Draft 2012 Kander Effect

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    I've been thinking about this for a while now and its been slow so I figure I'd post this here and get some talk going.

    One of the cool things about following the Pistons is reading about Arnie Kander and what he sees physiologically in players and how he addresses them. That got me thinking about Jared Sullinger who is projected to be available in the 9-14 range and comes with serious concerns to front office staff and fans alike.

    Jared Sullinger is bona fide NBA talent. He is two time All American. He averaged 17.5 points and 9.3 rebounds this season. His mature skill set and strength allows him to be effective down low on both ends.

    The knock on him as a prospect is the lack of athleticism. Athleticism is a broad term and like with Greg Monroe, its inacurate. Monroe was athletic. He had balance, control, strength, power. He didn't have exceptional leaping ability. Sullinger isn't in the same boat but he isn't as bad as people make out. Primarily, this is because his strengths lie in his lower body.

    Athleticism or more concisely, explosiveness, is not black box mysticism. Its a combination of physiological mechanics and need to work together to maximise power and efficiency. Sullinger has several obvious aspects that is affecting that. Will Kander be able to fix it? I'm sure there's a mango extract out there to help Sully out!

    Factor 1: Weight. Sully started the season at 269 after a much publicised weight loss program. That's down from the 290 during his freshman year. He then put back 10 lbs. to 'be more effective' in the low post. This all about a guy who has learned to utilize his mass to accomplish his goals. That mass, though, will hinder his speed and explosiveness. Now, you don't just put back weight unless its bad weight. Muscle weight takes time. Sullinger needs to take a 265 baseline body and add 10 lbs of muscle to it. It needs to be balanced so he doesn't throw his back (or knees or feet) out. A big part of that is diet which, by all accounts, has been improved but needs to become a professional athlete's diet. All pro level trainers are accomplished at building core strength and power and Kander is one of the best. I wouldn't expect to see dramatic improvement until year 2.

    Factor 2: Balance. One leg is an inch longer than the other. I have a 70/30 split in the distribution of weight between my legs. This partially because my hip is off by 1/2 an inch. It's been noted that the leg thing is apparent in Sullinger's running gait. Back when Darko was a rookie with us, Kander talked about his weight distibution and how that inefficiency affects an athletes explosiveness. I believe that this is a major factor in Sullinger's lack of athleticism. It's also one of Kanders core building blocks; fancy that. Rip mentioned that alignment work and focus on balance helped him excel as a Piston. Put Sullinger on the balance board and see if alignment work on his body can't rectify the balance issue and then see where he is at athletically. This is probably not going show results under 2 years as well.

    Factor 3: Flexibility. Range of motion is a key factor in explosiveness. I don't have much to say about this other than it looks like Jared's got a lot of room for improvement and Kander focuses on this as well.

    If the Piston's staff doesn't see him passing the workout tests then so be it. But if they do select him. I think Arnie's got a lot of work to do but things are definitely correctable. Sullinger already has the motor, the winning attitude, and a solid work ethic to go along with a low post skill set, good footwork and an evolving jump shot. He may never be a 2 way dominator but with improvements to his body mechanics, he may develop into a fringe all-star candidate or at least a solid 16/8 guy.
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    I'll try to look at Henson and Leonard as well. Intruiged at what the staff could do to address their 'flaws' after draft day.
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    Arnie Kander walks into the workout room, takes a long look at his young prospect before he points to the wall while swinging his leg up and down says, "Let's see if you're a Piston, kid.".
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    I've read your opening post and you seem so intelligent on the matters of Arnie Kander. I cannot effectively take part in this blog...except to post the occasional joke...........

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    Arnie: "This guy has All-Star caliber until we get up to this level right here.....the heart."
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    One thing Sullinger should do if he gets drafted by the Pistons, is to make sure he puts the long leg up on the wall when Arnie does that test.
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    Very insightful post Slip.
    This poses a classic draft question: Do you take a player with "basketball ability" over a player with "athletic ability"? (or vice versa)
    Which ability is easier to improve?
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    Why is Darko wearing 2 pairs of shorts and straining under 2.5 lb senior mall weights?
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    One pair is for his enormous potential...
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    My eyes! :darkoalert:

    Seriously though, I'd be interested to see what Sullinger and everyone else's stock look like after the combine. Got a feeling some GM will reach for "potential" like they do every year.
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    Arnie is one of the few dudes that I know that can rock the 'stash & fanny pack and somehow pull it off.
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    Rumor has it that he gave Tay that famous piece of luggage for Christmas because it puts less strain on his #4 and #5 lumbar vertebrate.

    Now the fanny pack is designed to hold 3 frozen bananas.......
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    Sheed always wore his training shorts under his game shorts. Maybe he was trying to copy him?
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    I rather take Henson over Sullinger. We really need an athlethic guy.

    What kind of test is that?
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    do you have any material on that? I have a feeling that I suffer from the same hip problem!
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    Go to a Chiropractor. They can take an x-ray and determine a course of action. I wear a 5mm lift in my left shoe as my leg was shorter. Does wonders for comfort.
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    It goes back to when Jonas first came to the Pistons. Arnie tested him for athleticism and Jonas scored particularly well on a test to see how far he could put his leg up a wall. The details are cloudy and it has become a recurring forum joke when new hires are discussed.
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    Like Nemo said, a chiropractor should have 2 scales side by side to get the weight distribution and also an xray. Most times they can see it without machines. there are other things as well that are harder to get advice on: some of it has to do with core strength and posture. Tai chi and qi gong can help with the stabilizer muscles and your posture. Also, some muscles shorten and other muscles compensate if you do a lot of sitting or even focus on developing muscles out of proportion of the other.

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