Interesting Villanueva Stat: (very interesting)

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  1. roscoe36 Jedi Order

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    It's not a waste of money. You need salaries in order to trade for a player. That's how we got Sheed. We dumped a bunch of salaries.

    As far as hoping someone pans out, you mean like Ben Wallace or KB Toys?

    No disrespect to anyone, but when it comes to the business side of the NBA, there are a small handful of fans I listen to. There are only a few people who know the cap and contracts as well as I do, and even I don't feel super confident.

    So when you have a bunch of season ticket holders claiming a guy is worth this, or worth that, I am always taking that with a grain of salt, if not outright disregarding it.

    CV for $6~$6.5 to start. A steal. That's 2/3rd Tay's salary with a lot more upside.
    roscoe36, Jul 1, 2009
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    .345 from 3 I don't like
    .810 FT% I like
    We need a post player we can trust with the ball.
    Not a "clean up the mess in the paint" guy.
    TheeTFD, Jul 1, 2009
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    .345 isn't that bad. Especially for a PF.

    Sheed was at .354 last year and he has a .342 career average.

    Also, in '06-'07, Chauncey shot .345 from 3-point range.
    TaS, Jul 2, 2009
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    It was either Charlie VanillaWafer or nothing. David Lee or Paul Millsap would have costed too much, considering what other teams reportedly offered them. In my opinion, Charlie VanillaWafer is a bit underrated. I think he'll play better than people expect. So he's a shooting big man, big whoop. If Avery is coach, I think it'll work out. You guys saw the success he had with Dirk, another shooting big man.
    Hopefully the defense on this team next year won't be as bad as we expect.
    MJO77, Jul 2, 2009
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    It's not so much as guard dominated. The bigs are not no longer just lumbering obstacles within a set pattern of small circular movement. The more movement of bigs, the more expansion of options. In a sense, by their mere encroachment into guard territory, makes for more complex combinations involving the latter. Likewise, guards reaching into big territory, has a natural circular (the famous loop association) cause-effect.

    As the game refines and probes more territory for growth expansion against a finite boundary (court dimensions); roles move away from one dimensional vertical hierarchy into the horizontal of sharing talents.

    Magic was the first to break this barrier and notice how acceptable (baring the horror of knowing the past insistence of instant turnover) it is too see such bigs as Hedo and Lamar bringing up the ball (in playoff pressure) as semi-point guards.
    pass99, Jul 2, 2009
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    About a fifth of the way through the season and Charlie has been held scoreless.
    TaS, Jan 21, 2012
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    ...Just showcasing him for a trade.
    BallDon'tLie, Jan 21, 2012
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    May as well settle with him on a buyout.
    TaS, Jan 21, 2012
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    Ouch, some of the original posts in this thread.... having said that all of it was fair comment at the time... :(
    Rocastle, Jan 24, 2012
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    Is there another FA signing from last year that is healthy and scoreless? Is Villanueva the worst FA signing in the history of the Pistons?
    TaS, Jan 24, 2012
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    Doesn't sound like someone who would be working for Tom Gores.................
    Nemo, Jan 24, 2012
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    BallDon'tLie Hji

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    Interesting question TaS.

    ...Does extending Rip a couple years ago count as a FA signing?
    ...Ben Gordon is being paid a heck of a lot of cheddar to NOT do what he was brought in to do.
    ...I didn't like it when Joe signed Derrick Coleman a few years ago.
    ...IMO, Tay and Rodney's current contracts are further inhibiting the team from bringing in players that would be much more useful.

    The Charlie signing just might be impossible to beat as far as "worst FA signings" go.
    BallDon'tLie, Jan 25, 2012
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    I wasn't thinking to count re signing our own guys. Ben Gordon was pretty bad, but at least he's doing his thing. Macklin has seemingly beat out Charlie in the coach's eyes. It's a really strange situation to just have our fa rotting away.
    TaS, Jan 25, 2012
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    Just signed up to be a fan on JJ's facebook page. Insights are sure to follow. I couldn't bring myself though to sign up for Charlie V.

    Though I guess he does have more time to post. Maybe I was too rash...
    dba, Jan 25, 2012
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    Loy Vaught and Christian Laettner signings would rank right up there with Villanueva, if you compare now to the Teal era.
    BillLaimbeer, Jan 25, 2012
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    Laettner just got hired as an assistant coach for the Mad Ants.
    BallDon'tLie, Jan 25, 2012
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    okay, Charlie's new nickname is "Greece": money for nothing.
    raxrets, Jan 25, 2012
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    That would make Joes new nickname Merkel.
    Mogilny, Jan 25, 2012
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    Laettner was only with the Pistons for 1 full season. I don't understand the sentiment that he wasn't a good player for us. The only player that our current team has that exceeded Laettner's per game averages in the major categories is Monroe- shown below.

    Per game
    Stat: Laettner/ Monroe
    Minutes: 29.8/ 32.0
    Points: 12.2/ 15.2
    Rebs: 6.7/ 9.4
    Assists: 2.3/ 2.8
    Steals: 1.0/ 1.2
    Blocks: 0.5/ 0.6
    eFG%: .478/.510

    Laettner was our 4th leading scorer (in aggregate and per minute) behind Grant Hill, Jerry Stackhouse, and Lindsey Hunter.
    He was our 2nd leading rebounder
    4th in assists
    5th in steals
    1st in blocks!

    started in all 82 games and we made the playoffs.


    Pretty good player. He was a 3rd overall draft pick and an NBA all-star.


    In a one on one match, even at his current age of 42, he would dominate CV.
    TaS, Jan 25, 2012
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    Yet another dude in a vast sea of guys that would instantly become the 2nd best Piston big man before the ink dried on his contract signature.
    BallDon'tLie, Jan 26, 2012
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