Darko

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  1. jammertime

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    While I admire your loyalty, at what point does it become Darko's responsibility to play better than the 4 guys ahead of him and not the organizations fault for having 4 guys on the team that they like better than Darko? How many more organizations will it take to give up on him before you do?
  2. detteam

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    STOP bashing Darko!...we could conceivably dump Nazr for him :stirthepot:
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    jammertime Starter 1x Fantasy Champion Forum Donor

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    You know what, I'd be fine with that (although it would NEVER happen). At the very least Darko could be a shot blocking specialist. All Nazr is is a cap eating specialist.
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    Question of the day.

    Who would ya?

    Darko or Nazr for the MLE?
  5. linwood

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    I pick Nazr. When he earned his ring, he didn't break his hand.
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    when darko is on a team that he is rewarded for playing better than the 4 guys ahead of him then i'll know he got a fair deal. if he loses his spot after that then i will say it's his fault. but on the 2 teams that he has played for he has outplayed the guys in front of him yet was not rewarded. so basically my answer is when darko is truly given a fair chance to sink or swim.

    for example when mcdyess couldn't hit the side of the barn with his shot and darko was leading the league in blocks the depth chart should change. when darko is outplaying elden the depth chart should change. when darko outplays battie for a full season the depth chart should change. when darko is the only big man on the team that can make plays without a sure turnover then the offense should be ran through him instead of the other big.
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    "I think darko wanted to sign that deal so he could get on with slacking. "
    Slippage ,that was uncalled for.
    I think too many GMs think they can be Joe Dumars. Signing reliable guys at fair market value.
    Ha,Ha,Ha fork over your dough big shots.
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    TFD, some writer (maybe it was Blakely said its not what Darko does this year (contract year) but how he does after he signs his big contract that will show you what player he is. A lot of guys bust out in a contract year and then way under perform after they sign. Its not just the Mark Blounts but the Boris Diaws as well. People talk about Darkos work ethic enough that it becomes a serious consideration. I'm not so sure that he'll maintain his current level of development once he signed. At this point things look different. Being snubbed this way should give him a chip on his shoulder. Hopefully thats going to become the carrot.
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    I can't believe I'm saying this, but I pretty much agree with this statement. However, one thing I noticed about Darko in the Orlando-Detroit series is his conditioning -- or lack of it. The dude seemed to be sucking wind pretty hard. I suspect his work ethic was a problem in Orlando as it was in Detroit. Dude needs to go to Utah where there ain't squat to do so he can concentrate on his game. Dude was a bar rat in Windsor when he was here and I wouldn't be surprised to hear he plenty of time in downtown Orlando or South Beach when he was in Fla.
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    [SARCASM]I wonder if he is still smoking a pack a day?[/SARCASM]
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    i don't think he has a work ethic problem. darko plays super hard for a 7' 270 lb guy. he runs out at 3 point shooters, he bangs in the paint and he's moving in the offense that will tire you out. i don't think he doesn't have work ethic problems because i never saw him just put a hand up instead of running at a shooter. i never saw him take a play off. i guess people notice different things. i noticed darko in the 4th quarter digging deep and trying to get his team a win. he didn't look tired then.

    i think the whole pistons squad must have a work ethic problem. weren't all of them tired in the cleveland series??
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    Don't know what series you were watching, but Darko was the best player for Orlando. As for work ethic, I don't understand how people can criticize it. He developed a low post game, better than Howard. He's ripped, last I heard it took work to bulk up. And considering he was the best and most consistent player Orlando had in the playoffs, even though he was in his coaches dog house for most of the year, criticizing Darko's work effort makes no sense.

    People hate Darko's demeanor, but he's no less intense than Tay.

    As for being a bar rat, other than Tayshaun and Lindsey I doubt Darko partied any more or less than any other Piston.
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    I guess Howard must have a zillion other attributes then since he's staying in Orlando and Darko ain't. As far as what series I was watching, I did notice Darko sucking wind if he was out there for more than 6 minutes. I never said anything about his play. Could it be that he was working harder than anyone else on Orlando? Sure. I can't say for sure because I don't have the visual fixation on Darko that you do (see 16's avatar).
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    Howard is a far better player than Darko, but his major weakness is the lack of any low post moves. Detroit owned him by forcing him to get the ball where he couldn't dunk, which usually ended in a missed shot or a turnover.

    Even the announcers were commenting on how Howard needs to develop low post moves. Darko, may not have the ups or power, but he has a spin move, he has the baby hook shot, and doesn't turn it over when he gets doubled.
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    You're right, LB taught him well. When he came to Detroit, all he wanted to do was chuck it from outside. LB cured him of that. And before the DHOF Club objects, think about this: A lot of Darko apologists wanted him to go out there and toss up 3s a la Nowitzki and Brown didn't want that. He wanted Darko to learn how to play down low, like the old-school big men of Russell and Wilt. Interesting that his down-low play and shot-blocking is being praised now. I'm sure Darko will never admit that Brown taught him a few things and planted a few seeds.
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    It is possible if Davison would be willing to pay 2-3 mil in lux tax to sign CB, offer Darko a base MLE contract and re-sign Johnson.

    I know its not going to happen but Darko would be an upgrade for us over Mohammed. Maybe Dumars could even pull a deal to get a backup SF for Nazir.
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    darko is a natural shot blocker.

    it's nothing wrong with teaching darko post moves and nuances of inside play. it's another thing to totally destroy his strengths that made him a #2 pick in the process. darko should have had an inside/outside game. so far coaches have wanted him to have inside only which of course was his weaker area when he came into the league. darko's post game is move varied than howard's. i think howard has one move and it's very effective. the problem is that teams know his one move and can defend it. darko in the post is a different story. he has lots of moves and can pass very well that's why lots of people were calling for the offense to go through darko instead of howard.
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    maybe golden state could use some of that $10 million trade exception on the big fella. they could do with a big man who can run the floor.

    on the flip side, if they had $10 million to spend, you could probably get someone a lot better.
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    Darko shot .588 for the playoffs. Best in the series.
    I did notice some diminishing returns when Darko played 30 -35 min. during the reg. season.

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