Iverson will do 'whatever it takes'

Discussion in 'Pistons and NBA' started by markie8002000, Mar 5, 2009.

  1. CloudWalker

    CloudWalker Bench Warmer

    Joined:
    Jun 15, 2006
    Messages:
    2,609
    Likes Received:
    1
    Location:
    a cave

    We can but I don't know if anyone else has.

    I don't even know if you have.

    What happened to allusions to quotes from the Georgetown doctors?

    We wouldn't even be discussing one right now without the other in all likelihood, especially in light of Chris McCosky's direct correlations, however faulty they may be.
  2. Jewelz0376

    Jewelz0376 First Round Draft Pick

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2009
    Messages:
    196
    Likes Received:
    0
    Have there been actual quotes from players saying that they hadn't heard from or seen Iverson for weeks??? I may be mistaken, but I don't really remember anything like that. For the most part it seemed like the whole organzation was just "playing" dumb for the reason of not really wanting to talk much about it .

    I find it hard to believe that once Iverson hurt his back he just vanished and the coaching staff, trainers, management players, etc.. never heard from him again. There is no way AI could get away with that. I'm sure one of the players hit AI at some point on his cell phone during his absence. Did Ai just ignore their texts/calls?? Unless you actually know every conversation AI had while he was out I don't know how you could assume he wasn't supporting his teammates. Just because he wasn't on the bench (which he shouldn't have been with a bad back).
  3. dba

    dba All-Star Moderator 1x Fantasy Champion Forum Donor

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2006
    Messages:
    4,201
    Likes Received:
    349
    Location:
    Ann Arbor/Chicago/Walland, TN
    I hear you there. It does seem like most teams issue better statements and better information than the Pistons have over this. Off the top of my head I can think of three reasons...

    - AI for whatever reason asked them to keep it quiet. If he really thought the issue was career threatening maybe he didn't want that known. Maybe because he thought it would jeopardize his next contract, maybe because he didn't want it to be a distraction to the team. Probably no way to know.

    - No one on the Pistons has been hurt in so long that the organization has forgotten how to talk about injuries. Maybe what's-his-name took all the good PR folks to Milwaukee.

    - Maybe there is some deeper issue about disagreeing with the coaching staff, etc.

    Until someone with actual knowledge (i.e., something more than reading between the lines) comes forward, we may never know.
  4. illadelph dynamite

    illadelph dynamite First Round Draft Pick

    Joined:
    Nov 9, 2008
    Messages:
    181
    Likes Received:
    0
    He obviously had enough contact to organise a night out with Sheed...
  5. Ernie the Slow Adult

    Ernie the Slow Adult All-Star Forum Donor

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2006
    Messages:
    6,695
    Likes Received:
    1,657
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Parts Unknown
    Isn't that what McClonsky is doing here? I don't see him focusing on the injury but the secret manner that is was handled here.

  6. illadelph dynamite

    illadelph dynamite First Round Draft Pick

    Joined:
    Nov 9, 2008
    Messages:
    181
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ernie that quote looks to me to be saying it was secret because it was fake
  7. CloudWalker

    CloudWalker Bench Warmer

    Joined:
    Jun 15, 2006
    Messages:
    2,609
    Likes Received:
    1
    Location:
    a cave
    He would have surely been fined.


    Good point.
  8. Ernie the Slow Adult

    Ernie the Slow Adult All-Star Forum Donor

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2006
    Messages:
    6,695
    Likes Received:
    1,657
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Parts Unknown
    The Pistons didn't and haven't had problems getting information out when Rip and Sheed were hurt. They were around is some way, shape or form while they were hurt. This isn't about AI not sitting on the bench.

    AI was said to be texting with MC while he was out. (Do I need to actually see the texts to believe this?) You (Not you individually) mean to tell me that if AI is receiving outside treatment that he had no face to face contact with the team in that time? This was reported by DetNews, Free Press & MLive.
  9. Ernie the Slow Adult

    Ernie the Slow Adult All-Star Forum Donor

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2006
    Messages:
    6,695
    Likes Received:
    1,657
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Parts Unknown
    I think the point of this piece is McClonskey's reaction to AI coming out and saying, 'How dare anyone question me'. He is saying that none of this would have happened if AI had said what he said Sunday night when he got back from the G-Town doctors instead of going away from the team doctors without notifying the team and then disappearing.
  10. CloudWalker

    CloudWalker Bench Warmer

    Joined:
    Jun 15, 2006
    Messages:
    2,609
    Likes Received:
    1
    Location:
    a cave
    Back injury vs. Groin/Calf injury.

    one of them is substantially harder to nail down than the others due to the location of the injury in question.

    We're talking about strictly muscle tears vs. what could be an issue with one or many of ligaments,nerves,muscles,tendons, or the spine itself.

    Even in this day and age it's a guessing game, one in which the wrong guess could result in a lifetime disability. It's a far cry from the land of groin and calf muscle strains.
  11. dba

    dba All-Star Moderator 1x Fantasy Champion Forum Donor

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2006
    Messages:
    4,201
    Likes Received:
    349
    Location:
    Ann Arbor/Chicago/Walland, TN
    I'm not sure that's so. There have been a lot of folks here wondering what was going on with Sheed - is it strained, is it torn, how bad, is he getting treatment, etc. There did seem to be a bit more information about Rip, though nothing specific about when he would come back, etc.

    Although I personally like the idea of the team having cut back and "right-sized" their PR department, it is also certainly possible that the team just doesn't want to release that kind of info. With the demise of the IR status, a team can play it really close to the vest about who's playing and who's not. Certainly there is some advantage in making all player decisions gametime ones, making it harder for the opposition to prepare their players. In a close playoff battle where every game counts, sneaking in Rip, without an earlier announcement might have been a good play.
  12. Ernie the Slow Adult

    Ernie the Slow Adult All-Star Forum Donor

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2006
    Messages:
    6,695
    Likes Received:
    1,657
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Parts Unknown
    It is not the type of injury that is the issue. It is not a matter of saying player X will be back in 10 days and then they come back in 20.

    The problem is the team had updates and estimates for 2 of the 3 players. The media had quotes from 2 of the 3 players at the practice facility about their injury and 2 of the 3 players were seen on TV while they were out.

    One player had the teams color commentary man say about his absence,

    COVERITLIVE.COM - Mobile
  13. Ernie the Slow Adult

    Ernie the Slow Adult All-Star Forum Donor

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2006
    Messages:
    6,695
    Likes Received:
    1,657
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Parts Unknown
    Yes, folks are wondering what is going on with Sheed's injury, but no one is really doubting if he quit on the team because he has been around and is behaving like every other Piston (minus one) who has been hurt over the years.

    When Billups got hurt in the playoffs last year Arnie Kander said he was good enough to play 2 games before he came back. During that time Billups spoke about his injury and said he couldn't play. People were speculating that CB was soft, but no one was wondering if he quit or there was something else going on.

    Again, this has nothing to do with how difficult it is to determine back injuries versus groin pulls. It is everything that happens after that.
  14. CloudWalker

    CloudWalker Bench Warmer

    Joined:
    Jun 15, 2006
    Messages:
    2,609
    Likes Received:
    1
    Location:
    a cave

    But it is the type of injury that is the issue.

    This injury is not straightforward in any sense, be it recovery timetable or best treatment options, due to the high amibiguity of the nature and extent of injury involved.

    Back injuries are not muscle strains. There are many more factors involved and it's next to impossible to pin them down with any sort of certainty.

    You want to see more quotes of people saying "I don't know", without taking into account a medical professional's natural predilection towards avoiding those three words.
  15. CloudWalker

    CloudWalker Bench Warmer

    Joined:
    Jun 15, 2006
    Messages:
    2,609
    Likes Received:
    1
    Location:
    a cave
    Yes it does.

    The determination of severity, specificity, best method of treatment, and timetable for return are far,far, more difficult in contrast.

    It's a concept that is extremely difficult to grasp unless you have been firmly embedded in either end of the diagnostic spectrum.
  16. roscoe36

    roscoe36 All-Star Administrator

    Joined:
    Jul 5, 2005
    Messages:
    20,438
    Likes Received:
    2,301
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Dagobah
    I miss these frisky debates. Ernie, Cloud, Bills, TaS. Good stuff.
  17. dba

    dba All-Star Moderator 1x Fantasy Champion Forum Donor

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2006
    Messages:
    4,201
    Likes Received:
    349
    Location:
    Ann Arbor/Chicago/Walland, TN
    CB would take any possible opportunity to talk about himself, even in contradiction of team policy.

    That was mean.

    Sorry.
  18. Ernie the Slow Adult

    Ernie the Slow Adult All-Star Forum Donor

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2006
    Messages:
    6,695
    Likes Received:
    1,657
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Parts Unknown
    C'mon. If every 3 days there was a quote from AI that said what's below without specifying what was wrong with his back none (or at least most) of this would have happened. If he said, 'I don't know what is wrong, I'll be back when I can run and move without pain........', all (or most) would be good.

    Him disappearing and being absent from the team along with his past refusal to come off the bench is what brought this on and allows doubt to be cast.

  19. illadelph dynamite

    illadelph dynamite First Round Draft Pick

    Joined:
    Nov 9, 2008
    Messages:
    181
    Likes Received:
    0
    Him disappearing (not sure this actually happened, was it only a media disappearance?) or not saying anything to the media might well be to do with the benching, maybe he wasn't ready to talk to the media about it, which is different from saying that he wasn't injured and was just refusing to play.

    The other benching and this are two different situations, one is for the good of the team, and even if AI doesn't agree with it (he would think its better for the team if he starts), he must be able to see the other side of the argument. The Philly benching was in not for the good of the team, and furthermore, it wasn't even a punishment, it was just a coach trying to throw his weight around
  20. basketbills

    basketbills All-Star Forum Donor

    Joined:
    Aug 14, 2005
    Messages:
    3,895
    Likes Received:
    1,008
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Howard Stubb's garage
    Good point. That's an important distinction.

    Ernie...that's a good quote from Kelser.

Share This Page