If Brown Was Such A Great Coach

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  1. buddahfan

    buddahfan Retired from Forum

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    how come he didn't win both his years?

    Don't say cause Sheed messed up. Because if you say that I will say, and correctly so in rebuttal, that it was Brown's coaching that put set up the defense on that play and his lack of proper coaching that kept Sheed from being in the proper position to defend the shot.

    The year the Pistons lost to the Spurs in 2004-05, we had Big-Ben and the other 4 guys were all 2 years younger than last year.

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    mikhail1973 All-Star Administrator 1x Fantasy Champion

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    Larry Brown is not a good person.
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    Because no season is set in stone. Whether or not he won both titles isn't really the issue here. He put the team in the position to content for the Title both years he was here by getting to the Finals. So, by that measure LB was a great coach IRREGARDLESS of the performance we've seen so far from Saunders.

    Getting to the Finals is a feat Saunders has failed to accomplish two years running EVEN with a team that everyone was screaming about being better than the title team and winning 64 games WITH essentially a gold road to the finals the way the playoffs played out this season.

    The issue is Saunders lacks the X's and O's and the personnel management skills to get the job done and don't give me any crap about Darko...I'm talking players that matter (top 7).
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    The only problem with the logic here is that Sheed admitted he was supposed to stay home and he screwed up....so there goes the argument that LB coached it poorly.

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    Brown was in the HOF before he won an NBA title. I think his playing and coaching career speaks volumes about his contribution to the game.
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    mikhail1973 All-Star Administrator 1x Fantasy Champion

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    How many years did it take Brown to win his NBA championship?
    I rest my case.
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    roscoe36 All-Star Administrator

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    How many coaches have an NCAA title and and NBA title?
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    mikhail1973 All-Star Administrator 1x Fantasy Champion

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    The one and only.
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    How many current coaches have at least 1 NBA coaching title?
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    Not to mention he got two different teams to the NBA finals. (Philly and Detroit. He ran into Shaq and Kobe as the Philly coach.) A total of three trips. Seems he got Indiana pretty far along one year too. And his record of getting mediocre teams into the playoffs is very impressive indeed.

    Now, as good as Brown was, there is potential, and there is results. If Brown could have concentrated a bit more on winning, and less on whining, who knows what he could have done. The only example I will bring up is this. He wins a title for us, and what does he do? Starts whining. Starts looking for his dream job. A very disinterested Brown still got the Pistons to within a quarter of basketball of winning back to back titles. If only he could stay focused on winning.
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    Won a title in his first year coaching the Pistons. Geeeez
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    I believe that the answer is 3 (Riley, Pop, and Phil Jackson). By my calculations, there is not another current NBA coach who can say that they are better at winning championships than Flip Saunders.

    Not that I think he's great, but just pointing out how many guys are trying to get to the top and how few actually make it there.
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    The Pistons were just as good as the Spurs

    Brown was a great coach, but so was Popovich

    The result a 7 game series that could of went either way, it just went San Antonio's way.

    LB was a lot about defense and the little things, that is how a team wins.
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    Why did he mess up in New York..........
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    Maybe it's just me, but I prefer an NBA title and a game 7 finals loss to the surrounding 3 ECF losses.

    Mr Subliminal: Larry Brown might not have been a good person, but he could have coached Flip on to the bridge
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    Because he coached a bunch of jackasses that decided that no matter how good a coach he was, they weren't going to listen. They also knew that because his coaching pedigree preceded him, they wouldn't be the blame when it turned into a disaster because he was supposed to be the "solution" and it didn't pan out.
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    I wish I knew 7 different languages so I could say "Amen" in all of them.
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    Are we talking about New York or 2006-2007 Detroit Pistons.........:stirthepot:
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    This is a dead argument. Please stop making it. The statement was past tense and not related to his current situation.

    I really wish people would read and comprehend before continuing to make the same false argument.
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    Yeah, but I gotta agree with Lee to a degree. LB did start to lose focus after winning the title. I thought he was money in the playoffs, but his lost focus affected his tenure with the franchise, and what could have been an amazing run.

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