Has Stern gone too far

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  1. kpaav

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    I know the new Sheed rule has really effected the Pistons personally, but does anyone lese think Stern has finally gone to far. Ever since the Malice Stern has enacted a series of crazy rules.

    1. Dress Code
    2. New Ball
    3. Sheed Rules
    4. No tights / bands/ etc.

    The first couple rules went by with dome complaints, but players got over them. Now, everyday I look at the headlines at STAR players are ripping into things, especially the Sheed rules and the New ball. Lebron .. Sterns golden boy... said the new ball .. Sterns Ball.. was like something you "buy your kids at Christmas."

    I just feel that Stern may have finally crossed the line and that something may happen be it a public relations disatser.

    Any comments
     
  2. Prophecy Revealed

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    I agree the intent may have been good but it has given the refs to much power.. Too Far.
     
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    When was the last time the commissioner of football, baseball or hockey been in the news? Can you name him?

    Why is Stern such a media hound? Sometimes I think he does these things for attention.

    It is a bad idea overall because games are being decided by it and its not being called on a consistant basis. And they really should get rid of the 16 tech penalties because its really going to cause problems as the season goes on.
     
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    I believe the NBA is trying to follow the mold of the NFL (unaffectionately called the 'No Fun League' by some).

    The NFL fines and penalizes players for excessive celebrations and for commenting on the officiating in the media all the time.

    It would be nice if Stern followed the NFLs hard cap as well.
     
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    The thing about football is that the product is healthy and there's no declining interest. I don't mind what Stern's doing, but he should be addressing bigger problems. Yes, suburban America may be uncomfortable in proximity to large, mostly black men screaming strange insults at each other and the refs, but I think more of them would watch if the reffing was better. Randy Moss can get away with a pushoff on a receiver moreso than most receivers, but you don't hear all of America talking about it like they talk about Dwyane Wade whistles.
     
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    Stern has a Napoleon complex. A very short guy in charge of a league with nothing but very tall guys. A perfect fit for Stern's ego.
     
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    Steve Fishman said it best yesterday on WDFN.

    When asked about the ball, Stern said that he dribbled it and didn't notice any difference.

    Like he's the freakin' expert.
     
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    how long does his legacy still last? I mean, he's been in charge since I know about the NBA. But I started to care about him (in a negative way) when he started to change the rules to create his very own next Jordans in Wade and Lebron. This league has become more of a huge show than real sports.
     
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    Well now one of his creations, King James has come out to complain about the ball. Will Stern go back to the old ball if Wade, Carmelo and Kobe complain???
     
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    From my experience people who follow hoops but not the NBA don't because of all the bad calls. They even think its fixed or that the outcome is being influenced to favor teams and players that are popular. Thats the #1 reason I get.

    Last years finals and all these rule changes only adds fuel to the fire.


    Yes he is taking a lot of heat with that new ball. Be interesting to see how stubborn he is. My guess is its not going to change.
     
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    Players want NBA to back off with techs

    BRIAN MAHONEY

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    NEW YORK - Now, NBA players are fed up with what's happening after the whistle. With technical foul calls nearly doubled compared to the same point last season, union director Billy Hunter wants commissioner David Stern to lighten up on the NBA's crackdown on complaining - or he might even seek legal action against the league.
     
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    Pontification.
     
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    Didn't know Hunter was into porn :confused:
     
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    Diminishing returns - NBA - Yahoo! Sports

    On how he [Jerry Colangelo] pushed through the rules changes:

    "I'll take the full blame or responsibility for that one. David Stern and I were meeting in New York and I shared with him my concern for the game at that time. I felt the game had lost its appeal and allure, and if it was starting to affect me then that was a serious issue. I had some very specific ideas about how to quicken the game, and David said, 'Put together a committee and do what needs be done.' Normally this kind of thing would take place within the competition and rules committee, and the coaches would discuss these things to ad infinitum. So it was my strong opinion that this was not going to be done by democratic opinion. A lot of times when people are voting on rules changes, their vote is based on their own talent. When you have coaches and GMs voting on rules, that is an issue.

    "So when I appointed my committee -- the members were people like Jack Ramsay, Dick Motta, Jerry West, Rod Thorn, Bob Lanier -- we had about 10 people who came in for the meetings in Phoenix, and I outlined what needed to be done to the rules. We discussed them, tweaked them and then we changed the rules. After the fact we met with the GMs, who had their nose out of joint, and the coaches, who may have started with their nose out of joint. I told them be patient but it would work. It would take a couple of years to implement and for people to change. So it had been done differently than it had been done before, but I thought it was necessary because otherwise it may have taken forever.''

    • On the rule permitting zone defenses:

    "When we came up with the idea that we were going to allow any defense to be played, we came up with the three-second rule for the offensive guy and the defensive guy -- and that protected us. We cleaned up play in the middle, speeded up play by changing the 10-second halfcourt rule to eight seconds -- we almost went to seven seconds, by the way -- and bringing more emphasis on shooting the ball and smarts.
    "I'm going to make a statement, and sometimes people have misinterpreted this: When we started playing the game in this country above the rim rather than below the rim, when athleticism was the key, then coaches started clinging to the athleticism and the fundamentals got sidetracked. How to pass, how to go without the ball, how to shoot the ball. I really believed because of these rules changes that scoring would increase, percentages would improve, it would put more of a premium on intelligence and people would have to get back to the fundamentals of the game. In so many ways it's a better game than we had seven or eight years ago.''
     
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    Really interesting article - thanks for posting it.

    That stuff about player wear and tear is fascinating - that Larry Bird was breaking down and on the way out when he had played as many games as McGrady has now. I wonder how much the bigger bodies and extra weight is going to take a toll over time too. LBJ already plays at a weight at or above what big men played at twenty years ago. He could easily be out of the game before he’s 30.
     
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    Different facets to who makes up a lasting superstar. Some guys are better built than others. Look at all the punishment Jordan took.
     
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    Bird had played 128 playoff games to the point they are referring to with McGrady. T-Mac has 25.

    Also Bird had 635 games to 612 (before this season for TMAC and including the '87 season for Bird).

    We're talking nearly 120 games more which is quite a bit. 4300 minutes.
     
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    True, good point - regular season is only a part of what gets played. But I still suspect that 30 or 31 might become the new 34 for a lot of players.
     
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    Yeah but....

    They don't let 17 and 18 year olds in anymore.

    It's an interesting point of discussion, but there isn't enough data under the new entry point to look too far ahead.
     
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    From the dictionary:
    1. Relating to, characteristic of, or suitable for a pope or bishop.
    2. Having the dignity, pomp, or authority of a pontiff or bishop.
    3. Pompously dogmatic or self-important; pretentious.
    Number 3 is what I was referring to.

    Full of sound and fury, signifying nothing (Macbeth).
     

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