Discussion in 'Pistons and NBA' started by roscoe36, Jan 31, 2009.
Well, I thought it was a good point....
Not sure if anyone has posted this yet. I've been out of the loop today. DETROIT'S TROUBLES DUE TO LACK OF CONFIDENCE IN COACH - New York Post Sort of my gripe. I like MC, but have lost confidence in him. If he's being told who to play by Joe D, then that sort of fits the theory that Joe hired an inexperienced coach with the understanding that Joe would be calling the shots (vs. having to allow a vet coach room and respect to do it their way).
Always the provocateur. How would you rate a brain surgeon? Well, I can't do it myself so I'll give him high marks even though he left a few surgical sponges in there and the scalpel cut off a big hunk of brain that I could have used.
I am giving him a C. There's a lot of stuff roster wise he can't work with. If I am failing someone for this season it is the mad texter Joe Dumars. The team has no shooters, no ball handling and inconsistent bigs. Curry hasn't been perfect or great. His indecision with the starting line-up between Amir and Kwame has hurt the team as well as the individual players. His inability to find a consistent rotation has hurt them also. He seems to be stubborn and indecisive at the same time. He doesn't seem to even listen to Hooper's suggestions for which plays to run.
I gave him a C-. ...however. My criteria for grading may be skewed a bit. In my book, the regular season only counts as a 20% of the total grade. Results wise, MCs prolly hovering around the D range to this point in the season. BUT, I think that running young guys out there and rolling out all of these WACK lineups and rotations is going to better prepare players for the post-season. His grade will improve with me if he starts to sort out all of this nonsense after the allstar break and develop some cohesive rotations and improve his ability to put guys in situations where they can succeed.
Cloud you gave him a B+. You should give yourself a self imposed 1 week ban from the forum. Something about slapping? Yourself right ?
We weren't happy with Flip losing in 6 games in the ECF last year. Since then, Stuckey has emerged as one of the best players on the team. Joe got AI, a sure hall of famer. We got rid of that slow, good-for-nothing egomaniac, Billups. We have former all-stars willing to come off the bench. We got rid of that no defense chucker, Arvis. How can we possibly be so much worse? Curry? Naw.
Actually, I was referring to how I personally could conceivably even think about giving this guy an F. I don't personally think I know enough about coaching an NBA team to attempt to read very far beyond wins and losses when giving this man a grade. You folks can do what you want. I was explaining the comparatively high grade and why wins and losses were the only thing that really weighed heavily into my grading criteria.
So now you're getting all cerebral about it. Kinda like Curry spinning his actings for the unimportant media.
:winner_first_h4h: If it adds anything to the discussion, our BillLaimbeer is a coach, and he is very opinionated on the coaching. He thought Saunders did a decent enough job last year, and doesn't think Curry is doing a very good job this year. I suppose his vote probably has more weight than mine, given that the only coaching I have done is playcalling flag football.
Actually I was hoping someone else would, seeing as how I've already admitted I'm not as basketball smart as an NBA coach. Why don't you take a shot. What plays of Michael Curry's don't you like? What are they called? Which sets would you run if you were in his shoes? Why? What would be the second/third/fourth options in these sets? If at any time a play was defended very well by a good defensive team would you want your best shooter to release to the three point line or dive into triple coverage, as some have suggested? If said shooter did release to the arc for an open three, would that then mean that the play was drawn up to get the three in the first place, as yet more have claimed? Then we could move on over to defense. It seems to me that perhaps if we can collectively put something together that appears more cogent than "play him more" or "just take it into the paint" that maybe the folks in media and brass skimming through the forum might be apt to pick it up and pass it on, if only for an initial laugh at our expense. If the points had merit, however, maybe they could at least get people thinking about them.
You can play that both ways Cloud. What specific plays do you like. What are they called etc. etc. If we followed that line of reasoning we would have to take an extensive entry exam to be part of an internet forum.
That was not a caveat of your poll question, and I'm not attempting to put anyone down, only be true to myself. I'm just willing to admit that there's a whole lot that I simply do not know, and when I start factoring these things that I really don't know a whole lot about into my subjective guesses, and then into my vote, I'm really venturing into the territory of factoring what I don't know into the coaches grade just as much as what I only think he doesn't know.
I think the inability to get a consistent lineup game after game is totally on Mike. We have to be honest about this. Either he is in charge or he is not. If he's in charge, he's responsible. That's how leadership works. I don't think any team has had as many lineup changes as we have in such a short season. First we start Amir. Then we start Kwame. Then we start Amir. Then we start Kwame. Then we start Amir. Then we start Kwame. Then we start Amir with Kwame to be used situationally. Then Kwame is permanently benched. Who wants to lay odds Curry will keep Kwame on the bench for the next 20 games? And that's one of the biggest problems. I don't think anyone here will admit that they can reasonably predict the starting lineup 2 games from now. Now maybe there is a school of thought out there that says, "Who cares what the fans thinks". But ask yourself how effective you would be at your job, if you didn't know if you were working or when even 5 days in advance, for months at a time? Does anyone really believe this lack of consistency (which is mostly without rhyme or reason) makes the players individually or team collectively better? I don't.
Yeah, I know. I seen you mad. It ain't pretty. But your initial argument about not being a coach, has to apply to you if it applies to others.
You're not following me BBills. I've already admitted that I am not possessing of a basketball mind that is greater than all of these coaches we love to harp on. Unfortunately some people can't/won't. Personally it's hard for me to get behind someones rationale when they can't show me that they have come even close to considering all of the variables. I'd love nothing more than for these questions to be answered on a per game basis when we really want to determine whether or not the coach drew up shoddy plays or whether or not the guy that was dogged to get it right in practice came in and failed to perform the most remedial of functions over even a 5 minute span. It would be a welcome learning experience for me, and I feel that it would be fairly forum specific. I don't see that kind of insight anywhere else.
It sure does. How many times do I have to label myself as basketball dumb (compared to even many Varsity HS coaches) in one thread?
Except we all know you aren't dumb. You are being disingenuous to make your point.
Not at all. Compared to even an unseasoned rook like MC I know where I stand on the basketball aptitude scale, and it ain't pretty. It's the comparative part you have keep in mind here. I'm being 100% honest in my self assessment.
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