Joe Dumars: Madman or Genius?

Discussion in 'Pistons and NBA' started by mikhail1973, Aug 4, 2008.

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How do you rate Joe D?

  1. Genius

    10.0%
  2. Great GM

    61.1%
  3. Good GM

    20.0%
  4. Average GM

    3.3%
  5. Bad GM

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  6. Madman

    5.6%
  1. CloudWalker

    CloudWalker Bench Warmer

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    Perhaps not.

    They upgraded Evans to Pietrus.

    If they find a way to get a serviceable point guard with some size they will eventually beat us.
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    Reading comprehension would help me LOL. I didn't read the post above. I mean ATL is worse now w/ Evans. I think Pietrus is actually a pretty big upgrade for ORL. H ecan guard Rip and give him problems with his length. Rip was usually our top guy against them.

    Hopefully, Stuckey negates that advantage.
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    Don`t misunderstand me here. I am talking making it to the ECF, not winning a title. IMO, the Wiz and Philly could certainly make it that far.

    The Wiz have played the last two years without their star Mr. Arenas and Philly has greatly improved.

    If those two teams stay healthy they are definitley playoff teams and could make some noise.
  4. CloudWalker

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    Look at it this way:


    When you look at all the elite teams in the NBA going into training camp, the following two statements are usually true for both fans and observers alike:

    1. Would be surprised if they lost in the first round of the playoffs.

    2. Wouldn't be surprised if they won a Championship.

    This team is still supposedly one of the elite, yet they have those expectations completely reversed. :crazy:

    He's mad, I say.

    Maaaaaaad!
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    TaS All-Star Forum Donor

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    It's pretty good when 49 people vote in a poll about your GM abilities, and nobody votes "bad GM".
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    I find these comments about Mr. Mo "Mayhem" Evans, incendiary.
    He has earned a small cult following here and at the other places he stopped.
    He even made ESPN hilite real.
  7. CloudWalker

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    He's no Darvin Ham.

    When he was with Milwaukee, he had the absolute sickest missed free throw putback that I have ever seen.
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    If Ham was so great how come he never got to touch the ball in the pros?
    I'd take Mo any day over Ham.
  9. CloudWalker

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    The segue was about cult followings, not who you would pick for a scrimmage game.
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    I picked madman because...

    1. Threatened to trade all starters for not making the finals.
    2. Hired a rookie coach.
    3. Drafted a guy with narcolepsy.
    4. Signed Kwame Brown.
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    he's pretty darn good. he's made his fair share of blunders. he's made some excellent moves. his hype is a little better than his performance, but that ain't a knock on him. Stuckey may make him a lit better.
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    I was torn between good and great.I was thinking very good. But then I really couldn't think of anyone who has done better, so I went with great.:)
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    Dude in Portland is at the point where other GMs that make deals with him need to be fired.

    Pritch is undoubtedly better than Joe D at this point.
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    We could come up with a handful who are arguably the very best. But with over thirty teams, I consider the top 5 great. Dumars has proven he is at the top.
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    Pretty compelling. Joe's lucky I voted before I saw that.
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    Indeed. Can I rescind my vote?


    Mr. Subliminal: I hate it when Nemo's right! ;^)
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    Yep instead of trading the starters he opted to re-tool the roster with the additions of Bynum, Brown and Sharpe.

    I feel that nothing is standing in the way of that NBA trophy now.
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    CW, I don't know that Ham smashed any glass in the pros. They probably told him, if he did he's out of the league. And he acquiescence. So all his cult died of neglect.
    Mo wins.
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    His nickname is just Mo.

    I guess because "Wichita Nasty" would have sucked.

    There is no such thing as a "Evans Slamwich".

    I rest my case.
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    Joe has been incredibly lucky in his early years.

    In the summer of 2000 he did give Grant Hill an offer sheet for a max deal. That was his 1st priority and it may have ended there. I am pretty sure we would not have had the cap space to sign Ben Wallace. Maybe we would have I don't know. Point is he made an offer to G. Hill 1st and only after Hill turned it down was when he worked out a sign/trade for Ben Wallace. It was not a stroke of geneious but rather dumb luck that made that trade happen. I do give him credit for seeing Ben but Hill was his 1st priority not Ben.

    In the Summer of 2001 he offered Chris Webber a max contract. Had Webber accepted then I am sure we can all appreciate the ramifications of that.

    Now they were both good decisions at the time. You lock up your 27 year old superstar with what it takes and C.Webb was the high profile FA of 2001. There was no way for anyone to know that they would both be hobbled with career altering injuries.

    However if he had gotten what he wanted then instead of winning a title we probably would have spent the early part of this decade as mediocre team due to half of the cap being allocated to Hill and Webber.

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