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  1. Lee356

    Lee356 All-Star

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    By your question, I assume you missed the game.
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    Players are poor players if they add nothing to your team. And they do not belong in the NBA if they make both your offense and defense worse if they are on the floor. Singler falls into the latter category.

    Smith. The other team spends plenty of time worrying about how to stop him from getting inside and scoring. In contrast, they pay scant attention to Singler. Do you disagree? Do you really think the other team spends much time and energy to prevent Singler from scoring inside. Ask the same question for Drums vs. Singler. Do you believe the other team spends more time worrying about how to keep Drums off the glass, or do they spend more time worrying about Singler getting inside and scoring on them. All such questions have the same answer, they ignore Singler, giving them an extra player to guard our other 4.

    Singler is making his outside shots, but that is only meaning the other team occasionall shadows him, still keeping the player primarily inside. Now, if Singler could actually shoot over people, they would have to play up on him, and then he would actually be spacing the floor.
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    That wasn't a question. Are you claiming that Singler played SG all game?
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    I don't see how anyone can credibly claim to know what the opposing team is talking about in practice and during the games.

    No, it's meaningful if they sag off him and he makes the shots (makes them pay). It's irrelevant if he spaces the floor if he's making shots when wide open.
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    Over the past month, here's how Kyle Singler ranks on the team among players who averaged more than 10 minutes a game:
    5th in FG% (the only wing player shooting better than him is Bynum)
    2nd in FT% (behind Stuckey)
    2nd in 3Ps made (behind Jennings)
    5th in Pts (behind the other 4 current starters)

    So, among our current starters, he is :
    - the wing player with the highest FG%
    - best FT shooter
    - 2nd best 3pt threat

    The other 4 are bigger threats than him for sure. But he is currently the best shooter Detroit has on the floor when the game starts. Every team must cover the other team's best shooter, even if that said shooter is a blind, 3' tall midget who is missing an arm. When you're in a fight, and the other guy pulls out a small pocket knife, you don't simply ignore it because that knife does not belong in a proper fight.

    Really, the defensive scheme for the other team is easy. Pack the paint and keep an eye on Singler. Then just let Jennings and Smith bomb the game away.

    Also, over the past month, the no-defense Singler is:
    4th in Rebounds
    1st in Steals
    4th in Blocks (almost has as many blocks as Moose)

    Singler is the least of our problems. Just get off it already.
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    if yall have the ridicously audacity to think spending 15 seconds talking about Kyle Singler is the reason why this team is the most underachieving team in NBA 2014, you know nothing about nada..


    release the hunds!!!!!!
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  8. Lee356

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    He does not make them pay. He lets the shortest guard on the other team run him off the 3 point line rather than shoot the ball. Far too little defensive attention is paid to Singler. This last game vs. GS was the most attention seen paid to him of the last several. Still was not much. When Dallas beat us, all they did for the fist half is have Calderon keep about half an eye on him, and Singler got us one made triple for that half.

    Also, it should be obvious to anyone that if we are starting a taller guy at shooting guard, we should be posting him up against shorter guards. We do almost none of this. Maybe you want to blame the coach. Go ahead. Me, I doubt Singler has the skill. I doubt he has the size. I doubt he has the ups. To take advantage of shorter players in the post.
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    Posting up our shooting guard with Smith, Monroe, and Drummond clogging the paint and Jennings the lone threat on the perimeter?

    Singler already gets 36% of his shots in the paint. 36/64 is a pretty nice ratio, especially given our need to spread the floor. Smith is 40/60 for comparison.

    If anything, the coaches need to find ways to get Singler way more attempts. That is something that I'm sure we can all agree on (excluding people in the tanking camp).
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    You could also simply not play Singler, and be way ahead. Getting rid of one of our two worst defensive liabilities can not hurt us too bad. Getting rid of Singler, and Bynum, would do wonders for our D.

    Someone mentioned Singler can not post up because of who plays with him. As he plays the entire game, who plays with him keeps changing. But hey, if you think we lack the players to let Singler ever post up, heck, just another good reason not to play Singler. Again, if we are going to give up all that footspeed by letting Singler on the floor, we sure had better get something out of his height. If not, he should not be playing.
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    He's probably our best outside shooter. He does make them pay.

    You completely disregarded my argument, which showed your position to be incorrect. If he is making any outside shots when left open (because you complain he doesn't draw attention) then he's being successful.

    He is making them pay for leaving him open.

    You might have an argument if he was a bad shooter. But he is not.

    Sorry Lee, every way you turn on this Singler thing, it doesn't jive. You can come at people for not watching the games, or not watching the games as many times as you, but it's not helping you make your case.
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    We can't even get our bigs to post up. Why would we worry about posting Singler?
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    No, he does not make them pay. Instead, when the ball is passed to him, a short guard runs out at him and he passes the ball. If left totally, completely unguarded, yes, he does make them pay. But its a rather rare thing that they leave him that open. Generally, the guy watching him still has plenty of time to boost the interior D for their team. In this last game, he scored 14 in the first half. He did in the 2nd half make them play him just a bit more honest. But we still lost. Its not working. His 4 points in the 2nd half was not enough considering how little extra effort they put toward watching him. That is too much extra defensive attention Singler is not drawing away from the other players on the floor with him.

    Could Singler ever get better? Could he start knocking down shots even if a short guard darts out there, who he should be able to shoot over? Could he ever learn to create his own shot? Could he learn to get his shots off quicker, so even if they used a small forward to go out and challenge him, he could still make a shot? Getting toward the end of his 2nd year, and its not happening yet. None of it. Occasionally, he will get that shot off as someone challenges. But most of the time, the other team does not have to ever put a guy solely on Singler, or even close to being all dedicated to Singler.

    In sum, Singler certainly does not make them pay. Instead, the other team gets a lot more out of ignoring Singler, vs. what Singler gives us on offense.

    If you played Singler in just an occasional role, and if Singler could still knock down shots with less reps, he could be useful. But having a guy out there that the other team can plan its offensive attack around, as well as easily planning their defensive schemes based on his weaknesses, and further, having him out there the entire game so those plans always work, is bad coaching.
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    From now on, every time I see one of Lee's posts, I'll just read my own signature instead. I can't tell the difference any more.
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    Right, so he makes them pay for sagging off. I know you want to lament that he doesn't score inside, but we have enough guys trying to score inside, we actually need outside shooting, which Singler provides.

    So now you're saying that a guard runs out to him when he is on the perimeter with the ball, after previously claiming they sagged off of him.

    And yes, he's making them pay when they choose not to guard him. Basically, the best possible outcome one could hope for.
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    Bynum sure. But the reality is that the Pistons suck big time on defense when both are sitting on the bench and get better when Singler goes on the floor. I don't really understand where you are going
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    It was an impression I have been working on. Obviously not up to scratch yet.
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    Problem with Tayshaun clones is who get's to hold the ball and does the iso while running down the shotclock. They would be fightng eachother for the ball.
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    It's the same way you can credibly claim to know that the coach is intentionally loosing,, that the coach has totally no effort and that the owner is obsessed with playing Singler at all costs.
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    So you claim the 3 minutes Singler was off the floor, we were bad at D? Just how bad were we? Did you watch the game. If so, please comment on all our defensive problems for those 3 minutes.

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