Hoping for a lottery pick is pointless

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  1. tads

    tads First Round Draft Pick

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    Given that our team is about as bad as we've been this whole millenium it is tempting to think we should try to lose a bunch of games and get a good draft pick out of the lottery. While that may be tempting, and I enjoy imagining thabeet or griffin in a pistons uniform as much as the next guy, the lottery would be horrible for us.

    First off, the lottery has been horrible for us. With Dumars at the helm the draft has given us 2 nba starters, one of which is playing in utah. Maybe if you add in another 3 more people that are playing on the bench. Thats about 5/16 of success out of the draft. Before we give guaranteed money to the next rodney white, mateen cleaves, or the human victory cigar (Dumars' choices when picking higher than 15), we should take a second and think about the benefits of getting into the playoffs instead.

    If we are a playoff team then our new players like stuckey and afflalo will get experience in games that matter playing with teammates that will push them. I imagine this is the difference between young point guards like rajon rondo and mike conley.

    Another big reason is that the free agents that we are going to be spending all of this money next year are going to want to go to a winning team. If Detroit can't even do better than seven other teams in the eastern conference, we'll have to hope the new MGM grand casino will go along way towards attracting a big man to the D.

    Most importantly, we can actually get into the playoffs. The bottom 60% of the eastern conference is as soft as jello and after this terrible road trip that is most of who we are going to be playing. If Curry is hoping to have a recovery he has a pretty solid month and a half to do it. I'd much rather hope for Curry to get it together, than hope for us to burn another draft pick.
     
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    TaS All-Star Forum Donor

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    No way Sheed, Rip, AI, and company let us miss the playoffs. It will look like it for a while, but he end of our schedule is easy enough to get it. But I agree with your post that it is pointless to tank. Besides, we wouldn't be the only team tanking and those other terrible teams are hard to catch.
     
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    It doesn't seem like we will be trying as much as simply succeeding in losing. That's the path we are on right now. Will we do something to turn it around?
     
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    Strangest thing is the trouble winning home games. Pistons road record ranks 7th in the league at 13-12. But they can't win at home.
     
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    No it's not. It's the only logical hope of landing a super talented player.

    And if Joe actually stinks with the lottery picks then maybe GM of an NBA basketball team isn't the job for him.
     
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    Even making the playoffs would not make Detroit an attractive destination if we squeak by. What franchise or big time player would want to come to team like this that made it by getting lucky against the bad teams in the league, of which we are one.

    I think our biggest sell would be a draft pick and the money we got and marketing the fact that we are going to assemble a competing squad. Convince players to come by what we are going to put together because this season is a wash.
     
  7. Latinoking90

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    How is it hopeless?

    Because the two picks he choose in the lottery were Rodney White and Darko????

    He drafts based on needs or pet projects.

    He can draft...look @ Amir, Afflalo, and Stuckey.

    But it does seem it was all Flip Saunders drafting. LOL

    Walter Sharpe? Trent? Deron Washington? Alex Acker? All failed projects.
     
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    nobody can say if Sharpe is a failed project at this point or not.... we were told before the season he wouldn't play AT ALL his year, and he hasn't... and with the great reporters in Detroit we have nothing to know if he's coming all faster/slower/right as planned.

    For all the names of failures in the last 5 years in the draft you will be hard pressed to find a sure fire star picked after Detroit picked every year.

    He made some really bad choices early on but I have no problems with him in the last 5 years. Darko included.... He wasn't the only GM that would have taken Darko if they had the choice. Its so hard to find a big man and you have to take your chances on one when its there.

    That being said if Darko was a late first round draft pick for us that year, he'd probably still be here and we'd be happy with what we had.
     
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    Ernie the Slow Adult All-Star Forum Donor

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    Anyone with half a brain knows the draft doesn't start until the 31st pick.
     
  10. blackhawk

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    Joe D.'s picks have indeed been bad. That's not to say that there haven't been good picks. Look at Stuckey, Mehmet Okur, Prince, Delfino and Maxiell.

    Our young guys, Stuckey in particular, have playoff experience from last year when played all the way to the Eastern Conference Finals. More experience, probably first round playoff experience, would benefit them a bit more. The small benefit would cost us a good chance for a high pick. Joe D. has only had 4 high picks. We drafted Cleaves, White, Darko, and Stuckey with those picks. That's 1 out of 4 or 25% chance of selecting a good player when he has had a high pick. In the past, our picks have been mostly in the second round because we have had good teams. With that said, you can't get lucky in the second-round often so he has had to stick to projects with potential.

    Championship or close to championship teams is free agent talk for "I want to go to a winning team."

    Hope we get into the playoffs but I wouldn't be mad if we didn't becuase were coming right back. Were going to have cap-room and Bill is one of the wealthiest owners...Were not the Sacramento Kings trying to clear cap room because the Maloffs lost hundresds of millions to Madoff.
     
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    that % is NBA average. Be realistic, it is impossible to get ever steal and so on. Better compare JD with other GMs and you will see that he has done good job.
     
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    Tank the season and get a high pick. The 2009 FA class is nothing to write home about, and I don't see Joe being able to get a superstar via trade. The best option is to rebuild w/ the draft. Let Dice go and give him a chance for a 'ship. With MC at helm this season, nothing good is going to happen anyway.
     
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    Unfortunately, the 2009 draft class is just about as poor.
     
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    That's true, there are only a handful of players that have star potential. Joe needs to target the guy he wants and find out how to get the draft position.
     
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    Don't need a homerun pick. But it needs to be a top 6 rotation player on a team that is going to miss Sheed, Dice and AI.

    Joe has to stop drafting projects and start finishing them.
     
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    Sharpe is a failed project! He's just raw less good looking on paper talent. I mean who seriously has sleeping disorders and gets shot in the stomach.

    If Joe knew he was going to trade Chauncey why not get a decent backup with Mario Chalmers?

    What about a center? DeAndre Jordan was still there.

    A person to back up Tay? Luc Mbah a Moute? Bill Walker?

    This is the NBA for crying out louds. There's shouldn't even be projects at the pro level.
     
  17. tads

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    It would be great if we could get a franchise player out of the lottery, truth is it doesn't really happen that much. by my little analysis, I would say half of the recent lottery picks have panned out to be little more than really good towel folders. If we imagine a title run seriously happening in 3 years or so look at the draft from three years ago and imagine if we had picked JJ Reddick or Patrick O'Bryant and were still developing the 'projects'. Well what sucks about these projects is that we have to waste all of this guaranteed money while they try to find their way.

    If we get stuck wasting our money on some nobody that is money that won't be going towards the stuckey/afflalo/amir/tayshaun extensions in the near future. That is if they want to stay, I know I wouldn't want to stay in a locker room where people aren't used to losing, and where playoffs are a distant hope.
     
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    In keeping this forum unflamed i'll just ask this.... what did you expect Sharpe to do for us this year that he hasn't?
     
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    What did I expect him to do? Back up Tay of course, he was chosen before other candidates that had better resumes.

    This guy was one of the best 60 college players going pro? Seems not.
     
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    Yet all the contenders have one.
     

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