Darko expert licensing exam

Discussion in 'Pistons and NBA' started by TaS, Oct 20, 2006.

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Darko will exceed which of the following benchmarks by the All-Star game

Poll closed Oct 31, 2006.
  1. 16 points/ 40 min

    36.1%
  2. 12 rebounds/ 40 min

    19.4%
  3. 1.75 assists/ 40 min

    55.6%
  4. 2.25 blocks/ 40 min

    63.9%
  5. 0.75 steals/ 40 min

    25.0%
  6. None of the above

    16.7%
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  1. TaS

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    Lazy, the lineup that the Magic are putting on the floor right now is not one that can beat even the lower tier NBA teams. It's like they are playing pre-season games. What they have in talent and energy, they more than make up for in inexperience and injury. I wouldn't stress about it if I were you. They are making the best of a bad situation by throwing young guys into the fire. And after all, it's the East. It's not like they are going to miss the playoffs.

    Diener and JJ Redick had virtually no experience against other NBA starters until this week. And their starting guard, Arroyo, had only 1 assist last night! That is brutal. Then they stick Garrity out there with them to miss threes and play matador defense. Battie is shooting airballs from the post.

    So all the pressure goes to Dwight Howard. Even if Darko became a 7'1" entry passing specialist to Dwight Howard, he would be worth $10M/year, because nobody else on the team seems to be able to do it. If you pass the ball to him 10 times, you'll get 4 assists.
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    Thanks lazy! :)
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    Slippy All-Star Administrator Forum Donor

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    ORL and NOK both have key guys hurt and a lot of opportunities to show why the bench guys are not starters. Maybe with Sheed sitting, we can open up some floor time for our bench.
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    rdang First Round Draft Pick

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    I was watching Darko's after-game interview on Raptors TV a couple hours ago and I'm losing the faith that I had on this guy. A lot of the questions that were asked were mostly about his progress as a player. He just kept telling them that he was finding his game and that that he chalked it all up to not playing for 3 years.

    That's inexcusable to me. If basketball was your life, you keep up with your workout routines and drills. If you're going to be demanding big bucks from a team, you reciprocate by showing promise and good play. Darko has been showing some promise, but there's just times where he flat out gets embarassed.

    When I was watching him in the Toronto game, I was expecting a more dominant performance. Instead what do I see? A lackluster effort with Toronto's #1 draft pick Andrea Barganani having a career night off of Darko's expense. I've watched every single game this season for the Raptors guys and let me tell you, this kid is far from polished. But when he was up against Darko, he looked like this year's ROY. For someone praised as the next European superstar, Darko should not be getting embarrased by this 7'0 Italian rookie.

    Honestly though, I think the Magic are ruining him. I'm tired of seeing Darko attempt one of his awkward post ups - it looks unnatural and rushed. His head is always down and he's not strong enough (or shown enough passion) to finish the play. Its not his game and there's no way that they can have both him and Howard running similar types of plays. Milicic stated how: "he's still sometimes lost on offence but he's getting better."

    One of the reporters stated: "We've seen you post up players, block shots, rebound and play solid defence..."; which is all true, I give Darko his due, he has been playing well. But the question: "When is the game going to all come together?" is what's the real concern. He can show flashes of greatness here and there all he wants, but until he starts showing signs that he can dominate, rather than just showing signs of playing average basketball, he may never live up to our expectations.
  5. TaS

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    Another effective game for Orlando's backup center. 32 minutes, and 1 rebound short of a double double. +15 for the game.

    He played the entire 2nd quarter as they held the LeBrons to 8 points. It looked like an old fashion Pistons lockdown. And yes, James was playing the whole quarter too, less 50 seconds.


    An interesting player is emerging from the Magic bench as well... Travis Diener. He's a guy that you wouldn't think could possibly play in the NBA, but he just hits too many shots to be denied. He looks like "the professor" from AND1 streetball.
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    Diener rose to bit of prominence at Marquette when they made the Final Four in '03, with a backcourt of him and...Dwyane Wade. Maybe he can be a poor man's Steve Kerr type of player in the NBA.
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    The reality of it is is that the Central diviison is probably close to if not better than the Southwest division in the battle for the top division in the NBA. Right now only the Bucks are below .500 in the Central and by year end I expect that all the teams in the Central will be over .500.

    The Western Conference's early success this year against the East has been excerbated by the excessively lopsided home and away schedule early favioring the West.

    This is not to say that Phoenix, San Antonio, Utah Dallas and the Fakers are not among the top 8 teams in the league. But Houston is basically a two man team the rest of the West including the Clippers are medicore.

    The top eight teams in the league right now in no particular order are

    Detroit
    Chicago
    Cleveland
    San Antnoio
    Dallas
    Phoenix
    Lakers
    Utah

    :hoops:
  8. lazyberbs

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    After the last two nights' games, I think maybe Brian needs to reassess his rotations. Both Deiner and JJ need to be in there more. Even at their early states of development, teams need to respect their outside shots.

    Did anyone besides my wife and I notice that when Darko came in and dove out of bounds to flick an errant pass back in bounds, initiating a fast break basket, the game changed. After a 2-16 start, the Magic turned it around completely and beat the only team ahead of the Pistons in the Central. Deiner and JJ then made the whole pace of the game much faster. And if Hill thinks that Augustine could foul things up more than Garrity does, James must be pretty bad. That is another rotation changes that needs to be made.

    Notice that DMC is getting his share of post-game interviews these days. Under difficult circumstances, I didn't think the interview last night was as bad as some (one poster) did. He did say that he thought by later on this year, it would come together, after having to have the question re-asked due to the noise. I did notice that he did not have an exact date for that to happen :pound:though. And I don't know how he could make it more apparent that he wants to stay in Orlando and play with "these guys".

    And Buddha, I don't know how the Magic can be left off that list. If they can beat the LeBrons after starting out 2-16, with two starters out and another one injured, another bench player injured, and the LeBrons at full strength, they have to have some serious depth, at the very least. 16-10 after a three game losing streak seems pretty good to me.
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    It was tough no doubt but it had to be done.

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    Just out of boredom, I have decided to compare Dirk Nowizki with Darko Milicic at the age of 21. It is convenient because they both received about the same amount of playing time, and this is a guy that Darko was hyped to resemble pre-draft. It was Dirk's rookie year, and we could very well call this Darko's rookie year as well, since 4 MPG in 1/3 of games is a rounding error.

    Dirk/Darko

    MPG 20.4/ 22.5
    Pts 8.2/ 7.5
    Reb 3.4/ 5.0
    Ast 1.0/ 1.1
    Stl 0.6/ 0.6
    Blk 0.6/ 1.70
    TO 1.55/ 1.62
    PF 2.20/ 2.80
    FG% .405/ .450

    Gms started
    Dirk = 24 Darko = probably 0.

    The differences in their play were that Dirk scored more, but less efficiently. Darko got more boards and blocks. They were both semi turnover prone and either fouled a lot or didn't get much respect from the zebras.

    What happened when Dirk was 22? Well, they increased his playing time from 20 mins to 35 and he pretty much double all of his key stats, with only a modest increase in TO's and PF's. His shooting % increased drastically.

    This is why the bust talk is a little premature. You don't even want to see Jermaine O'Neals stats at that age, which was his 3rd year in the NBA. 8.6 MPG, 2.5 pts, etc.
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    Excellent Comparison Ta! It is all about experience and playing time with Darko. He will be good if given the opportunity to grow.
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    Interesting stats. Players definitely can bloom late. Everyone isn't going to be a Wade, Lebron or Melo and bloom immediately. One big difference between Darko and Dirk though as that Dirk always had a killer instinct. This is imperative to get to the next level.
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    I remember Dirk's first season. The reason being was he was battling for minutes with an aussie; Chris Anstey.
    Anstey's first season was the year before and he was starting to come along and be productive, but then Nowitzki came in the next year and took away all his minutes. I was rooting against Nowitzki back then. haha.
    I was thinking, 'who is this guy? never heard of him. he doesn't seem that good. Anstey should be playing'.

    Oh well.
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    It was a very interesting match-up between Darko and Will Bynum tonight. They are similar players, about the same age, and getting about the same amount of playing time, so I was curious how it would go.

    After watching it, I would say that they both had very good games. They each got the better of the other at different times and they primarily guarded each other in the post.

    Darko/Bynum
    min 19/13
    pts 13/13
    reb 8/4
    Ast 0/2
    St 1/0
    Blk 2/0
    TO 1/1
    PF 1/2

    They each led their team in the production stat and didn't get in foul trouble, so it is sort of amazing that they didn't get more minutes. 13 players got more playing time that Milicic, yet he led the game in rebounds, free throws, and blocks.
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    You mean Andrew Bynum, not former Georgia Tech (and current Maccabi Tel Aviv) guard Will Bynum.
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    TaS All-Star Forum Donor

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    Oh yeah, thanks. Drew Bynum.
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    After watching almost every single Raptor game this season and enjoying the opportunity to scout #1 draft pick Andrea Bargnani - I gotta say its too bad Darko's gone. His original style that LB destroyed - fronting his man, shooting treys and driving would've fit well if it panned out something similar to the way Bargnani plays right now.

    Bargnani has no post up moves, is a poor rebounder but has good defensive instincts (for someone his age and experience). Sounds kinda like Darko when Detroit first drafted him. He's the perfect example of the "what-if" that we ask if Darko got some adequate playing time to play the way HE wanted to play and was good at.

    I wished that Bargnani had some of the post repertoire that Darko has, but its a better decision to teach him these things AFTER he gains confidence in what he does best. This'll probably help ease the transition later on.
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    Bargnani is what Darko was not. He was an elite European player, leading a club and scoring a lot of points and making a lot of plays.

    It's like when people say that Delfino needs time to mature and learn and blablbla. I'll buy "adjust to the NBA game" but not mature. Some of these guys have been playing professional and international ball since they were 15.

    Bargnani is the next Dirk.
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    We're getting almost to the halfway point and Darko has not given me any reason to believe that he will be any more than a great bench player. I just don't see it.
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    that's crap to not acknowledge the difference in development. darko was young and raw and we let him rot and lb tried to destroy his confidence. i think if we had just unleashed darko on the league instead of destroying his style of play and destroying his confidence we wouldn't be having this conversation.

    players do need time to mature and learn. look at tracy, j o neal and plenty of other players. everybody doesn't make a huge splash as soon as they step foot into the nba. whether you are playing in the nba or international ball if you are 18 you still need time to mature. i was working 12 hours a day at 18 but i wasn't as mature as i am now.

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