Hollinger's take on the upcoming season for the Pistons

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  1. MJO77

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    Copied from ESPN Insider
    Sorry if it is formated a little weird.


    2008-09 Recap
    In any profession, even
    the best performers make mistakes. And once in a blue moon, they make
    such a profusion of mistakes you wonder if or when they'll recover.
    It was that kind of year for Joe Dumars.
    Previously the dean of the league's general managers, he could do
    virtually no wrong from 2000 to 2007. With one glaring exception
    (coughDarkocough), every decision he made worked out spectacularly
    well, resulting in an NBA title in 2004 and an amazing six consecutive
    trips to the Eastern Conference finals.
    Since then Dumars has had
    his version of U2's "Pop," Brett Favre's 2005 or the Lakers' 2004-05,
    lumping a career's worth of bad decisions into one concise 12-month
    stretch. Starting with his decision to ax Flip Saunders at the end of
    the 2007-08 season, almost nothing he tried worked, and the result was
    a shocking U-turn that saw the Pistons slump to just 39 wins last
    season.


    **trimmed by roscoe**
     
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    Interesting article but can you please post a link for it?
     
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    Ohhh my bad. I just thought people would like to read it. You can delete this thread if you like.
     
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    No worries. I know you meant good by it. :)
     
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    Wow, the Central is going to suck.
     
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    Hollinger the prophet. :nerd2:
     
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    Look for the Bulls to win about 50 games.
     
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    The only team in the league that can lose their best player, not add anyone significant and actually improve.

    Ben Gordon gets no respect.
     
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    I think Hollinger is crazy calling the Pistons a "backcourt-dominant team". He lost all credibility right there. This team like all Joe Dumars built teams is built around low post scoring.
     
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    That is a pretty thorough and thoughtful piece. He just summarized 6 months of analysis here on pf.com. Of course he won't be right on everything, but that is as expected. He does a good job of combining expectations of players with their salary allocation and the big picture of having limited resources and limited minutes.

    I found it interesting that we basically led the league in shot attempts per 100 possessions last year. And he correctly pointed out that it was due to our lack of turnovers and high offensive rebounds (which will be lower this year without Dyess and Amir you would think). But even with that great stat, we were inefficient due to low percentage shooting.

    -referring to WB.

    That is pretty shocking. Not sure it has ever been done before.

    We really do have a crazy collection of guards with Bynum/Stuck/Rip/Gordon. But the strange part is that Bynum is the closest thing to a PG on that list, and even he is more of drive and drop-off guy than a true distributor.

    And given that Rip Hamilton (perpetual borderline all-star) can seemingly play 45 mpg at the SG spot, it is really is a shame that Ben Gordon was the best free agent available this year.

    However, if we could magically turn Kwame/Wilcox/ and Ben Wallace into a top 10 center, then we would be looking pretty good. Here's hoping that in the future, this can happen (with Rip or Ben Gordon probably included out of necessity).
     
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    Can you imagine if Jason Kidd went to Chicago - he would be predicting the Bulls to win it all.
     
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    Really hollinger? Amir? Really? You had to go for the low blow?

    I don't have insider, but I hope he is as critical of milwaukee for trading Amir. I imagine hollinger is working on some equation to show that his 7 foul - 4 point performance in their summer league opener shows that Amir is the next dwight howard.
     
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    Oh my...without even looking at the new team. I have the Bulls at least 2 slots lower than the pistons.
     
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    It's already been derived. Net +/-.

    http://www.82games.com/0809/0809DET.HTM
     
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    What I'd like to see is a thread on Hollingers predictions based on his per stats that actually came true.
     
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    I can't really tell by the start of this thread (maybe it was redacted b/c of the insider article) what it was that Hollinger actually predicted. Can somebody summarize his prediction and his rationale? Was he right, or too optimistic?
     
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    He wasn't too far off:

     

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