Flip saunders on John Thompson Show *AUDIO*

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  1. Slippy

    Slippy All-Star Administrator Forum Donor

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    As much as I dislike flip, I don't think it was necessarily the wrong side. Big ben would be the centerpiece of a defensive minded team but if he's going to decline as rapidly as some people anticipate AND we are going to see rules changes that negate defensive effort, the flip path may be the lesser of two evils.
     
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    No argument from me. Like I said, I'm no Flip supporter.

    If he still sucks after a month or two, then I'm not against a mid season coaching change. But I think he (or anyone in the same position) deserves at least part of this season to prove that he has learned from his mistakes.

    Personally, I'm not so sure that he has. But I'm willing to give him a very small opportunity to prove me wrong.
     
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    That's a big if.
     
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    Thank You... sure sounds better than some of the drama out there.
     
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    Just IMO, but I don't think the rules changes are a justification for changing the focus of the team. This isn't the first time a sports league has changed the rules in order to create more offensive excitement, yet still, defense remains the best route to a ring.
     
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    :amen:
     
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    Me too, you're right on.

    Just ask the Heat who played intense, intimidating, knock shots back in your face kind of defense and shut down two pretty good offensive teams in the ECF and Finals. Yeah, maybe they got some help on the offensive end with a lot of foul calls, but they won because they took away easy baskets.
     
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    Too many forget this.
     
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    Flip did make a good point about making Shaq work on defense... all he did was clog the paint on defense... we'll see if Nazr can draw him out and make him use his feet.
     
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    That certainly makes sense from a tactical standpoint. But for Flip to say that it must be done in order to beat Shaq is pretty stupid -- the Pistons did it two years in a row with Ben. From what he's said publicly, Flip is mistaking his way for the only way, when that's obviously not the case.
     
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    flipis stubborn which is his glaring fault.
     
  12. mercury

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    So are the haters :wink:
     
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    It seems like this Flip failure is gonna stay...
    I'm not sure how many folks hit their new job making a sudden impact... is it even possible that Flip needs some time to make necessary adjustments?
    Did he make a mistake on Delfino vs. Mo?... if he did it wasn't a major one.

    Darko not playing enough... well that's a can of worms... I wanted him to be given a chance to show something also... what we don't know is if he tanked it to force a trade... there could be a stong case made for this based on his lack of effort.

    Did he not play Ben the way that Ben should have been?... hmm tough call... how should Ben have been played exactly?

    Lack of defense?... proof of failure vs previous years?

    It must be the offense... ummm yeah ok

    Sure enough Flip made mistakes... (good thing other coaches don't)

    Why are we ready to say he should be fired after one year?... it seems to be unfair to not give him a chance to redeem whatever evils that he has done...
    I'd like to trade in my 16 year old son sometimes but forgiving is in the blood.

    Is there no chance that the players contributed to not making the finals?... naw how could that be.

    Man o man this gets my craw.
     
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    merc, instead of a laundry list of complaints against flip and a wait and see, why not post what he did well?
     
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    Flip got us a lot of open looks, and made Rip a more efficient scorer.
     
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    That's a good start, Roscoe
     
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    • He implemented an offense that created better spacing... by allowing the team to utilize the perimiter it forced teams leave the paint for more room for the cutters (Flip, Tay, Rip).
    • His offense includes several stagger screens that gives better looks at the basket and free lanes.
    • It wasn't the Flip media show (less distractions)
    • The points differential improved from the prior years.
    • 64 wins in his first year with a new team (easily could have been 67 if not primarily using the bench the last few games)
    • Treated the team with respect instead of berating them in the media
    • Chauncey became an MVP candidate by being allowed to use his full game without guilt.
    • Rip became a perimiter threat (best 3 pt shooter in the league)
    I could also list the negatives but that wasn't asked for.
     
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    One more positive. He gave Sidney Lowe and Don Zierden the opportunity to become bonafide Detroit Pistons Hallway Coaches joining such luminaries as Kevin O'Neill, Mike Woodson, and Garfield Heard.
     
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    I've seen several jokes about the "hallway coaches" over the last few months, but somehow I missed where it originated. I don't get it. Can somebody fill me in on what a "hallway" coach is? I'm guessing it's someone who does nothing...but why a "hallway" coach?
     
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    I believe it's the guy who does the hallway interviews at the end of halftime on the local broadcasts. You know...

    "Unless we stop them in the second half we're not going to win."

    "If we execute the gameplan we won't have any problems."

    "We have to rebound better."

    No need to be a phrasemaker, but the ability to toss the same stock ten answers out in different orders so that it always sounds fresh is a fine art.
     

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