Discussion in 'Pistons and NBA' started by dozero, Jul 13, 2009.
Now, that's making a whole lot of sense. Lets see if Joe is trying to take advantage of this.
If Kwame is the 20 MPG player in a 3 man rot, then it means that we might be able to re-sign him next offseason for even less than he makes now.
I know that doesn't sound good if you are Kwame Brown, but as a Pistons fan, 2 years means we can sign him without using the MLE, we can use the Early Bird Exception, and still add another average salary player if necessary (plus rookies, plus minimum contract players).
In my mind, this is the big move. Lock up young tested talent long term, end up capped out, but able to add the same MLE and LLE talent everyone else does while using your exceptions to re-sign guys like Tay, Brown, Stuckey without having to touch that MLE.
I can't even work now. I am all geeked about the Pistons again.
I thought you bought a Celtic Green Sheed jersey. You know he'll be joining the greats in the rafters one day. FELL OWN EE YUS!
That one is coming too. I'm going to have to start working OT to afford all these.
I am really rooting for Joe's big FA signings to both come off the bench for comedy reasons.
If he pulls this off, he could sign Darko to a max contract tomorrow and I'd still be happy.
Those who are saying the deal will be Rip + max (or cap space) for Bosh. Here is a question.
If Toronto is concerned about the cap, why would Toronto want Rip (4 years , 50 million left ). They would probably want tay + space.
Tay has only 2 years left and his salary is about a million less than Rip next year (11.6 vs. 10.3 , I think)
And I don't think Joe wants to trade Tay.
Ernie, I'm not feeling the vibe.
So anyway, I think Joe has two ways to go.
He can try to dump salary for next offseason, when everyone is trying to dump salary, and thus the expiring contracts he wants to trade for are becoming harder and more expensive to acquire.
Or his recent roster flushing means he is trying to clear room right now, to add salary when everyone is moving in the other direction. If there is a time to strike against the grain, this might be it. This is when (as they talked about after the season) that he can add salary when everyone else is trying to dump it.
I saw discussion about Camby. I would rather grab Bosh now, than try to grab a big name like Bosh or Wade or Melo or LBJ next offseason, considering that some of them may agree to extensions immediately, and thus never even hit the market. And that looks like what may happen. If these guys try to test FA, they are going to lose money if the cap shrinks as predicted. Their max values will actually shrink.
For the love of pete, I can't focus on anything else!
Don't worry we'll just come after you.
Tashawn you are right on the money with this.
I really do like Kwame Brown as a backup center.
Because Bosh will need to take his 4th year, to get an extension. His 4th year is over $17 million, and then he gets a $1.8-ish million increase every year over that.
Rip only has (IIRC) 3 years at around $36 million. 2010/2011/2012
Bosh will make $36 million in two years.
I don't think Tay is attractive with his short contract.
I guess that depends on if you like tall skinny guys with tiny luggage.
i don't quite get what you are saying about Bosh but according to HoopsHype - NBA Salaries - Detroit Pistons
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I dont know why the formatting was screwed up but what I was saying was according to hoopshype Rip has 4 years, ~50 mill left.
Let's say he has 4 years at $50 million because year 4 is 100% guaranteed.
I don't think that changes anything.
He's still an $11/12 million dollar a year player. In 2 years, Bosh will be a $20 million a year player.
The time for this to happen is now. Will it? Who knows.
Alright. i still dont get it because I don't know the cap rules and details. But I will go with what you are saying.
I will be happy to get Bosh for Rip but I dont think Toronto will go for it. I may be wrong. let's wait and see what happens.
If Bosh is going to walk, they will do it. It's a game of chicken. If I am right, we are too far into this game of chicken for Toronto to find their gonads.
If I am right, then I bet this has been in the works for weeks.
And if I am wrong, you will all think I am a crank. Which is where we started off 6 hours ago.
I'm pretty sure Lee is busy with his garden and learning Korean.
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