the problem is that trading rip and tay in the gods sake of trading them - well, let's say somebody offers mediocre talance for either rip and tay - but what is the point of it from Pistons perspective? This team already has lesser talent in its roster. Or sombody offers expiring contracts - cmon, tay is expiring anyway and rip's expiration is not so far Also - I suggest to follow FA market now - many sign and trades happened and trade exceptions became hot commodity. for instance, tay may expire w/o trade and it gives a chance for JoeD for s&t. and a chance to get trade exceptions. Ditto with rip. tay and rip are valuable assets for contenders. I'm preferring contenders begging for them at the trade deadline instead of JoeD desperately offering them now.