I sooooooo desperately want to see Tay and Charlie V gone that I cant even enjoy a game anymore. Watching the pair of them on the floor is gonna lose me a tv. I was willing to allow Tay a chance to drift off into the sunset but after this crap Im done. He is almost as useless as Carlie garbage. he never seems to do anything. The offense consistently stalls when the ball hits his hands, which is as bad as the chucksters arrow brick....what is he 1-44 this preseason? On a brighter note. Andre looked good again, the rumors about a bad motor were soooooo wrong. I also like Kim English...he reminds me of a very young Joe Dumars for any of the slightly older group here that remember when he showed up. He plays defense with his feet and rarely finds himself reaching due to being out of position. He has a real steady shot and is very good at communicating on defense. I want him and middleton to make the team.if we can lose charlie and Tay this year I will be sooooo happy.