next season so I agree that playing him is a waste of time. Just helping his next team out is all that we are doing by playing him. Different mindset between fans and players I suppose. To me paying the guy 700K is reward enough. For 700K he better have worked hard in practice.
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    Merc, its my opinion that Blalock is one of our better players. If you read me as stating facts, please do remember, this is a fan board, for people to state their opinions. Having point gaurd skills, in my book, is a major skill to have. Combined with the solid D he plays, this skill puts him ahead of many Piston players.
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    Personally, I really do not like the idea of going into the preseason with a 4 game losing streak.

    I would say its not a good mental mindset. I am all for giving the youngsters a chance to see what they can do, however, they must be coached into believing and treating their situation like it is a regular season game with all the expectations that comes with it. (Not garbage time minutes.....For lack of a better word).

    I was hoping that AJ would be brought back for the last few games of the season, if for nothing else than to see what he can do against NBA talent and teams that are fighting for positioning in the playoffs.

    The experience would be invaluable for someone like AJ.
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    That's fine Lee... it's also our right to disagree with "opinions"
    I like Blalock too... I really want him too succeed...
    It was nice to see the predraft reports on his style of game... I have always supported unselfish players... this is a winners mentality vs self serving stats based ideology.
    I'm just not ready to label him as anything, until he's had some success in this league... there are a lot of players searching for jobs that could dish but not shoot....
    His goal should be to improve his outside game to remove any doubt...
    Let's not be so sure about a player's staying power until he's actually done it for a year or two... otherwise you may subject yourself to a poor judgment profile.
    With that said I'm a hypocrite for the optimism on Amir... hey at least the kid's had some success in the D-League (and a lil in the NBA).
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    I completely agree with this theory. IMO we should have been preparing Dice, Delfino, Hunter and Murray for this throughout the season. The good thing about these games is that to most of our opponents they are like play off games. They NEED them. I would like to see a couple more starters scattered in at the end of a close game with the bench to more replicate a "real" game scenario.
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    As you know, I am pretty darn high on myself as far as judging a players potential to help a team, if played. Three games is all I need in general to watch a guy, in NBA action, to tell if he should be playing, if he could help the team. With Blalock, I had a whole lot more than that. And no, I don't mind taking the risk. I guess if I ever miss the boat on a call, I might think about worrying about my reputation.

    As for players who can dish, but not shoot, Hunter can do neither in the NBA playoffs. He has a very long playoff record to prove that. What can he do? He can play D. Used as a defensive stopper, he can be quite valuable. LA got a championship using him that way, and was foolish for not recognizing how much he contributed toward them winning it all that year. They let him go. He turns up on our doorstep a couple of years later, and as a defensive specialist, helps us win a championship. But rather than recognize what is special about him, we proceed, very unwisely, to use him as our primary backup point guard. That is a failure which we are about to repeat yet again.

    In my opinion, Will Blalock can help us win it all this year. Why? He can get inside the defense of the other team, and dish out the rock for easy shots. He can play solid D. He is a point guard and can run the plays. This includes ensuring the shots go up when our defense is set for transition D, and that somebody on our team is in position to contend for the rebound.

    This year is unique in that we have a D-League. Best guess, having Blalock get some playing time down there helps compared to him sitting on the bench and just watching others play up here in the bigs. Look at baseball. Different sport of course, but there are many instances of late season call ups ending up contributing in the playoffs. Blalock is at least playing the game of basketball.

    Now, with that said, Tay did not have the luxury of keeping the rust off as he sat for most of the season. But he still made major noise in the playoffs. And he made all that noise even though he knew none of the plays. Carlisle had a very play oriented system and Tay was simply not written into any of the scripts. But Tay was a good basketball player, lots of skills. He adapted well enough to help us beat Orlando, but against NJ, hey, that was too good a team to beat using a player who was never integrated into the system.

    With Blalock, for sure it would be a lot better if he had played all year with us up in the bigs. But Will is a solid basketball player. Lots of skills. He can help. In my opinion, a whole lot. Without a solid backup point, you can guarantee the other team will be doing whatever it can to target Billups to get him into foul trouble. And we will be doomed. The idea that Billups can play all the minutes only works if two things happen. One, no foul trouble, and two not any injuries, not even minor ones that limit his minutes.
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    Merc, sure the rule holds with all young players. They need time to get better. But you don't need to see a player all that much to see if some potential is there. Even in limited minutes, some learning should occur. Dupree has played plenty enough for me to see that he has very little potential to ever help this team toward a championship. No shot. No footwork. Speed and quicks, and thats it. That is not enough.
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    The problem with Blalock is that you can't win the in the NBA if your point guard can't shoot and can't score. That either means to keep the defense from collapsing and clogging up the paint, which would almost entirely negate Blalocks ability to penetrate you need to either:

    1. Play three guards with him on the floor which could lead to some awful matchups especially when the Pistons would only have 4 guys that could score. In addition our rebounding is not that great to begin with so with three guards it would be less than acceptable.

    2. Keep Sheed on the outside to open up the lane for Blalock. These creates a real problem on defense as we would have one less rebounder and one less guard to fall back in case of an opponents fast break. This would lead to too many fast break points by our opponents.

    3. Play the normal 3 bigs and 2 guards. This would leave our opponents free to double team who ever they choose at any time and not have to worry about getting burned.

    Blaylock was an ugly pick because he can't shoot. He couldn't shoot in college and and he still can't shoot and will probably never be able to shoot effectively enough to play in the NBA.

    :hoops:
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    I'm guessing Rodney was one of those famed three-day assessments stated earlier.
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    My sentments exacty here. Everyone can play and there is plenty of time during the game, but as you indicated, we probably/hopefully will never be in a situation where you have all 5 scrubs in there playing in crunch time during a playoff game. At least 2 starters in there to keep order is fine during crunch time to assure victories in the three remaining winnable games.

    For Flip to say he doesn't mind going into the post season with a 4 game losing streak is asinine. Didn't he learn his lesson last year? I don't want to see anybody injured, but you still go into the post season with some momentum and not assume you can just turn it on when you get there.

    I know that is CB and Sheeds' mantra, but the team has to have some pride about losing and some of us at home may say yeah its a meaningless game, but those Palace fans who paid anywhere from $25 to $1000 for todays tickets want to see three things. the stars playing, a pistons victory, and the dancing girls:)

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