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  1. TaS

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    Austin Daye has logged 47 minutes of playing time in the last 5 games- before tonight's game:

    39 points (11-17 from deep), 10 boards, 4 assists, 2 steals, 3 blocks, and 1 tov in essential 1 full game's worth of action.
    He is +38 during this stretch.


    Curious to see whether he sniffs the court at all in the post season if he keeps this up.
     
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    If the Spurs end up playing the Heat again in this year's finals, Daye will do 'what Ray Allen did to the Spurs in 2013' on the Heat this time.
     
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    In case you remember, I've made a one-sided agreement with Lee (he hasn't responded) around the time Toronto dumped Rudy Gay. Here's the relevant portion from that post:
    Since then, I've been monitoring Daye's production. Rudy Gay trade didn't do squat for him, but being traded to Spurs has.

    Austin Daye since the Rudy Gay trade:

    12/8/2013 vs Lakers: DNP-CD
    12/10/2013 vs Spurs: 4pts (.200 FG%, .000 3FG %, .667 FT%), 1reb, 1ast, in 14 minutes
    12/13/2013 vs Sixers: In street clothes
    12/14/2013 @ Bulls: 0, 0, 0... 0 in 1 minute of action
    12/18/2013 vs Bobcats: In street clothes
    12/20/2013 @ Mavericks: In street clothes
    12/22/2013 @ Thunder: In street clothes
    12/23/2013 @ Spurs: DNP-CD
    12/27/2013 @ Knicks: In street clothes
    12/28/2013 vs Knicks: In street clothes
    12/31/2013 @ Bulls: In street clothes
    1/1/2014 vs Pacers: DNP-CD
    1/3/2014 @ Wizards: DNP-CD
    1/5/2014 @ Heat: DNP-CD
    1/7/2014 @ Pacers: DNP-CD
    1/8/2014 vs Pistons: DNP-CD
    1/11/2014 vs Nets: DNP-CD
    1/13/2014 vs Bucks: 2pts (1.000 FG%), 2 reb in 3 minutes
    1/15/2014 @ Celtics: In street clothes
    1/17/2014 vs Wolves: In street clothes
    1/19/2014 vs Lakers: DNP-CD
    1/20/2014 @ Bobcats: DNP-CD
    1/22/2014 vs Mavericks: DNP-CD
    1/24/2014 @ Sixers: DNP-CD
    1/25/2014 vs Clippers: DNP-CD
    1/27/2014 @ Nets: DNP-CD
    1/29/2014 vs Magic: DNP-CD
    1/31/2014 @ Nuggets: DNP-CD
    2/1/2014 @ Blazers: DNP-CD
    2/3/2014 @ Jazz: In street clothes
    2/5/2014 @ Kings: DNP-CD
    2/7/2014 @ Clippers: DNP-CD
    2/10/2014 vs Pelicans: DNP-CD
    2/12/2014 vs Hawks: 0, 0, 0... 0 in 2:33 minutes
    2/18/2014 @ Wizards: In street clothes
    2/19/2014 vs Bulls: In street clothes

    TRADED TO SPURS
    2/21/2014 @ Suns: NWT due to trade
    2/26/2014 vs Pistons: 0, 0, 0... 0 in 1:36 minutes
    2/28/2014 vs Bobcats: DNP-CD
    3/2/2014 vs Mavericks: In street clothes
    3/4/2014 @ Cavs: In street clothes
    3/6/2014 vs Heat: 6 pts (1.000 FG%, 1.000 3FG%), 1reb, 1ast, in 1:44 minutes
    3/8/2014 vs Magic: In street clothes
    3/11/2014 @ Bulls: In street clothes
    3/12/2014 vs Blazers: In street clothes
    3/14/2014 vs Lakers: In street clothes
    3/16/2014 vs Jazz: In street clothes
    3/19/2014 @ Lakers: In street clothes
    3/21/2014 @ Kings: In street clothes
    3/22/2014 @ Warriors: 0 pts (.000 FG%), 1ast, 1blk in 3:36 minutes
    3/24/2014 vs Sixers: 22 pts (.615 FG%, .600 3FG%), 6reb, 1ast, 2stl, 2blk in 28:34 minutes
    3/26/2014 vs Nuggets: 0 pts (.000 FG%, .000 3FG%), 1reb in 2 minutes
    3/28/2014 @ Nuggets: 11 pts (.571 FG%, .750 3FG%), 2reb, 1ast in 11 minutes
    3/29/2014 vs Pelicans: 0 pts (.000 FG%, .000 3FG%), 2reb in 17 minutes
    3/31/2014 @ Pacers: 0 pts (.000 FG%), 1 reb in 4 minutes
    4/2/2014 vs Warriors: DNP-CD
    4/3/2014 @ Thunder: DND-Injured

    Anyways, he has played a grand total of 12 games since the Rudy Gay trade. My wager was 1.0 3pointers per game and 8ppg. For those two stats, here's where he's at:

    GAMES: 12
    3Pointers: 11
    Pts: 45
    3ppg: 0.9
    ppg: 3.75

    At this point, I'm pretty safe from donning an Austin Daye avatar for a year. But that 3 pointer per game thing is close! Just to make this interesting, I'll agree to an Austin Daye avatar for 3 months if Daye finishes the season averaging 1.0 3 pointers. For that to happen, Daye needs to score 1 more 3 pointer than the games he plays. There are 6 games left for SAS. If he plays in 4, he needs to make a total 5 three pointers for instance. If Lee doesn't take me up on it, then anybody else on the forum can suggest an Austin Daye avatar.
     
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    Do playoffs count?
     
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    Sure, why not.
     
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    Remember him?
    HE came back here to play his final season and maybe play for Argentina in the FIBA World Cup.

     
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    Walterr delivered quite a few presents in the paint.
     
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    Dirk stopper.
     
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    I always liked Walter Hermann.

    It just struck me how ironic it is that in (relatively more) socialist Europe, sporting events are covered in more advertising than those held in North America.
     
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    And certainly no socialism in sporting rules. No drafts, no salary caps, the best teams get gazillions in prize money to purchase more stars and the worst teams are kicked out of the league. And then we have the huge differences in advertising income, tv money etc.
     
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    Interesting.

    Also in the clip the crowd occasionally breaks into song.
     
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    Yeah, just very weird and non-obvious (at least to me it was).

    Tbh, I like the Euro/Int'l way much better. North American sport feels like it's played in a fishbowl sometimes.

    From what I have seen in cricket, rugby, soccer etc, that's a very international thing. For some reason, we don't do it in North America.
     
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    Chants are very common in Europe. One of the funnier I remember is after Glasgow Celtics goalkeeper Andy Goram had been diagnosed with schizofrenia the crowd kept chanting "two Andy Gorams, there is only two Andy Gorams" during games.
     
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    Well, the video of Walter Herrmann is in Argentina. Europe have better arenas, bigger and more beautiful.
    But what you are saying about Europe is true, regardless the video.

    But I like NBA better. Seriously.

    Yes, the worse teams "goes down" to the inferior league and the top teams of that "inferior" league goes up to the first league (Like Soccer).
    There is no draft.

    But is that good??

    If the draft doesn't exist in the NBA, the only thing to lure players to come and play to your team are the same things that are in play while free agency signing. Things like:

    - Location (Kid's would like to go and play to bigger cities, Miami, L.A., New York)
    - Money
    - Your current roster.

    In European soccer, the better teams continues to get better and better and better. And the medium to bad teams are stuck there, with no real chance to get better, because all the youngs and promising stars want to go and play in the big teams, not to the medium to crappy teams.

    Then there is the thing about salary cap. I LOVE salary cap in the NBA. Comparing it to soccer, you don't have a cap, so If your owner is very rich and want to invest on the team, you get more money and you can go and spend 400 million in roster. While if you are fan of a team who doesn't have big money, you can't get players.

    Coming from a where I'm from, where soccer is the #1,#2 and #3 sport, I know this and more.

    When you have a salary cap, you are in the same condition than other teams, economically speaking. (I know, teams are over the salary cap, but they found really hard making trades if they need to, etc.)

    Going back to the draft: That system allows you to get a young promising player in your team at least for 2, 3 maybe 4 years and trying to convince him to stay, etc. Maybe even get to build around him and lure other players to come to your team, even if it's not an atractive city, to try and win some championships.

    Remember Ricky Rubio and Minnesota, the years he took to come here and play. There was so much rumors about how he didn't like the city back then, etc.

    I'm not saying the draft system is perfect, but allows you to have some revenue in the teams competing for a championship. Insted of that, in soccer, just for example, the England team "Chelsea" is always competing, Barcelona, Real Madrid is always competing. (I know there are teams in the NBA that are always competing too, at least the past few decades, like San Antonio, but thats some unique thing and it is because Popovich is one of the best I've seen. But if you look at Miami, a few years back they were one of the worse teams. Look at the Clippers now and back then, look at the Pistons now and back then. Look at almost every team... I love this, I love that every team every decade, if the GM does the things right, they have a chance (not saying PERFECT, just right, if he doesn't commit many mistakes))

    And about the sponsors. COME ON! the hardwood in the NBA is a thing of beauty!! Every friend that I have here in Argentina and playing for small "clubs", minor regional leagues like I play too, we all hate going to a club and see the floor all painted with sponsors, you get some kind of dizzy playing there, it's awful.
     
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    I like both systems. I couldn't care less about competitive balance but I enjoy the excitement of the draft and all the aspects of building a roster with limited cap space and the millions of rules that follow. From the european way of doing it I enjoy the stakes. If your team underperforms it might get relegated, almost go bankrupt and go into a dark spiral where your team all of a sudden went from the top league to the third league in a couple of seasons. I also really enjoy that you can build on progress. You don't get punished for getting those extra wins in the end of the season. That might be what gets you into some lucrative European competition which means more money and more attraction so you can buy better players. Or just gets you away from the absolute bottom and makes your club seem more attractive for players to join. The step by step method, improving a bit every year, being rewarded for this and building on it. Ofcourse, it's devastating when the spiral is going the other way. I also like the dynasties.

    Not sure which one I prefer.
     
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    Austin Daye watch
    Here's the additional stats since my last post:

    4/6/2014 vs Grizzlies: 2 pts (.167 FG%, .000 3FG%), 3reb in 5:51 minutes
    4/10/2014 @ Mavericks: 0 pts in 0:32 minutes
    4/11/2014 vs Suns: 2 pts (.143 FG%, .000 3FG%), 1reb, 1ast, 2stl, 1blk in about 14 minutes
    4/14/2014 @ Rockets: 0 pts (.000 FG%, .000 3FG%), 1reb in 5:39 minutes
    4/16/2014 vs Lakers: 13 pts (.667 FG%, .500 3FG%), 2reb in 14:10 minutes

    As far as the wager goes:
    GAMES: 17
    3Pointers: 12
    Pts: 62
    3ppg: 0.7
    ppg: 3.65

    He needs to step it up in the playoffs (if he plays) and rain threes.

    For the record, I thought this would be a fun thing to do in an otherwise dismal season. But keeping track of this kid is depressing.
     
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    Hard to rain 3's when you only get 8 minutes per game and have Pop breathing down your neck.
     
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    Well, this whole thing started because I was going back and forth with Lee, who claimed that Daye was a great shooter and just wasn't put in a position to succeed, and that the departure of Rudy Gay would allow him to show his skills. After tracking this kid closely for the better part of a year, it really is clear that he's just a mediocre, end-of-the bench dude who might have a memorable game once or twice a season. He just isn't good enough to be a regular rotation player in this league.
     
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    I bet he sinks them all in warm-ups.
     
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    I'm listening to the 94 WIP Philadelphia station. Right now they are talking about the Detroit bad boys. They are giving me goosebumps Heaping praise on Isaiah Laimbeer and Mahorn. Talking about how they schooled Jordan and that nobody complained when the Celtics walked off on the pistons but how Jordan did a big deal about it when it happened to him. They've already talked for three segments about them and are taking calls now. One of the sportscasters is Ike Reese who used to play for Michigan State. Anyhow, it's pretty great and makes you feel proud that you were part of it even though you were just sitting in the stands. I love that team!!!!
     

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