Discussion in 'Pistons and NBA' started by roscoe36, Jun 8, 2006.
Your thoughts? I'll add mine once there are a few respondents.
Cuban is a whining, snivling cry baby... He thinks everything revolves around his team... pompus... disrespectful to authority. Hell yeah he's good for the association! Someone needs to challange the fat cats up top (especially on poor officiating). He's a marketing genious... his influence in technology and media WOW for "bringing the message" has added a fresh new outlook in modern marketing concepts. His teams success has finally put him in a position that he's no longer considered an upity young joke by league officials. This could easily change if he doesn't show some restraint. to new youngblood ideas...even if he's a P.I.T.A (pain in the arse)
Having seen a few articles on TV and the Web, I have not found a reason to think he is anything but good for the game and sports in general. He loves his guys, does everything he can do for them, is very supportive of them all the time, and that thing he cooked up with the ref for April Fools' Day was absolutely priceless. A good example of a self-made rich guy doing something he loves and gives something back to the city. I come down on the side of "Good".
Overall I love how he challenges the league and tries to clean up the calls. But he goes too far. If we would have played Dallas then I would imagine we all would have disliked him by the time it was over.
While Bill Davidson is like the godfather, Cuban (to me) represents how we might react if our finances were greater. Cuban is not bashful about his wealth, his intelligence or his over the top passion for his team. He's not a really handsome guy, he's not the coolest guy, but he is living a dream and I can sympathize with his antics. Hell, if I had his resources, I would scream at the refs and act goofy in the crowd too. Why act serious when you have to answer to no one? As an owner, he's made right move after right move. You could almost consider him the Joe Dumars of owners the way he amnestied Finley, let Nash go in FA, pushed Nellie to the front office to allow Avery to ascend. He's taken what was a bad to mediocore franchise and put them in the title game, which contrary to what some may think, is a direct result of his ownership and passion for the Mavs. I can see how he turns people off. But he's damn good for the NBA. He challenges them to improve the league. if you've never read his blog, you'll find it pretty interesting. He covers more than just himself or the Mavs, delving into business and technology. http://www.blogmaverick.com/
I think he is good. With Cuban, the league becomes more human. Its not just corporations or mysterious white guys in the shadows. Here is a living breathing person who loves this game and loves this league. Does he do dumb crap? Hell yeah! That's what being human is!
Okay, easy on the revisionist history. He made plenty of mistakes, overpaid plenty of guys, and eventually reaped the benefits of some moves that the now-underrated Nelsons actually made. Don was the one who put Avery in place to intern as the next coach, before Johnson and Cuban actually knew much about each other. (Granted, it was mostly because Nelson would rather be poolside in Hawaii than coaching or arguing with Cuban. Still, how many coaches ever nominated their own successor so visibly?) I think the guy's a buffoon. But the league's history is full of buffoon owners, and that makes for good copy and hotter rivalries. After all, more wrestling fans turn out to boo the heel than cheer the hero.
I LOVE Cuban. He is to the NBA what Ron Jeremy (the real one, not Van Jeremy) is to porn. He's the every man. The average guy. Joe Blow. Passionate fan turned billionaire. The anti-owner. How many of you have ever dreamed of winning the lottery and then buying your favourite team? I know I have. I used to dream about buying the Montreal Canadians, and of course, naming myself the GM as well. It doesn't look that hard. I've done it on PS2 a million times. I've made the Lions a perennial Championship challenger. I love Mark Cuban!
This is coincidental. I looked up the Mark Cuban story again today just to remember how he got so rich. Here is the basic summary from Wiki... Shortly after college, in 1982, Cuban moved to Dallas, Texas and found work with a new IBM PC software dealer. He was fired for choosing to make a sales call to close a $10,000 software deal instead of opening the store on time. Cuban founded a new company, MicroSolutions, and was able to convince some of his previous customers to come along. The Microsolutions became a system integrator and reseller for companies such as Novell, 3Com, IBM, Banyan, Apple Computer and Sun Microsystems and an early adopter of technologies such as Carbon Copy, Lotus Notes, and CompuServe. One of the company's biggest clients was Perot Systems. In July 1990, Cuban sold MicroSolutions to CompuServe, Inc, then a subsidiary of H&R Block, for $6 million. Cuban and fellow Indiana alum Todd Wagner still eagerly followed their college basketball team, and conceived the idea of broadcasting live games and events through the Internet. They began Audionet in 1995 with a single Packard Bell server and ISDN line, which became Broadcast.com in 1998. They achieved success by broadcasting sporting and corporate events much less expensively than with existing leased lines. By 1999, Broadcast.com had grown to 330 employees and annual revenues close to $100 million. With the stock market now in the midst of the Dot-com boom, Cuban was able to sell the company to Yahoo! for $5.7 billion in stock. After the sale, Cuban hedged his position in Yahoo in an attempt to avoid exposure to a market crash. According to Forbes, Cuban is reportedly worth $1.8 Billion. All this makes me like him more. I mean, he would be rich anyway, but getting $5.7 Billion for a $100M a year company???? That is the luckiest timing I have ever heard of.
Most players in the league would love to play for the Mavs. Cuban takes care of the players. He is passionate about the game. He loves to win, and he is always looking out for his team. I think he might get a little too involved in the day to day activities of the team. The owner in the huddle during time-outs is kind of over the top, but maybe it's just a Dallas thing. I think he is good for the Association, the NBA. The game is something different to me. Jordan was good for the game. Magic was good for the game. John Wooden was good for the game. Isiah was good for the game, but he is bad for the Association. All in all, I like him. I wish some young internet mogul bought the Pistons and wasn't worried about salary cap and lux tax. Word.
by the way- before I get killed for the Zeke comment. I was kidding, but some would agree and it was a good illustration.
Quote from Robert Michael: "I wish some young internet mogul bought the Pistons and wasn't worried about salary cap and lux tax". Heck with that; I just wish one of them would adopt me. Then I could do as you suggest, among many other things :fingerscr !!!
Cuban is good for the Mavs and bad for the NBA. Overall he's a good owner, although he's made plenty of mistakes both as a businessman and on the basketball side. He's innovative and ballsy. He's also obnoxious, tactless, and overinvolved. He's elevated whining about the officiating to a new level. It's probably hypocritical of me to criticize him for that, since I frequently make similar criticisms, but I don't send them to the league office, and I am not an owner. I'd take him over Davidson any day.
I think Cuban's level of involvement with the officiating is a bad thing for the sport. Sure, refs make mistakes, sometimes more than one against the same team in the same game, but I for one don't believe in grand conspiracy theories. Cuban should not be talking with the refs during the game. It creates the appearance of impropriety and lowers the overall level of respect that the refs must have to do their job. The Mavs are certainly welcome to send in all the tapes they want, but the organization and Cuban in particular should not be talking about it in public.
He's good for basketball. He's a whiner, yeah, but so are 90% of sports fans. He's basically what any sports fan would be like if they owned a team, and he admits it. I'm not going to hate him for it. My problem with him is he is on the floor and sits with the team during games. IMO that is a HUGE HUGE NO-NO for an owner. You are in the lockerroom before and after the game, at halftime, you do not need to be on the court. I'm sure the guy would have courtside season tickets if he wasn't the owner, but you bought the team, get your ass in a suite. He also picks on certain players and teams he plays. He points out inconsistencies and sends tons and tons of video to the league office. This really wouldn't be a problem, but the fact that the officiating is so BAD in the NBA that 80% of the calls can go one way or another depending on how the ref feels that night. Cuban's harping can cause major changes in how his team/opponent is called. It's more of a problem with the league. Do we just ignore the idiot refs and policies and completely crap officiating? Or do we point out when they screw up and maybe give certain teams an advantage by giving them a much easier time with certain calls? Shaq was called drastically different from years past this year. They were ALWAYS fouls, but the refs never called them. Now suddenly they started calling them and Shaq was shocked. Do you blame the player for using that as a crutch? The refs gave it to him so he took it. This suddenly turned into a referee rant so I'm gonna stop .
Cuban is great for the game. He cares. He is at the games rooting for his team talking to the players and he hired a great coach. We could benefit from an aggressive and involved owner like him. No more hiring coaches because they have a pleasant personality. Who care if the owner and the coach can be pals? That's more important to Davidson than winning when all is said and done.
I seem to recall Don's son being in line to be the next coach. I'm not sure where the AJ hiring came from. Sure he's made mistakes, but it's not for lack of trying or passivity. For those that might wonder (and because it is pertinent to the inevitable Davidson/Cuban comparisons) the Mavs payroll is approx $40 million dollars in excess of the salary cap. Mark has not been afraid to pay for play. And yet the Mavs have not bought their way to the top. Daniels, Harris, and Howard are the future of this team. AND... you can see them play NOW!
The Mavs haven't bought their way to the top -- but not for lack of trying. Remember Cuban letting Dennis Rodman move in with him for a week? Or all their talk about how French star Antoine Rigedeau was going to put them over the top? Oh yes, they tried to win with their checkbook for a long time. That's why I react strongly about equating Cuban with Dumars, whose moves have been quiet, subtle, mostly efficient. To their credit, the Mavs have drafted brilliantly. Everything seemed to change for that team the moment Josh Howard showed up, and they showed great patience holding onto Harris until he matured. So Cuban is not bad for basketball. The only owner who is really bad for basketball is George Shinn, though the guys in Atlanta aren't doing the league any favors either.
Cuban, to me, is the antithesis of David Stern. That makes him good for the game. While Stern has a stick up his azz, Cuban takes that same stick and beats others over the head with it. However, Cuban perpetually puts his foot in his mouth. He said something derogatory about the Spurs' fans and their city and I felt that was uncalled for. In my mind, the Spurs have great fans and San Antonio is a nice city to visit. Indeed.
Cuban's plusses outweigh his negatives. I like his passion for his team, his unassuming dress, his visibility at the games, his candid postgame email comments, his bluntness, and so on. He is a colorful figure. Sometimes, he goes over the top, but so what. I'll take him in a heartbeat over the over-the-hill, dull and reclusive Davidson. I think he has many of the virtues of active and involved owners like Steinbrenner of the Yankees and Jerry Johnson of the Cowboys with fewer of the negatives.
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