ESPN: Chauncey Billups, the disposable superstar

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  1. TaS

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    Lebron is one year older this year as well.
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    My overall point is that isn't too bad. It's a percentage game and not many teams get to the point where they have MJ-Bulls type of dominance.[Quote Max]
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    Many wanted the core gutted after the 05-06 season. They'll probably get their wish as Rip, Tay and Sheed are removed.
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    I think it's too difficult to start from scratch to get beyond the first round by removeing solid pieces. Players like CB fall into your lap once a decade. Even if they lost 4 straight in this years ECF, that would be better than the 4 straight loses in round one this year.
    ...The Wings kept Yserman for 20 years. Even old and beatup they knew he wasn't replaceable.
    ...I think the team is in big trouble now.
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    ...actually, THAT was the point that I was using as the basis of MY argument (past 3 years actually - post Ben Wallace). Since the 2006 playoffs, the Pistons haven't proven that they have what it takes to win the East. If anything, they've regressed while their EC competition has got stronger. I feel coaching (Flip, MC) and the lack of (Joe's) ability to add pieces to the "core" had something to do with it but that group had gone as far as they are gonna go. Year after year - same result.

    The "core" had run its' coarse.

    ...onward and upward with 20mil in cap space for Joe to go shopping.
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    The whole wasn't rotten though.
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    What good would 4 losses in the ECFs be?
    At least with the way things are, we're one year ahead of where we would be in rebuilding this team.

    You're right, the "old" Pistons are in trouble.

    The future is bright for the "new" Pistons. - (once they get a coach in place)
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    Not with Curry at the helm. Stuck is lost. Sheed is Sheed. Rip could bust out crying at any moment. Tay is a weak link past round 2.
    But with CB they had a chance.
    Joes opinion is to start over. I can't even see the light at the end of the tunnel.
    Please help me. I'm about to start ballin'.
    Go Wings Tigers and Lions.
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    Any combination of the players that you had mentioned in your post will likely not be back next year. Time to move on to the new school Thee!

    Are you REALLY gonna back the Lions over the Pistons? ...Really???
    I like you and hate to see you punish yourself like that.

    ...Let go of the old.
    ...Embrace the new.

    ...and for (Rodney) pete sakes, give up on the Lions until WCF sells the team to someone who cares about you.
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    We were always IMO one player short of making it into the finals. We got there in 2005 after literally swapping Dyess for Memo and Corliss. LB used 7 players that year with Dice and Hunter playing almost every game and Arroyo, Dupree and Ham doing the other fill in work.

    During the Flip years the core was starting to show their age and that is when Joe refused to bring in any first tier scrubs that may have made an impact like Grant Hill, Chris Wilcox, Earl Boykins, Bonzi Wells, James Posey etc. Instead he brought in Tony Delk, Mo Evans, Jarvis Hayes, Flip Murray, Walter Hermman, Kwame Brown, Juan Dixon and a broken down Chris Webber.

    Those players helped win games during the regular season but even Flip didn't trust them enough to play them when it counted so we trotted out an injured Billups and Sheed and a frustrated Ben and put Tay on the opposing teams premier player which kind of neutralized his offense...and we proceeded to run out of gas in game six of the ECF three years in a row. . . . . .
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    Also, take a guy like Flip Murray. He had a great year this year. With consistent minutes off of our bench, it is likely that he would have been much more productive. Also, Mo Evans and others.

    I just really don't think we successfully utilized our bench during all those years of ECF flameouts. We strived for reg season wins and got them. We didn't do much those years to prepare for the different style of bball required to get over the hump.

    On the other hand, LB was a specialist in that and it showed.
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    T-Dat! Well spoken.
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    I couldn't agree more. Until we lost LB anyways. We needed two guys to overcome Flip. Now we need the whole All Star team to overcome Curry. I doubt if Curry will last till January.
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    The core mare have run its course, but you don't scrap the best pg you're franchise has seen in 20 years. When Boston dumped its core, it still kept Pierce. If Joe rebuilds around Rip, Tay, or Stuckey, it would have been like Boston rebuilding around Fatoine.
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    How can we assume that the future is bright. We still must get good players. Find a competent coach, and hope that Joe selects the right players in draft and free agency. All of this MUST mesh as well. Really, we're no closer to excellence than the New York Knickerbockers.........
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    Boy thats a smack in the face.
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    And considering the sad state of the rest of this roster, it just might be true.

    edited to add;

    Actually i take that back; at least Curry pretends we are trying to play defense as opposed to D'antoni who just says go go go, etc.
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    Funny :pound:and sad but true :(
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    Sacrilege, Blastfammer, Heretic
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    I wonder if/how much fall-out there will be for Piston's management in terms of other player's opinions/FA's. They are who gets hurt the most IMO in this article.
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    That's the thing 16. I don't expect Joe to rebuild around Rip, Tay or Stuck. I expect Joe to rebuild around whoever he brings in via free agent signings and/or trades. -And trading Chauncey for a butt-load of cap space has given Joe the ability to do that.

    At best, Rip, Tay and Rodney are complimentary players and I gotta believe that Joe clearly sees that.

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