Discussion in 'Pistons and NBA' started by roscoe36, Dec 6, 2006.
Denton: Armstrong Ready For Next Phase
Darrell Armstrong Statistics - Basketball-Reference.com
Wow, sounds like DA has a pretty bright future ahead of him. Pasting the newspaper article onto his cellphone so he would see it all the time sounds like something Jordan would have done.
There'd probably be better coffee in the lockerroom, too.
The coaching carousel usually goes
as eventually one style or approach loses the interest of a player group.
free the armstrong!
Is the consensus here that Laimbeer wouldn't be any good? I'm not trying to be a homer and I haven't really paid attention to his coaching style with the Shock.
I'm hesitant about Laimbeer because I can't tell where the homerism ends and the qualified coach begins.
We all have fond memories of Bill the butt kicker as a player, but this is an older, fatter, richer and wiser Bill. It's also a man who is now removed from broadcasting and has not worked in the league for over a decade.
I'd hate to see him setup to fail.
I don't really want to see another Trammell type situation... in that a home town hero gets fired.
It seems like he is the type of personality that could skip the whole assistant coach thing. JD could certainly be frank with him.
I guess what it comes down to is that I want to see a coach who likes hard basketball and who'll expect intensity from the players. If we can find someone else like that, then just as well. How about Charles Oakley?
Thats been the general trend.
Irvine to Carlisle, Brown to Flip. Except for Carlisle to Brown and Gentry to Irvine. Of course before that Collins coached between 2 softies.
I read an interview with one of the Shock players a few years ago where she talked about Laimbeer's coaching style. Apparently he is a hard ass who pushes the players to be better. He also forced them to watch alot of game tape to see where their strengths and weaknesses lie.
I'm all for giving Laimbs a chance. It worked out pretty well for Avery Johnson.
I would also suggest that part of his coaching staff include:
Lindsey Hunter: Defensive Specialist
Rick Mahorn: Chief Motivator and Effort coach
(I know. I'm a total homer)
Daly used to say that Laimbeer really understood the mental approach to the game. I'm willing to give it a try. There's no question he'll get respect from the players.
What are the other options? If JVG comes available he'd be a good one, though I don't understand why he's been less successful in Houston.
laimbeer owned the mental approach to the game as a player.
one thing's for sure...he'd take some of the heat off sheed!! haha. he's entertaining to watch on the sidelines coaching the shock
Honestly, I think Laimbeer gets too much credit sometimes. The true genius behind the Bad Boys was Chuck Daly. You could say (and The Low would emphatically agree) that the genius behind our title run was Larry Brown.
It is very hard to win a title (let alone make the Finals) without an elite coach. The only recent slightly above average coaches I can think of are Larry Bird and Byron Scott. And they were both losers.
Larry Brown, Pat Riley, Gregg Popovich, Phil Jackson, Chuck Daly and Rudy Tomjanovich have won the last 20 titles.
They have also lost 6 Finals during that time.
So in 40 possible appearances over that span, this elite group has been in the Finals 26 times.
That stat alone is very telling. The next coach to join that elite 6 will really have something to be proud of. Does anyone really see Flip joining that band of coaches...ever?
You could also say that Darko Milicic, Shaq, Tim Duncan, Michael Jordan, Hakeem Olajowon, and Isiah Thomas won the last 20 titles.
Not really the same.
Milicic had no impact on the title except for the Human Victory Cigar t-shirts.
OK, maybe replace Darko with Ben on my list.
My point is that if you choose between the following for your team, who would you choose (assume that the players are in their prime).
Michael Jordan or Phil Jackson
Ben Wallace or Larry Brown
Clearly, the franchise players are more important. Since almost all teams that are poised to win a Championship try to get an elite coach, it may be more correlation than cause-effect. Do you not think that there were any other coaches out there besides Phil Jackson that couldn't have won a Championship with MJ?
In the same way, an elite horse will get a great jockey. It is the icing on the cake, not the reason the horse ended up winning.
Actually I don't.
The league has been filled with elite teams who have not been able to put it together to win the big one. The Lakers couldn't get pass Utah without Phil Jackson. The Bulls did not become a great "team" until Phil took over. Jordan's ability and intelligence made Jordan the greatest player of all-time, but Phil helped Jordan to become a champion. You are correct that a coach needs a good team in order to win a championship (see Larry Brown's struggles). But take a look at it from this perspective... when the supposedly two best teams in the league meet at the end of the NBA campaign, the high profile coach historically takes home the trophy.
And I wish you were right about the contender seeking a high profile coach thing because if you were, we wouldn't have landed Flip.
It could also be argued that those teams gained the necessary experience through their failures to eventually win. Also, some of those situations took an aging dynasty to fall apart before the team that was knocking on the door could emerge.
The Bad Boys could have won earlier if the Lakers weren't peaking. The Bulls similarly relied on the deterioration of Detroit's bench to edge us out. It is doubtful that the Rockets would have won 2 Championships in the 90's if Jordan hadn't retired (would that still make Tomjanovich an elite coach?). Is Jerry Sloan not an elite coach? And didn't he have some amazing talent?
They both matter, but I think that the best way to determine the relative importance of coach's is to look at their salaries. Another confusing factor is that a team will rarely fire a coach after a Championship. This fact makes is difficult to see if those teams would have also won with another coach... say a Flip.
And I'm in no way trying to argue that Flip is capable of winning anything.
Jerry Sloan. That is who we need.
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