How to win this series

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  1. Lee356

    Lee356 All-Star

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    It ain't Amir Johnson. Its him, Maxiell, Bynum, Afflalo. Guys that really get after it on defense. Team speed. We got it. We got enough to give Cleveland fits. They have a team with one star. You put some team speed against that, and they will fold. You play slow guys, they will thrive. Its Curry's choice. Win with speed, lose with slow. Guys like Sheed (injured), Dyess (just too old and worn right now) and Kwame (just too big to be all that quick) have their places as role players in this series. Tay (injured), ditto. Rip? I do not know for sure, but I am wondering if that groin injury ever healed. He can play a major role if healthy, or a very minor one if not. Stuckey? Don't know how well he fared this year getting thru the season healthy. But I think he can play a valuable role off the bench spelling Bynum here and there.
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    You are comparing apples and oranges mate!
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    Players don't just appear overnight, that is why they have pre season, an 82 game season and a thing called training. I'm sure they all saw potential in Prince so please don't say that he went from a bench player to a star over night.
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    You're right, Tay went from bench guy to star during the course of one game. Didn't even take overnight. Lots of guys with loads of potential don't become all stars.
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    Gee, thats what everyone else said at the time. Since he did. He went from a guy with no role on the team at all in the first series of the playoffs, and no role in the first 4 games of the 2nd series. We were down 3-1 in the 2nd series, and Curry got into some foul trouble.

    Tay came on and guarded Tracy McGrady, a player who was one of the hottest scorers in the NBA that year. He did very well at guarding the guy, plus scored himself. In fact, when you look at the time Tay and TMAC were on the floor at the same time, they scored the same number of points (within one point, in two of the games).

    Tay was all the sudden a star, and everyone knew that he would be our starting small forward the next season. Its about as overnight as you can get.

    However, no, it was not that automatic the next year. Tay had proven to the world he could defend. And yes, he was automatically slated to start for us based on his performance in the playoffs - but Tay was not scoring double digits, not much of a rebounder - in short, not much stats. Absolutely, without the rep, Larry Brown could have gotten all over Tay about his weak rebounding, his lack of aggressiveness on offense, and sat him out of "tough love". The kind he so likes to apply.

    And I guarantee you, there would have been a majority of posters backing up Larry Brown, if Tay was not playing, and calling Tay every name in the book except for NBA player.

    After all, what do we fans know? If the mighty Larry Brown won't play someone, he can't be worth much, can he?
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    I think Curry should fist-fight LeBron while confusing him with bad grammar.
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    This is probably the greatest indictment of T-Mac yet.
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    Tayshaun is the poster boy for going from bench player to star overnight. This was Lee's shining moment for calling it right on Tayshaun.
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    Tay earned the trust of the coaching staff by doing well in the garbage time he was given during that season. When his number was called in the playoffs Tay took advantage of it. It is what every player should do. When you get your number called you take advantage of it. The quickest way to get on the floor in hte NBA is to play solid defense. Worry about the offense later.
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    That was pretty sweet when we kept going to him that year and his awkward post moves kept working time after time.
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    The important factor being "Tay took advantage of it."

    That's being lost in the shuffle as somehow Lee's argument makes it sound as though Tay just got minutes and shined because he got minutes. Tay already had a stint earlier in the year when he started and out performed #12 and Cola put him right back on the bench because (unlike the arguments for Amir) the team went just 3-5 so Cola attributed that very minor fall off to inserting Tay in the lineup (although Prince was in no way the reason for the drop off). This is precisely why coaches can't attribute win/loss or win/loss % to one guy either being in or out of the lineup.

    Tay shined because he was actually a better player than M. Curry. Not because he finally got minutes.
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    He also was able to take advantage of it because he played 4 years in college and was way more ready than Amir.
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    But he didn't shine when he was a better player than M. Curry and didn't get minutes.

    It would seem that it took both of those things for him to shine.
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    Actually, it was only 5 games,and we went 3-2. What Carlisle claimed is that our defense suffered with Tay in. Note, we played five of the hottest scoring teams in the league, kept them all to below their averages, but all Carlisle pointed out was the high point average we gave up with Tay in. In other words, he timed the stint for Tay to ensure he could fail him.
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    Thanks for that. As you may recall, I said, before Tay played in that series, that he could match TMAC point for point. (based on observations from earlier in the season. Tay did actually play against TMAC some in that season.) Of course, everyone else pretty much thought I was crazy for claiming that a rook, untried, no experience to speak of, could be put in a playoff series and match a superstar. But yes, I was right, and thanks for remembering.
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    Amir looked pretty darn ready last night. After all, the team went on a 20-2 run there featuring Amir showing up everywhere on D, helping to force Cleveland into one turn after another.

    The difference? Curry most likely will not play Amir the next game.
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    I was thinking it was 7 games when Tayshaun got his tryout in 2002 but it was 5.

    11/22, 11/23, 11/27, 1129, and 11/30 2002.
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    Lee, I owe you an apology about Amir and JMax meaning instant blowout, but isn't it time you started giving Hermann just a little bit of credit?
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    Do you think there is a chance that the Cavs will start their bench and have their starters thinking they won't be getting in the game on Friday?
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    I don't think it will matter. When Amir played/started (?) against CLE earlier in the season, he looked just as good and the team sprinted to a 10 pt 3rd quarter lead (which we of course gave back by going to our trusty over 30 line-up)

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