Draft Picks / Free Agents / Trades; Let's talk targets

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  1. KGREG

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    Burke is the best PG in this draft, and why should he stay in school? His game isn't the problem, if he was 2 or 3 inches taller he'd be the #1 pick in the draft....and he ain't growing anymore. He's also 10x's the PG that Brandon Knight is or ever will be. It's obvious that you all don't watch much college ball, because if you did....you'd know that Siva isn't anywhere close to being in Burke's league, Siva is a 4th year senior with a broke jump shot, Burke can pull up from NBA range on a pick roll like Chauncey used to do. The only issue with the guy is his height, but I promise you that you're not going to draft a better player in THIS draft, maybe one as good but certainly not better.
     
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    It's the ball-hog Imgonnagetmine attitude I was referring to. Don't take me too seriously though as I'm really going with a tiny sample size (NCAA tourney).
     
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    Tell that to Tony Mitchell, who went from probable lottery pick to possible first rounder. (Tony Mitchell's sophomore season probably hurt more than it helped - CBSSports.com)

    This notion that college is a skill development camp that unequivocally benefits a player is disingenuous. College coaches bring players in to win games largely within the confides (or constraints if you watch a lot of these teams) of their systems. A large majority of them aren't there to prep their guys for the pros. That experience of being one of the 2 best players on your team and playing in high pressure situations can definitely benefit a player. And college may be a more lax environment to develop skill in. But how can being paid to develop those skills professionally against the highest level of competition be looked upon as a negative? Plus, differing rules between college and the pros restrict some players. For example, isolation ball is harder in college because of zone defenses and offenses not having 5 players on the court who can make you pay for sagging off of them. Playing in the restrictive nature of college ball isn't always the best for player exhibiting some pro-level skill.

    People seem to make this weird conflation between NBA readiness to NBA potential. Whether or not a player should jump to the pros is an extremely complex issue that should be taken on a case-by-case basis. But speaking strictly in terms of draft stock there are definite benefits to striking "while the iron is hot", especially when projected as a lottery prospect. Lottery draftees have more invested in them (money, prestige, etc) in turn giving the team more incentive to provide a constructive developmental environment which can lead to a better career for said player. At least more opportunities. Come back and you are at the risk of being picked apart for not improving enough. There are times where that can get you to fall to a quality organization, but a majority of the playesr aren't so lucky. If you look at the 2nd contracts of lottery players compared to non-lottery players who share relatively the same skill level, you'll notice that the lottery players receive longer and more lucrative contracts. Conformation bias can be powerful.

    All of that rambling aside, the lack of strength of the upcoming draft class makes that choice interesting for a lot of players. Mitch McGary's draft stock will probably never be higher. He wasn't even on the radar before his tournament explosion playing on a team with at least 4 other NBA players. He could easily get exposed next year. He isn't like a Trey Burke who has absolutely nothing left to prove on the collegiate level. Burke won't prove he can finish in the paint against NBA big men playing a January game against Nebraska. If they choose to stay (Burke is GONE but that ruins the point), more power to them! But that can be one dangerous game of chicken.
     
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    I look at it like this - the purpose of college for everyone else in the world is to get a job. Nobody here would keep working at 60 hours a week at an unpaid internship for another year when they could be making millions by quitting school early.

    If you're better than all the other 7th graders, you play 8th grade ball. When you're better than all the freshmen, you join the JV. When you are better than everyone else on the JV, you go to varsity, and when you are better than everyone else in college, you go to the pros. You don't improve by playing against people that are, at best, your equal; that's when you become complacent and plateau. You have to keep challenging yourself.
     
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    It's not a definitive list and probably a little off because of the necessity of position balance, but when we were drafting our Board Mock Draft, we had 8 of this year's NBA All Stars (James, Bryant, Duncan, Paul, Howard, Durant, Garnett, and Wade) taken in the top 50, and they all went in the top 30.

    In addition, we had three other current players (Nash, Kidd, and Nowitzki) in the top 50.

    Again, it's not definitive, but 15 of the players in the top 50 of career PER are still playing (James, Wade, Paul, Duncan, Durant, Nowitzki, Bryant, Garnett, Stoudemire, Howard, Gasol, Ginobli, Brand, Bosh, and Anthony).

    Again, not a definitive list, but I would say that having somewhere between 20-30% of the greatest players of all time currently playing is pretty good, myself.
     
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    I thought Duncan was already IN the top 50...the rest of the players you mentioned all have at least 10 years expirience...I should h2ave clarified that i meant within the last 10 years...sorry...Also. ELTON BRAND????lol
     
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    It would be nice to have a PG that can shoot AND dribble. On the Burke wagon
     
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    Not even close. Will was a HUGE ball hog at Arizona AND Georgia Tech. BUT, with that being said, Burke can do everything Will can do AND shoot......AND run an offense. Now if Will had a dependable (and dare I say lethal) jumper he'd be a real force, Trey can flat out shoot and competes HARD, that kid can and will feed Andre for years to come if you pair them up together.
     
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    I have been on the Burke bandwagon since last season and figured Joe would never consider him or any local talent because of the Mateen factor.

    Agree he would be an upgrade over Will and Knight at the point...maybe not right away, but before the season is over. With the guy at Indiana being bigger and a little more athletic, it would be interesting to see if both were available, who would Joe pick? Or would Gores step in a dictate taking Burke to boost attendance?
     
  10. MARK MADSEN!

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    I wouldn't be mad at Burke.

    But getting crapped on by every 3 that walks into our building is a more pressing need. Having that hole in the middle of our lineup for 48 minutes per game weakens both front and back courts.
     
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    I stilll think we take Oladipo. We are getting torched on both wings.

    Honestly, I think we chase wing players in free agency, not in the draft. No one in this draft screams instant NBA 3 to me.

    I suppose the other option is get a 3 with our pick and then pick up an OJ Mayo/3pt specialist in FA. But honestly, I think we take Oladipo with the 5th or 6th pick. Burke and Smart get reached on.

    Happy to do a gentlemans agreement on it.
     
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    There is always room to find serviceable guards, such as Jack and JR in Free Agency. The three has become such a weird and versatile position that it really just commands that the guy be athletic enough to hold his own with 2s, 3s, and sometimes 4s. I don't have the FA list handy, but I'm not too keen on the bigger wing players set to hit the market.

    Oladipo apparently still has a budding offensive game and if he can space the floor on an NBA level then I'm all for it. He is a gym rat (as is Shabazz, albeit he has his own separate issues) and him along with Knight would be a real no-nonsense tandem. As for the sixth man go get JR!

    I say we let Cuban overpay for Mayo, but I think his size and athleticism makes him more of a prototypical 2.
     
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    I think it is more a case eliminating one problem at a time.

    We need to improve our defense first. It is much easier to pick up defensive specialists at a good price, than offensive ones.

    Mayo is going to want an 8-10m a year deal minimum. If we could lock him up at +4.5% 4yrs starting at 8.5ish that would be a good signing. But then we don't draft Oladipo.

    I reckon the optimum outcome is draft Oladipo, sign Iguadola 4yrs-12m, sign JR Smith 3 years - 6 million.
     
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    I have to say, I'm also in the "trade the pick + someone else for something better" bandwagon.
     
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    Bynum with a J would be very fun to watch.
     
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    Oladipo is an undersized SG with no handle or jumper, defensively he's an upgrade over Brandon but a clear downgrade offensively and that's scary when you consider how awful Brandon is offensively. As far as SF......sorry guys, that player just isn't out there this year- maybe Otto Porter. I just think we need a player who we can put the ball in their hands immediately. McClemore and Porter aren't aggressive on the offensive end, well......Porter might be if you get him out from under JT3.
     
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    BPA...


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    Wonder if he is quick enough to be an Iverson or Isiah Thomas type of player. He certainly has the tough mentality for it.
     
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    Nice summation.
     
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    No. But he has a great handle, hesitation dribble and mid range pull up to make up for it.
     

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