Delfino VS Evans Revisited

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  1. Superstarov

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    Can anyone honestly tell me why Mo Evans is getting more playing time than Delfino? Really?

    According to Yahoo-Sports, Evans is averaging over 4 more minutes per game than Carlos.

    Mo's stats are slightly better, pretty much all around, but I personally don't put much stock in that... he plays more minutes.

    Anyone who watches the games can tell you that Carlos is a more intense player... brings some intangibles... looks better on Defense... and... can actually dribble a darn basketball.

    How nervous do you get when you see Mo trying to dribble in traffic?

    In my mind, Delfino brings so much more to the floor than Mo, that I can't for the life of me figure out why he doesn't get more minutes.

    This is mind blowing: Did you know that LB (who "doesn't like foreign players" & "doesn't trust young guys") played Carlos almost 5 more minutes per game than Flip is?

    One time, in the game chat, I was ranting about why Mo Evans was in there, and Delfino was sitting on the bench... and one of my fellow chatters said... "Relax Super, it's a team game."

    Well, you know what? It's not fricking little league! Not everyone gets a chance to play. Is Mo's dad sitting behind the bench yelling at Flip to play his kid?

    And where the heck is Delfino Senior? Carlos could really use him.
     
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    Delfino has actually outplayed Tayshaun a lot of the time, forget Mo. Evans and Delfino play different positions- there is room for both to get minutes. What I don't understand is how Tay keeps getting 40 minutes a night. He has been horrible lately to the point where it is laughable that anyone tried to vote him into the All-Star game.
     
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    i agree but he is 1 of the starting 6 and a vet. it seems like you can play like junk and still get your standard amount of minutes. delfino comes in and gives us a spark and still racks up the dnp's. then this bs of delk coming in and getting a pretty good amount of minutes just angers me. the pistons are a joke when it comes to playing young guys.

    evans gives all out hustle but just isn't as good as delfino simple as that. delfino hustle's too. plays better defense, creates his own shot and shots for others, he is also the only piston that can drive to the hole and finish. he should be eating tay's minutes away and taking mo's aways completely.
     
  4. TWOTIMESRALPHI

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    I don't see why Tayshaun is always rackin' up his 40 minutes, especially since we know how good his D is.
    Evans is underrated- he's very athletic and hitting his shots more consistent. Fino still needs to work on his shot.
    We have use for both of them, but it's time to decrease Prince's minutes.
     
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    I know a place you can go where they only play the young guys. Guys with tons of potential get lots of minutes... in college. March madness is here, baby! Pull up a chair, get some popcorn, and enjoy the youth. Leave the kid hatin', minute-hoardin, vetran loving old farts to wonder what happened to the Pistons. Meanwhile, you can enjoy fresh, young, athletic kids who are full of potential. And next year, there will be more.

    :nod:
     
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    Personally, I would prefer playing the best players available regardless of age. Delfino is at least the 7th best player on this team. Tayshaun is on a free fall down that list, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for the time being. Doesn't mean he should be playing 40 minutes a night though. That's just ridiculous.

    Delfino is a much better player than Evans, period. Flip is just playing favorites. Tayshaun should see about 32 minutes a night, Delfino should play the other 16 or so, and Evans should split Rip's backup minutes with Delk/Hunter.
     
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    Zat so? Well what has Evans done to become Flip's "favorite," pray tell? You sure it has NOTHING to do with PRACTICE? :spy:
     
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    They both play both pisitions. IE, Delfino played the 2 last night. They both play the 2 and the 3. And I have seen Mo come in for Tay...

    Which brings me to another point: Remember when we got Mo? To be the badly needed back-up for Tay?
     
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    Based on???
     
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    based on my eyeballs. :nod:
     
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    Well, everything I have heard about Carlos in practice is that he works very hard and puts in extra hours before and after working on shooting, etc. Flip knew Mo from his time in Minnesota, so naturally he is going to be more comfortable playing the players he is used to.

    And don't get me wrong. I like Mo as well. I think they should both play a decent amount of minutes, but I think Delfino's style of play is a better fit for this team. Evans just seems to find himself out of position on defense regularly.
     
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    I like both players and think both deserve minutes. I think both styles of play are a good fit for this team.

    I like the fact that Mo and Carlos are both high energy guys. They provide a great spark off the bench.

    Carlos reminds me of a poor mans Ginobili and Mo reminds me a lot of the Junk Yard Dog, Jerome Williams, just with more talent (and better teeth).
     
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    Well said... no reason they both can't play equal minutes... if one contributes more he deserve a greater share (as Mo has done recently when compared the last few games)... if Delfino comes on strong then he deserves the PT... what would be nice to see is Carlos break down the "D" and kick it out to Mo for the open 3... they need to work on complimenting each others styles.
     
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    Exactly. I don't think Flip is using these guys properly. Delfino should be handling the ball, driving the lane, and either scoring or kicking out to shooters. Right now Carlos is limited to being a spot up shooter with a guy like Lindsey handling the ball. When it should be the other way around. I just don't see why they can't run a few Delfino/Dice pick and rolls to get something headed toward the basket. :ohwell: This outside-in offense is killing me. Just once I'd like to see the bigs rolling to the basket instead of popping out for 20-25 footers.
     
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    Sounds about right...
    Most posters would agree that the inside game is lacking...
    As we know Laimbeer was an outside specialist... it was nice to see him pull out the bigs to open up the lanes for the guards to penetrate... eventually teams started putting small players on Laim on the perimiter.... that should be an automatic to take the defender down on the blocks (see Dirk the other day... he blew it).
    LB's concept was to always establish an inside game (or at least try)... but teams knew this and packed the paint... they knew that Larry wouldn't tolerate any outside shots early in the shot clock...
    So in comes Flip and says if it's there take it.... this still could work to our advantage if they start to work inside... because they now have to respect the perimiter.... in essence working outside in.... this sounds better than saying our bigs can only park it in the paint....

    The weak link is that teams will always have Ben's defender sag and help... the paint becomes a congested area to work with.... the answer is to establish more back picks and inside screens to free up Sheed etc.... along with more lobs to Ben and having him crash the boards when they go to help.

    Last year Ben was actually improving his mid range game (and post game)... this concept has been dropped whether it's good or bad.

    I'd be curious what posters think about Ben being a bigger part of the offense or is less better?
     
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    The operative word here is SCORING. I'm starting to get the feeling that every shot he makes is a lucky shot.

    I'm not gettin what LH has to do with Delfino being "limited" to spot up shooting. Might it have something to do with who's guarding him?
     
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    Yes, Evans often looks like he's on the verge of a mistake even when doing well. He makes positive plays. Plays you can count on.

    Delfino on the other hand LOOKS better (smoother, more confident) doing what he does. Problem with Carlos is the results ain't there. He has had some outstanding defensive moments along with many foul filled forgettable ones too. The idea of shifting Los to point (offensive end only) may be what keeps him in the rotation long enough to rediscover the art of shooting.

    But they better watch out for Delk. Tony has better skills than either and dosen't hesitate to use them.
     
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    Yep. The "We Don't Believe in Earning PT" crew is already upset that Delk got the call before Delfino. :tsk:
     
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    Well, they gotta have something to complain about till roster setting time.

    I think you once described our need for a bench player that didn't have to wait to get into the flow of a game, but could instantly become the flow of the game. I'm seing that kind of potential in TD.
     
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    You expect a guy to shoot a high percentage when he gets 2-3 shots per game, and maybe 1-2 of them jumpers? It just doesn't happen. Look around the league and tell my how many guards shoot a high percentage without at least 6-7 shot attempts per game? Shooting is all about rhythm. Unfortunately, in the little time the bench is on the floor, they don't get many touches on offense because the starters left on the floor seem to go into selfish mode a bit. Chauncey is the only guy that keeps some balance on the floor. He's not scared to pass the ball to a bench player.

    Because Lindsey handles the ball for the bench, and handling the ball (especially in traffic) is not his strongsuit. I still think he's a decent shooter, but he's best as a spot-up guy, not the playmaker. However, Delfino seems to look most effective handling the ball. He can dribble into traffic, and he can find the open man, or look to score. But the way Flip has things running is having Lindsey hold the ball the entire possession, thus limiting Delfino to something that isn't his forte (spot-up shooting). It's also forcing Lindsey to do something he isn't great at anymore (ball handling/playmaking), and keeping him away from what little role he can have in the offense (shooting). It just seem like when Lindsey is running the point that the ball rarely leaves his hand untill the final seconds because he's busy trying to not turn the ball over instead initiating the offense. You have to use players to their strengths, and that's not what's happening.

    I am still holding out hope that Delk could help that out though. He has looked good handling the ball in the limited time I've seen him, so maybe he just needs to learn the plays.
     

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